Fantastic matchups again can't wait for the rematches and to see what play GG brings, they should beat AA and Wolfs but as with last week there games are very different in level of play.
After this weekend SK might actualy lead these groups, rather intresting.
On February 16 2013 23:20 Don_Julio wrote: No Fnatic this week makes me sad.
No fnatic this week makes me glad, actually. Maybe they'll finally get their shit together and improve their game.
Don't think we'll get many upsets this week - Giants vs GG and SK vs EG should have warned the "big" teams. The only match I'd give the "underdog" a good chance is DB vs EG - if SK can't beat EG a second time, they'll probably lose their momentum, and DB pulling out something very funky might throw them completely off track
On February 16 2013 23:20 Don_Julio wrote: No Fnatic this week makes me sad.
No fnatic this week makes me glad, actually. Maybe they'll finally get their shit together and improve their game.
Don't think we'll get many upsets this week - Giants vs GG and SK vs EG should have warned the "big" teams. The only match I'd give the "underdog" a good chance is DB vs EG - if SK can't beat EG a second time, they'll probably lose their momentum, and DB pulling out something very funky might throw them completely off track
I want soaz to be great again ;_; he's dissapointed me so much recently but he and cptjack are the two that got me into LoL I hope this week off will allow him to get it together.
On February 16 2013 23:20 Don_Julio wrote: No Fnatic this week makes me sad.
No fnatic this week makes me glad, actually. Maybe they'll finally get their shit together and improve their game.
Don't think we'll get many upsets this week - Giants vs GG and SK vs EG should have warned the "big" teams. The only match I'd give the "underdog" a good chance is DB vs EG - if SK can't beat EG a second time, they'll probably lose their momentum, and DB pulling out something very funky might throw them completely off track
I want soaz to be great again ;_; he's dissapointed me so much recently but he and cptjack are the two that got me into LoL I hope this week off will allow him to get it together.
Yeah, same. He already looked really weak at Katowice, and even more so at the qualifiers. Hope he can break out of his slump soon, or fnatic might find themselves in the same situation as fort the most part of S2 :/
On February 17 2013 02:20 Amethyst21 wrote: I saw Froggen play Kayle earlier in the week and he was saying something like "Kayle is both an AP and AD carry, so broken"
So I'm not suprised if Kayle is for Froggen
Kayle's so flexible she can go top/mid/jungle -- my guess is they'll give Froggen Kayle unless DB has a mid lane that counters her; they'd have to pick a jungle that can go in either role though
On February 17 2013 02:20 Amethyst21 wrote: I saw Froggen play Kayle earlier in the week and he was saying something like "Kayle is both an AP and AD carry, so broken"
So I'm not suprised if Kayle is for Froggen
Kayle's so flexible she can go top/mid/jungle -- my guess is they'll give Froggen Kayle unless DB has a mid lane that counters her; they'd have to pick a jungle that can go in either role though
DB banning froggen then taking away the kayle akali combo. I thing EG will loose this, i dont like their team one bit
I think EG takes the first match, but Dragonborne can throw a wrench in the EG machinery. SK should take down Wolves quite easy. Gambit should defeat AAA. I think SK takes down EG again but its a really close match will be awesome to watch
Krepo farming hard to prevent DB from completely devastating botlane. He also needs some health or Leona/Draven will kill him instantly every time in mid/lategame
EG seems ahead on EXP in top, mid and jungle. Might pay off hugely if a dragon fight were to come. Akali also not quite a danger to Wickd or Froggen yet, so EG could go for it.
Akali can't take on Renekton (I don't understand why anyone would bother playing her anyway. She doesn't suit the current playstyles where Bruisers can do equal damage with less items while being more tanky), mid is gone and Kayle is unharmed, and Draven/Leona lost to Varus/Sona in a 2v2....
On February 17 2013 02:39 DragoonTT wrote: This game is over. DB just lost every lane
Akali can't take on Renekton (I don't understand why anyone would bother playing her anyway. She doesn't suit the current playstyles where Bruisers can do equal damage with less items while being more tanky), mid is gone and Kayle is unharmed, and Draven/Leona lost to Varus/Sona in a 2v2....
akali is op now dude. youre gonna see her alot more now than before when ppl realize how good she is.
On February 17 2013 02:52 Mensol wrote: wickd has been playing much better than last season. he improved his champ pool too.
Wickd has been playing Renekton since he was released, and broke him into the scene for the brief period he was considered viable during S2 along with Youngbuck. Don't think we can say anything about his champ pool yet - his Akali games didn't look too sharp (lost lane both times, only got back the first time due to getting free kills and got stomped by SK).
How does EG have "OP teamfight" when DB consistently engages without ultimates and with fewer people?
They keep picking useless fights and feeding kills to Froggen. They don't have anyone that can 1v1 Kayle, and they should know.
Akali is a great solo queue champion, i'm pretty unconvinced that she will be a fixture in competitive play - she has too many bad lanes and when she gets behind, she can be next to useless (the current tanky meta doesn't help her either, she needs to blow people up and its hard against warmogs)
On February 17 2013 02:54 DragoonTT wrote: Wickd has been playing Renekton since he was released, and broke him into the scene for the brief period he was considered viable during S2 along with Youngbuck. Don't think we can say anything about his champ pool yet - his Akali games didn't look too sharp (lost lane both times, only got back the first time due to getting free kills and got stomped by SK).
I'll agree about his game about SK but did you watch the game vs Copenhagen wolves at all? Wickd built a 50+ cs lead before he got his first kill or assist. Which result does he need to achieve for you to consider he didn't lose lane?
What happened to twitch, I must have missed something because he went from the laughing stock of adcs to suddenly being the terror of frost and ban worthy out of nowhere.
On February 17 2013 03:31 Fusilero wrote: What happened to twitch, I must have missed something because he went from the laughing stock of adcs to suddenly being the terror of frost and ban worthy out of nowhere.
he's been this good since his remake, it just took this many nerfs to mobile adcs for pros to try others
On February 17 2013 03:31 Fusilero wrote: What happened to twitch, I must have missed something because he went from the laughing stock of adcs to suddenly being the terror of frost and ban worthy out of nowhere.
His rework last summer made him a very legit adc. But pros were playing mostly graves/ez/corki back then so I guess they were not concerned about trying twitch back then. I still guess people in soloQ that are not aware that twitch is a adc.
On February 17 2013 03:31 Fusilero wrote: What happened to twitch, I must have missed something because he went from the laughing stock of adcs to suddenly being the terror of frost and ban worthy out of nowhere.
With AD carries losing some of their late game potential due to nerfs to AD items, early/midgame carries become more useful. Twitch bullies his lane really hard and pushes well, and also has good teamfight presence midgame. He falls off lategame imo (Poison, Expunge get more useless the more HP the enemy has) and relies on perfect conditions for his ult (meaning he gets chunked in the League of lategame-carrying Bruisers) but until that point, many games are already decided and Twitch can help get teams there.
Also, many teams aren't fully familiar to playing against him (e.g. having pink wards around for teamfights, never wandering off alone to farm a lane without pinks etc.) so they'd rather ban him.
every game have started with a pause... want more aggressive games with lots and lots of kills (I guess gambit will show how its done (I hope at least))
Junglers should probably attack SK's botlane more instead of camping Ocelote all the time. He's playing Kassadin AND he's used to being camped in tournaments every game, all the while CandyPanda and Nyph wreck TheTess and Deficio
On February 17 2013 03:54 nxk wrote: Wow, nice plays CW!
Yeah, that was a series of great plays. Hyrqbot getting caught out was pretty stupid for SK, but from then on, CW perfectly abused SK's bad map position and made huge profits. SK maybe overstayed their welcome midlane, but then, they had to score some kind of comeback
Damn I love Nyph's play. Sooo good, especially since he was reunited with CandyPanda
On February 17 2013 04:09 nxk wrote: What's the logic for the Caitlyn build? To me Caitlyn seems perfect for the standard IE->SS/PD build
she was getting poked in lane by nyph and went for a early vamp. they wanted the mid game pressure so i guess when she backed she had enough for BT and not IE. I dont understand the LW over PD though, they have so little armor items
On February 17 2013 04:09 nxk wrote: What's the logic for the Caitlyn build? To me Caitlyn seems perfect for the standard IE->SS/PD build
I don't get the early LW either (maybe that's what he could afford at that point) but she pretty much needs the BT to survive if Kassadin, J4 and Renekton jump her
SK is bleeding gold all over the map. They need to take a fight, or they'll fall even further behind
That Crescendo, holy crap. Waited for Kayle to arrive, CC'ed immediately, forced all the defensive ults and killed her anyway - I don't think Cowtard even attacked once
On February 17 2013 04:26 nxk wrote: And the BT build bites Caitlyn now, the Sona ult didn't hit her, she was autoattacking the entire time and couldn't kill anyone...
She was auto attacking renekton no shit she's not gonna kill anyone
Someone actually got a GA. I think that is the first one I have seen in a pro game since S3 started (haven't seen that many games, to be fair, but still).
On February 17 2013 04:30 TheSinisterRed wrote: Someone actually got a GA. I think that is the first one I have seen in a pro game since S3 started (haven't seen that many games, to be fair, but still).
I remember a LCS game that was won because the team had like 4 GA
On February 17 2013 04:36 nxk wrote: Also, with Bjergsen CW hopefully can do much better, Kayle was very unconvincing throughout the game indeed.
CowTard has been incredibly unimpressive from what I've seen, how was he during the qualifiers because right now all I'm seeing is bjergsen needs to hit 17 soon.
On February 17 2013 04:36 nxk wrote: Also, with Bjergsen CW hopefully can do much better, Kayle was very unconvincing throughout the game indeed.
CowTard has been incredibly unimpressive from what I've seen, how was he during the qualifiers because right now all I'm seeing is bjergsen needs to hit 17 soon.
Bjergsen will play next week. Just give him nidalee and he will make the plays.
On February 17 2013 04:36 nxk wrote: Also, with Bjergsen CW hopefully can do much better, Kayle was very unconvincing throughout the game indeed.
CowTard has been incredibly unimpressive from what I've seen, how was he during the qualifiers because right now all I'm seeing is bjergsen needs to hit 17 soon.
He did very well, also CowTard get's all the flame but fact is alot of the team got cough often and the entire team did not play well in team fights, really it's not just CowTard. It's easy to bash a sub right. With Bjergsen they will lose just like they did today if the team fights like against SK.
On February 17 2013 04:36 nxk wrote: Also, with Bjergsen CW hopefully can do much better, Kayle was very unconvincing throughout the game indeed.
CowTard has been incredibly unimpressive from what I've seen, how was he during the qualifiers because right now all I'm seeing is bjergsen needs to hit 17 soon.
He did very well, also CowTard get's all the flame but fact is alot of the team got cough often and the entire team did not play that well not just CowTard. It's easy to bash a sub right. With Bjergsen they will lose just like they did today if the team fights like against SK.
Tbh all of wolves hasn't looked that good but for some reason cowtard has been sticking out probably due to not being bjergsen, I'm starting to now consider whether they just relied on bjergsen for everything as I swore they are better. When he comes back can he also get an easier name to memorise pls I keep double taking when I type it out.
On February 17 2013 04:36 nxk wrote: Also, with Bjergsen CW hopefully can do much better, Kayle was very unconvincing throughout the game indeed.
CowTard has been incredibly unimpressive from what I've seen, how was he during the qualifiers because right now all I'm seeing is bjergsen needs to hit 17 soon.
He did very well, also CowTard get's all the flame but fact is alot of the team got cough often and the entire team did not play that well not just CowTard. It's easy to bash a sub right. With Bjergsen they will lose just like they did today if the team fights like against SK.
Tbh all of wolves hasn't looked that good but for some reason cowtard has been sticking out probably due to not being bjergsen, I'm starting to now consider whether they just relied on bjergsen for everything as I swore they are better. When he comes back can he also get an easier name to memorise pls I keep double taking when I type it out.
Yes, the tess was very bad positioned all game around, lost lane hard and didnt do much mid and late game
Twitch decides to shit on me right before the match start. Because you don't need to see it, right? You've already got your fix with the 25 minutes delay.
How did Gambit take the dragon? I missed it with the freezes, just saw they got it. :/
was doing something else, came back, saw kennen, assumed it was GIants for a good 5 min....
On February 17 2013 05:18 Fusilero wrote: Man GG are all about the hyper early dragons this lcs. Doran blade, is it actually an ad kennen at top?
no, back when ap kennen mid/top was popular you would go dblades for lane strength instead of rings because the mp5 portion of the ring was worthless and you could make use of all the stats on the dblades.
0K. Sona flashing BEHIND her team screws them over. Shen ulting Graves instead of Sona condemned her. Shen going back in was a suicide since Karthus was able to finish him off after he flashed away.
Now Shen misses taunt on a stunned Kha'Zix. aAa are so sloppy, they're going for cute tricks that gave them an almost gold lead but as the game goes on I expect them to crumble if they don't improve those "little" things.
On February 17 2013 05:43 nafta wrote: Diamond actually maxing w instead of q second.That's pretty weird.
yea I don't know what to say about this, because you can't proc denting blows on unshreddale targets (towers/dragon/baron) there is pretty much no benefit to maxing this 2nd (1% max health per level is a pretty weak reward compared to the damage and cd on q)
On February 17 2013 05:43 nafta wrote: Diamond actually maxing w instead of q second.That's pretty weird.
Once they're in, they expect to be all-in. aAa runs from the fights, and turtles, so getting to use Q more often doesn't bring a lot more to him. Dealing more damage faster once he gets to reach a target? That's more interesting.
On February 17 2013 05:55 nxk wrote: Bruiser Kha'Zix, interesting indeed. Seems to be working
Of course, he's been retardedly good at dps like that since release, but Riot insisted that he was an assassin relying on burst.
Ehhhhhhh, I disagree, He was only doing decent damage against squishies. It was decent build for the team comp Gambit had though, considering they already had Karthus for the damages; so having a tankier bruiser build was probably the best bet.
On February 17 2013 05:55 nxk wrote: Bruiser Kha'Zix, interesting indeed. Seems to be working
Of course, he's been retardedly good at dps like that since release, but Riot insisted that he was an assassin relying on burst.
Ehhhhhhh, I disagree, He was only doing decent damage against squishies. It was decent build for the team comp Gambit had though, considering they already had Karthus for the damages; so having a tankier bruiser build was probably the best bet.
Why would you pick khazix if you want a tanky bruiser though.It doesn't really seem optimal.
On February 17 2013 05:58 Slusher wrote: I mean I guess they did better than MRN vs Dig...
MRN farmed cs better then AAA. mid and top was so far behind in cs its silly. there is a difference between the top teams and the rest
But this was kind of the first of the low tier team in EU that sucked really hard. Maybe Giants will be able to break into the top4, although I kind of doubt it.
On February 17 2013 05:55 nxk wrote: Bruiser Kha'Zix, interesting indeed. Seems to be working
Of course, he's been retardedly good at dps like that since release, but Riot insisted that he was an assassin relying on burst.
Ehhhhhhh, I disagree, He was only doing decent damage against squishies. It was decent build for the team comp Gambit had though, considering they already had Karthus for the damages; so having a tankier bruiser build was probably the best bet.
Why would you pick khazix if you want a tanky bruiser though.It doesn't really seem optimal.
pick someone tanky enough with great damage. it could also be that Darien is comfortable on khazix rather then someone else
On February 17 2013 05:55 nxk wrote: Bruiser Kha'Zix, interesting indeed. Seems to be working
Of course, he's been retardedly good at dps like that since release, but Riot insisted that he was an assassin relying on burst.
Ehhhhhhh, I disagree, He was only doing decent damage against squishies. It was decent build for the team comp Gambit had though, considering they already had Karthus for the damages; so having a tankier bruiser build was probably the best bet.
Why would you pick khazix if you want a tanky bruiser though.It doesn't really seem optimal.
pick someone tanky enough with great damage. it could also be that Darien is comfortable on khazix rather then someone else
Alex just said that darien wasn't comfortable on khazix lol.
On February 17 2013 05:58 Slusher wrote: I mean I guess they did better than MRN vs Dig...
MRN farmed cs better then AAA. mid and top was so far behind in cs its silly. there is a difference between the top teams and the rest
But this was kind of the first of the low tier games in EU that sucked really hard. Maybe Giants will be able to break into the top4, although I kind of doubt it.
Indeed. DB vs EG was a really nice game and GIANTS did beat GG. CW will step it up next week when they get bjergsen. Also, there is no 5 0 team in EU LCS which kinda brings some more excitement to the competition.
On February 17 2013 05:58 Slusher wrote: I mean I guess they did better than MRN vs Dig...
MRN farmed cs better then AAA. mid and top was so far behind in cs its silly. there is a difference between the top teams and the rest
But this was kind of the first of the low tier games in EU that sucked really hard. Maybe Giants will be able to break into the top4, although I kind of doubt it.
I think EU is alot closer then the us scene for example. Especially Giants is impressive imo. Copenhagen Wolves looked better then AAA but they still haven't won a game so not good enough I guess. Dragonborns looked better then AAA but lost, surely all of these teams can pull upsets but they need to step it up a little bit, AAA need to step i up alot
On February 17 2013 05:55 nxk wrote: Bruiser Kha'Zix, interesting indeed. Seems to be working
Of course, he's been retardedly good at dps like that since release, but Riot insisted that he was an assassin relying on burst.
Ehhhhhhh, I disagree, He was only doing decent damage against squishies. It was decent build for the team comp Gambit had though, considering they already had Karthus for the damages; so having a tankier bruiser build was probably the best bet.
Why would you pick khazix if you want a tanky bruiser though.It doesn't really seem optimal.
It's a contingency plan, just in case Alex didn't get farmed. He could have easily chose to build BT/Manamura instead. But after how game played out TF/Warmogs ended up being okay.
oh for sure the EU lcs has been more competitive, that being said I think the 5-0 aspect of CRS helps the NA LCS because we all knew who the top 4 would be, the fact that it is the new guard makes it better at least? I don't know at least for me, but then I predicted CRS was strong so ofc I like it. I feel like if one of the former troika was 5-0 it would just be old news.
On February 17 2013 05:43 nafta wrote: Diamond actually maxing w instead of q second.That's pretty weird.
yea I don't know what to say about this, because you can't proc denting blows on unshreddale targets (towers/dragon/baron) there is pretty much no benefit to maxing this 2nd (1% max health per level is a pretty weak reward compared to the damage and cd on q)
that's not entirely true iirc. You can apply denting blows on Dragon/Baron but it wont reduce their armor and the damage is capped at 300.
On February 17 2013 06:10 Slusher wrote: oh for sure the EU lcs has been more competitive, that being said I think the 5-0 aspect of CRS helps the NA LCS because we all knew who the top 4 would be, the fact that it is the new guard makes it better at least? I don't know at least for me, but then I predicted CRS was strong so ofc I like it. I feel like if one of the former troika was 5-0 it would just be old news.
Yes, CLG/TSM being 5 0 would be old news but I think most people expected curse or CLG to be the best NA team since the qualifiers.
On February 17 2013 05:43 nafta wrote: Diamond actually maxing w instead of q second.That's pretty weird.
yea I don't know what to say about this, because you can't proc denting blows on unshreddale targets (towers/dragon/baron) there is pretty much no benefit to maxing this 2nd (1% max health per level is a pretty weak reward compared to the damage and cd on q)
that's not entirely true iirc. You can apply denting blows on Dragon/Baron but it wont reduce their armor and the damage is capped at 300.
I don't think you can proc the aspd on baron like if you can it's changed because I'm sure the last time I did baron on Vi it does not stack.
On February 17 2013 06:41 little fancy wrote: Where's Snoopeh? Feels like he has no real presence this game.
That's like most eg games honestly lol.
No, it depends on his champion pick. Maokai's not someone that can force much to happen when the other jungler is a XinZhao. He tried a few things, but EG's winning all lanes in CS, so it's almost always pushed pretty far.
On February 17 2013 06:50 little fancy wrote: Why would Froggen not try to blindly steal the drake with his ult? With Wickd top, they weren't to fight any time soon.
On February 17 2013 07:05 nxk wrote: I dislike the BO1 format, it's more important to not lose than to win and we get so much passive play
Don't think it's the Bo1 format since there's games aren't as important as they seem. I think they play each other something like 4 times so losing 1 game isn't actually as impactful as it looks like. Playstyle is just passive that's all.
On February 17 2013 07:05 rhs408 wrote: Just noticed taric maxed heal over shatter?! Is that new meta?
Varus/sona is a superior lane in the early levels and he just maxed it so they don't get raped I guess.Barrier on varus certainly is better than cleanse in lane as well which makes it even harder.
On February 17 2013 07:09 Alaric wrote: Ocelote does absolutely nothing with his spears.
To make it even worse, that Nidalee pick doesn't seem to pay off. I'm not a big fan of AP Nid (and I hate in with the passion of a thousand burning sun when someone wants it in solo queue...) and even more so, if it doesn't fit the team comp. Twitch rather wants someone sitting between him and Renekton cc'ing the shit out of any enemy divers. Not 'silly one spear every six seconds' Nidalee.
On February 17 2013 07:05 rhs408 wrote: Just noticed taric maxed heal over shatter?! Is that new meta?
Varus/sona is a superior lane in the early levels and he just maxed it so they don't get raped I guess.Barrier on varus certainly is better than cleanse in lane as well which makes it even harder.
Varus Sona is also 90% magic damage for the longest time. Armor aura not that usefull in this scenario.
This is why i hate EG games. there playing so passive. This game should be exciting and a clash between 2 good teams, instead im struggling to not fall asleep.
On February 17 2013 07:15 nxk wrote: Yeah 6 item AP nid is better than 6 item Lux surely...
It depends entirely on the comp and how you're playing the game. Nidalee has no CC at all and only aoe in her cougar form. Once a fight actually breaks out she's too squishy(AP) to get in there and so all she can do is sit back and throw a few spears and heal. Compare that with Lux who can CC with her binding and aoe the whole team down if they clump up and you can see that in a group battle Lux is still stronger late. Edit: I forget to mention that Nidalee can be amazing in poke comps where you plan to siege and disengage from every fight. But SK didn't build a comp that was capable of doing that - in fact they dived INTO the last battle??!
Due to some recent and unfortunate events, Kasper "TheTess" Poulsen will be unavailable for tonights games. He will be replaced by german superstar ForellenLord who in the very last minute has agreed to help out our team.
This also means that our first match has been postponed and we will be taking on Gambit Gaming at 19:00. So please tune in and support our Wolves!
holy shit
TheTess 4 minutes ago ForellenLord will be subbing for me in tonight's LCS games againts Gambit and GIANTS, since I've got some physical pain from getting mugged this morning that won't allow me to focus on playing. ForellenLord is however a very good player and will hopefully do well with the team.
Day 1 recap perfectly shows how bland yesterday's games were. Hope it'll be better today, though with the troubles Wolves are in, their games will probably be...lacking.
On February 18 2013 02:15 TigerKarl wrote: Hopefully they can solve their abysmal stream problems from last week. twitch seems shaky for me, youtube good so far.
I had no problems yesterday. Today all fine as well so far.
I think twitch has some overall problems.Like most streams lag for me on twitch but work perfectly on youtube.When it works exactly the same way in 1080 and 240 or w/e you know there is something wrong .
Why do they consider TF a ban against Froggen? He played TF once and looked way out of his comfort zone. Get rid of Kayle and maybe Anivia if you want to run many melees...
Please take Renekton and Xin Zhao, Giants. Don't let Wickd get Renekton.
Oh dear EG going to get something very close to their dream comp
Interesting, they run Kayle jungle, TF mid over XZ jungle, Kayle mid? Sona/Varus going to do very mean things to Zyra/Kog'Maw. EG might want to swap, though - Elise is probably the only champ who can beat Renekton 1v1 and be of use later in the game.
Koggles will have problems. As soon as TF hits 6, they'll gank him non-stop, and Renekton makes him useless mid/lategame
On February 18 2013 02:25 Amethyst21 wrote: That is some heavy AP from GIANTS, I'm not sure I love their teamcomp, though EG doesn't really have a way to get to Kog
errr Renekton? Thats usually a quite good diver. Not sure how the lanes will play out, it will be interesting to see.
On February 18 2013 02:27 Redox wrote: I feel like EG should pressure the bot lane and trust in Wickd to survive alone on top.
Wickd will have a field day. Renekton is insanely good at farming under tower, basically invincible as long as they push on him. And as soon as he hits 6, he'll pop ult, walk up to Kog'Maw and kill him in seconds.
The invade set him back, though. So much damage on the tower before Renekton can get to the level where he can clear creep waves quickly.
Of course EG isn't rotating. Varus/Sona > Kog/Zyra and Renekton should get the tower against Elise fairly easily. Also, if EG sent their duo top, dragon is gone.
Giants will need to put up a very, very long defense now. TF/Varus rule the midgame, and Renekton is, well, Renekton. Kog'Maw and Ryze will need a lot of time to get as effective as their counterparts, and Elise has catching up to do. And even then, there's still Kayle to care about.
Expect EG to take all objectives and ward up the map.
This is very probably game. Major bad call by Giants, there was no way they could take that dragon or win the teamfight against that comp. I'll be back for game 2, so in about half an hour when EG finally pushes for the win.
Oh, and can anyone explain why you would run Kog'Maw in the current metagame? I've seen so many Kogs lately and they rarely succeed. Sure, he shreds HP, but there's too much HP going around to kill people before they kill you.
EG doing their usual of taking advantages and winning trades until they eventually strangle their opposition. Gonna be hard for Kog to get big enough to carry this through.
On February 18 2013 02:59 sinii wrote: Wonder if teams will start to target ban Wikd's Renekton. It's a tough one because then you potentially have to deal with Froggen on Anivia or Lux.
Teams need more bans vs EG! :p
I thought Renekton was starting to be at the point where it's going to just be a standard ban, seems like the most popular solo top atm.
EG is playing really really well... but it's soooooooo boring to watch. The 2v1 thing teams seem to be going for makes for some really passive and boring games!
I can't believe people are blaming EG for being "boring". It's not their fault the opponent gave them no challenge - and also League in general is hard to finish off from a lead, all teams say this. Why play bad and risk the other team coming back?
not sure why everyone is whining about this game being boring. Obviously it was pretty one-sided after the first teamfight, but what else do you expect from a 10 - 0 stomp where one side is 15k ahead at the end?
Frankly jimbo on Kog'maw was disappointing to watch, he is such a fun player on kennen, but his Kog'maw failed :/
On February 18 2013 02:59 sinii wrote: Wonder if teams will start to target ban Wikd's Renekton. It's a tough one because then you potentially have to deal with Froggen on Anivia or Lux.
Teams need more bans vs EG! :p
I thought Renekton was starting to be at the point where it's going to just be a standard ban, seems like the most popular solo top atm.
This, pretty much. Since Olaf got nerfed (and he needed it!) Renekton is, hands down, the best top-lane champion. He's basically Olaf with better sustain, better defenses and a little lower overall damage output. Oh, and he takes way less skill to play (no skill shots, even more unkillable, easy-to-use movement skill, little resource management).
This game was decided in picks/bans already - few teams can pull off teamcomps as squishy as the one Giants was running, and surely not against Kayle and Renekton. I don't understand Giants' thought process for their picks at all.
What's very interesting is how early game (MF, Twitch) and utility (Varus!, Ashe?) AD carries take over more and more. This game came down to a single Varus ult (dragon fight, got all five - range is INSANE, never thought it would be that big) that decided the game at minute 15, the rest was EG slowly grinding out the win
On February 18 2013 03:05 Klive5ive wrote: I can't believe people are blaming EG for being "boring". It's not their fault the opponent gave them no challenge - and also League in general is hard to finish off from a lead, all teams say this. Why play bad and risk the other team coming back?
It is not only this game, I honestly can't remember a single exciting EG game.
On February 18 2013 02:59 sinii wrote: Wonder if teams will start to target ban Wikd's Renekton. It's a tough one because then you potentially have to deal with Froggen on Anivia or Lux.
Teams need more bans vs EG! :p
I thought Renekton was starting to be at the point where it's going to just be a standard ban, seems like the most popular solo top atm.
I don't play top but if I'm forced to in in soloQ I play Renekton for sure. He's just fail safe and all you need to do is build a shit ton of hp and then jump in with ulti, press random buttons and I'm atleast decently useful. If I play Olaf for example I actually have to know my limit (which I dont).
On February 18 2013 02:59 sinii wrote: Wonder if teams will start to target ban Wikd's Renekton. It's a tough one because then you potentially have to deal with Froggen on Anivia or Lux.
Teams need more bans vs EG! :p
I thought Renekton was starting to be at the point where it's going to just be a standard ban, seems like the most popular solo top atm.
This, pretty much. Since Olaf got nerfed (and he needed it!) Renekton is, hands down, the best top-lane champion. He's basically Olaf with better sustain, better defenses and a little lower overall damage output. Oh, and he takes way less skill to play.
This game was decided in picks/bans already - few teams can pull off teamcomps as squishy as the one Giants was running, and surely not against Kayle and Renekton.
It's interesting though because then it leaves something like Shen open. Aniviva being a 100% must ban vs EG is pretty powerful I'm not sure any other team has the same kind of priority ban needed. I think it gives EG an advantage before the game even starts.
On February 18 2013 02:59 sinii wrote: Wonder if teams will start to target ban Wikd's Renekton. It's a tough one because then you potentially have to deal with Froggen on Anivia or Lux.
Teams need more bans vs EG! :p
I thought Renekton was starting to be at the point where it's going to just be a standard ban, seems like the most popular solo top atm.
This, pretty much. Since Olaf got nerfed (and he needed it!) Renekton is, hands down, the best top-lane champion. He's basically Olaf with better sustain, better defenses and a little lower overall damage output. Oh, and he takes way less skill to play.
This game was decided in picks/bans already - few teams can pull off teamcomps as squishy as the one Giants was running, and surely not against Kayle and Renekton.
It's interesting though because then it leaves something like Shen open. Aniviva being a 100% must ban vs EG is pretty powerful I'm not sure any other team has the same kind of priority ban needed. I think it gives EG an advantage before the game even starts.
On February 18 2013 03:05 Klive5ive wrote: I can't believe people are blaming EG for being "boring". It's not their fault the opponent gave them no challenge - and also League in general is hard to finish off from a lead, all teams say this. Why play bad and risk the other team coming back?
It is not only this game, I honestly can't remember a single exciting EG game.
Then you have not watched many. For example CLG.eu vs WE at IPL5 (game 2) was one of the most exciting games in LoL history.
On February 18 2013 02:59 sinii wrote: Wonder if teams will start to target ban Wikd's Renekton. It's a tough one because then you potentially have to deal with Froggen on Anivia or Lux.
Teams need more bans vs EG! :p
I thought Renekton was starting to be at the point where it's going to just be a standard ban, seems like the most popular solo top atm.
This, pretty much. Since Olaf got nerfed (and he needed it!) Renekton is, hands down, the best top-lane champion. He's basically Olaf with better sustain, better defenses and a little lower overall damage output. Oh, and he takes way less skill to play.
This game was decided in picks/bans already - few teams can pull off teamcomps as squishy as the one Giants was running, and surely not against Kayle and Renekton.
It's interesting though because then it leaves something like Shen open. Aniviva being a 100% must ban vs EG is pretty powerful I'm not sure any other team has the same kind of priority ban needed. I think it gives EG an advantage before the game even starts.
I think people fear Froggen too much. Yes, he is the best Anivia player in Europe, possibly the world - but unless you pick champs hard-countered by Anivia (hi GG!), she not all that powerful in the current metagame, dominated by health-stacking, gap-closing bruisers. S3 unbalanced the (only allegedly stale - people just shied away from innovation too much) game to a point where I'd rather ban standard OP picks than fairly standard non-OP champs. The only exception would be non-standard picks against players with standout performances (AD Kennen vs Jimbo, Fizz vs Tabzz/Bjergsen etc.)
On February 18 2013 03:05 Klive5ive wrote: I can't believe people are blaming EG for being "boring". It's not their fault the opponent gave them no challenge - and also League in general is hard to finish off from a lead, all teams say this. Why play bad and risk the other team coming back?
It is not only this game, I honestly can't remember a single exciting EG game.
Then you have not watched many. For example CLG.eu vs WE at IPL5 (game 2) was one of the most exciting games in LoL history.
I watched that game, and I only found it exciting because they had to restart it thrice. I mean how is a game exciting where they have to cheer when they kill wards?
On February 18 2013 03:05 Klive5ive wrote: I can't believe people are blaming EG for being "boring". It's not their fault the opponent gave them no challenge - and also League in general is hard to finish off from a lead, all teams say this. Why play bad and risk the other team coming back?
It is not only this game, I honestly can't remember a single exciting EG game.
Then you have not watched many. For example CLG.eu vs WE at IPL5 (game 2) was one of the most exciting games in LoL history.
I watched that game, and I only found it exciting because they had to restart it thrice. I mean how is a game exciting where they have to cheer when they kill wards?
No that's world finals, IPL5 CLG.EU vs WE was where caomei backdoored on rengar 24/7.
On February 18 2013 03:05 Klive5ive wrote: I can't believe people are blaming EG for being "boring". It's not their fault the opponent gave them no challenge - and also League in general is hard to finish off from a lead, all teams say this. Why play bad and risk the other team coming back?
It is not only this game, I honestly can't remember a single exciting EG game.
Then you have not watched many. For example CLG.eu vs WE at IPL5 (game 2) was one of the most exciting games in LoL history.
I watched that game, and I only found it exciting because they had to restart it thrice. I mean how is a game exciting where they have to cheer when they kill wards?
No that's world finals, IPL5 CLG.EU vs WE was where caomei backdoored on rengar 24/7.
On February 18 2013 03:05 Klive5ive wrote: I can't believe people are blaming EG for being "boring". It's not their fault the opponent gave them no challenge - and also League in general is hard to finish off from a lead, all teams say this. Why play bad and risk the other team coming back?
It is not only this game, I honestly can't remember a single exciting EG game.
Then you have not watched many. For example CLG.eu vs WE at IPL5 (game 2) was one of the most exciting games in LoL history.
I watched that game, and I only found it exciting because they had to restart it thrice. I mean how is a game exciting where they have to cheer when they kill wards?
No that's world finals, IPL5 CLG.EU vs WE was where caomei backdoored on rengar 24/7.
Whoops, ok didn't watch that game.
It pretty much single handedly started the nerf rango campaign.
On February 18 2013 04:02 Redox wrote: Also Shushei needs to hit soemthing if this is supposed to work.
That is true. His lux play has been really mediocre this game. He just spams his spells instead of actually looking for pickoffs. Zero patience in his play
On February 18 2013 04:17 Sermokala wrote: He didn't even need to flash there the hec doesn't have any damage and he can easily sustain anything hec can do to him.
Hec's team was a screen behind, and Draven had double or triple buff. No reason to risk giving SK a way back into the game.
On February 18 2013 04:34 GregMandel wrote: Just watched Sk vs DB, what a game
really liked the draven/taric bot lane And yeah that snipe was pretty sexy, like 2 people dissapeared instantly and everything crumbled for SK
And I really liked Deman's casting also :D
Yeah and the lane swap was really clever too. Draven is such a badass duelist, but he does lack in teamfights and siegeing towers. The lull in mid game was due to them not really knowing what how to continue, kind of running out of ideas. What they should of done imo (and this is kind of what they were doing when it exploded) was put Draven up top to completely bully Shen and then Darius could come down and make a difference mid.
God this Gambit comp looks awful at first sight. Guess Volibear is ok-ish at defending Koggles, but Vlad and Kass sure aren't. If these teams were playing on an equal level, I'd give the game to Wolves every game. However, this is Gambit vs. Wolves, and Wolves have to play with two subs....
I really, really, really hope GG gets punished for their arrogance here.
On February 18 2013 05:09 Numy wrote: Flord seems to be playing quite well.
Just as you say that, suicides trying to fight volibear + kassidan.
Dunno if that was his fault. Seemed like it was teamcall to go on Voli and then they realised it was stupid mistake so one of them was going to die. I guess you could say following the call was bad.
The gold totals tell a different story. Darien is actually only 500 gold up on Shen thanks to the latter's assists elsewhere on the map. And Wolves bot lane has gold advantage as well.
0K, stream froze then died right after Alex died, apparently Diamond died too, and Vi somehow survived? I'd blame Gambit more than I'd praise Wolves on that fight tho.
Wolves flexing their throwing muscles. After all, that's what you get when you have FLord on your team - there's a pretty good reason aTn never win, they throw oh so frequently
On February 18 2013 05:32 Slusher wrote: Flord building nashor's on diana instead of I don't know.....
A MERELLOMICON VS VLAD AND VOLI
but what do I know.
I'd have gone with Zhonya's myself so he can survive when they focus on him - like that last fight for example :p
Voli never dying is what won the fight.
GA 4th item on Genja pretty late by his standards lol
Hmm, I would say Edwards ult that saved Kog won the fight, if anything. But overall everyone in M5 played the fight perfectly while CW didn't execute. A Zhonyas earlier on Flord might have helped though (he's building it now)
On February 18 2013 05:32 Slusher wrote: Flord building nashor's on diana instead of I don't know.....
A MERELLOMICON VS VLAD AND VOLI
but what do I know.
I'd have gone with Zhonya's myself so he can survive when they focus on him - like that last fight for example :p
Voli never dying is what won the fight.
GA 4th item on Genja pretty late by his standards lol
Hmm, I would say Edwards ult that saved Kog won the fight, if anything. But overall everyone in M5 played the fight perfectly while CW didn't execute. A Zhonyas earlier on Flord might have helped though (he's building it now)
Shen saved that fight.He taunted sona instead of kog.
Zhoyna's at that point was stupid, bulwark was done he needed void to be relvant, basically we are both right ANYTHING other than nashors would have been better, but vs that team comp I strongly believe you need morellos.
like he won lane pretty good because alex chose to build for late (tear into catalyst) and he threw his entire lead just as Alex's investment kicked in by buying that item, to the point where Alex was signifcantly stronger despite having no kills and being down a significant amount of cs
Well at least I have learned that not only soloq zyras forget to check bushes with their seeds.
One small mistake (overstaying) let gambit come back a bit, also some questionable calls (not enough attention to lock down Kog in the early game, for some reason Vi always ulted sona instead :p) to set up lategame kog which cost them the game.
Shame that they could not finish this off, looked good for them. Still Dragonborns and Giants at least look as if they have a chance to compete.
On February 18 2013 05:51 Haasts wrote: Ah, walked away for coffee + breakfast and missed Alex's analysis - apart from the Caitlyn ban etc, what else did he talk about?
"I did mistake and died for no reason" "We fought and didnt realize genja is not there so we died again" "I made another mistake and died again"
classic xD such a cool guy, I luv him although he's slouching
basically said he himself kept getting killed and almost kept his team from winning.
Said that they knew Flord does not like bruiser mid and thats why they picked Kass early but he thinks Diana was a good pick so mabye it was not such a good idea.
aaawww.. feel so bad for CW, they play so well early and mid game, then just fall apart in the late game. In five weeks they got better in the 5vs5 teamfights and will crush face!
On February 18 2013 06:15 Slangen wrote: aaawww.. feel so bad for CW, they play so well early and mid game, then just fall apart in the late game. In five weeks they got better in the 5vs5 teamfights and will crush face!
I think when they get a stable lineup they will not fall apart late game. Individual play can win you early game but as the game gets later it becomes more about teamwork and team decision making.
On February 18 2013 06:34 onlywonderboy wrote: As it turns out, Flord is pretty good on Orianna lol.
yeah he basically grinded to 3k elo last season with only 3 champs and those 3 were tf, Ahri and Orianna. His Ori is definitely beast tier.
One of those situations where he's just played her so much he's fully aware of the limitations of the champion and how to not over-commit in engagements. Like Froggen on Aniva.
needgoodbro missing so many kazix jumps. earlier he jumped one side, and flashed to the other during elise's rapel, i didnt even understand what he tried to do
On February 18 2013 06:42 misirlou wrote: needgoodbro missing so many kazix jumps. earlier he jumped one side, and flashed to the other during elise's rapel, i didnt even understand what he tried to do
He jumped where he thought she was going to be, she Rappelled, and he flashed back into tower range so she didn't descend on him and kill him for free.
On February 18 2013 06:42 misirlou wrote: needgoodbro missing so many kazix jumps. earlier he jumped one side, and flashed to the other during elise's rapel, i didnt even understand what he tried to do
He jumped where he thought she was going to be, she Rappelled, and he flashed back into tower range so she didn't descend on him and kill him for free.
hm, i guess, but at the moment i posted, he missed a wall jump, like what noobs do with flash, except flash has half the range
On February 18 2013 06:42 misirlou wrote: needgoodbro missing so many kazix jumps. earlier he jumped one side, and flashed to the other during elise's rapel, i didnt even understand what he tried to do
He jumped where he thought she was going to be, she Rappelled, and he flashed back into tower range so she didn't descend on him and kill him for free.
hm, i guess, but at the moment i posted, he missed a wall jump, like what noobs do with flash, except flash has half the range
Yeah, wasn't defending all of his terrible jumps, just explaining the rational behind that specific moment.
Just to imagine what CW would look like if they were actually used to FLord (or another mid-laner of his calibre). Cowtard looks better on AD, too. Hope Bjergsen can fulfill the expectations everyone piles on him, CW might actually be able to win games like this.
And Giants..yeah, if they don't get stupid teamcomps, they could be a legitimate top4 team
On February 18 2013 07:01 DragoonTT wrote: Just to imagine what CW would look like if they were actually used to FLord (or another mid-laner of his calibre). Cowtard looks better on AD, too. Hope Bjergsen can fulfill the expectations everyone piles on him, CW might actually be able to win games like this.
And Giants..yeah, if they don't get stupid teamcomps, they could be a legitimate top4 team
Cowtard doesn't look good on ad lol.I didn't really watch other wolves games but if he looks better than other guy is pretty bad lol.
Really surprised flord didn't just flash the ashe arrow.
dunno why you'd choose to praise Flord after those two games, he won lane both games and failed to impress his impact on to the game after the lane phase both times.
I mean if he had hit more than 0 people with that shockwave at the mid tower fight the outcome of the game could have been completely different.
On February 18 2013 07:04 Slusher wrote: dunno why you'd choose to praise Flord after those two games, he won lane both games and failed to impress his impact on to the game after the lane phase both times.
I mean if he had hit more than 0 people with that shockwave at the mid tower fight the outcome of the game could have been completely different.
To be fair, he hitted elise. I dont understand the Kazix build. I think he could spend the manamune gold a lot better on other item (say brutalizer). Then going for a warmogs, because he has problems vs elise, when he bought the giant belt he would have more efective hp vs her with a NMM wich is 600g cheaper. Also he had Lulu and kayle on teamfights. That tankiness before any dmg item on an assassin makes no sense with that support behind him. Not once I saw him kill ashe or TF. Then his second item is a LW like 5 min before ashe even got a chain vest for the GA, and TF had no armor.
On February 18 2013 07:04 Slusher wrote: dunno why you'd choose to praise Flord after those two games, he won lane both games and failed to impress his impact on to the game after the lane phase both times.
I mean if he had hit more than 0 people with that shockwave at the mid tower fight the outcome of the game could have been completely different.
TF couldn't get close, Elise was hit, Ashe was zoned out of the fight by the ultimate and Sona flashed FORWARD to avoid it. If Kha'Zix hadn't jumped in for no reason at all, the whole fight could have gone otherwise, without giving Giants the perfect engage.
His Diana gave Alex the business in game 1, and was completely useless compared to him once the game started to swing back for Gambit. and not using Khazix jump to wombo Ori ult has to be nerves I don't know raw ulting with Ori in anything resembling a team fight is a mistake any way you slice it.
I'm just saying he won lane super hard both games, gotta be able to make a bigger late game impact when that is the case
On February 18 2013 07:12 Slusher wrote: His Diana gave Alex the business in game 1, and was completely useless compared to him once the game started to swing back for Gambit. and not using Khazix jump to wombo Ori ult has to be nerves I don't know raw ulting with Ori in anything resembling a team fight is a mistake any way you slice it.
I'm just saying he won lane super hard both games, gotta be able to make a bigger late game impact when that is the case
ult on kazix would have hitted noone after he jumped. I believe they lost this game entirely on his inability to play an assassin and building like a bruiser
link does not work, changes nothing, I'm not even saying he played worse than other people on his team (he didn't) I'm saying he did super well in lane both times and failed to cover his teammates short comings with his lead, thats what you are supposed to do when it's fed, Furthermore he did this 2 games in a row.
The fact that Khazix's jump was terrible does not change the fact that you just don't raw ult in team fights if you don't have to, the majority of mid players in this tournament are probly good enough to raw Q > R but why take that risk, Ori ult has such a massive influence on team fight outcomes, especially when Ori won lane, you just don't take that risk.
I don't know why after all that people would be like Flord played so well I hope bjergson is as good (sorry I have no idea how to spell his name) when his team synergy can't be any worse than Flord's was.
On February 18 2013 07:22 Slusher wrote: link does not work, changes nothing, I'm not even saying he played worse than other people on his team (he didn't) I'm saying he did super well in lane both times and failed to cover his teammates short comings with his lead, thats what you are supposed to do when it's fed, Furthermore he did this 2 games in a row.
The fact that Khazix's jump was terrible does not change the fact that you just don't raw ult in team fights if you don't have to, the majority of mid players in this tournament are probly good enough to raw Q > R but why take that risk, Ori ult has such a massive influence on team fight outcomes, especially when Ori won lane, you just don't take that risk.
I don't know why after all that people would be like Flord played so well I hope bjergson is as good (sorry I have no idea how to spell his name) when his team synergy can't be any worse than Flord's was.
I dont doubt bjergsen is a step above FLord teamwise and I believe he is just as good laning
Flord is a good soloQ player, one of the best. However he doenst have the teamplay required for these things. Look at the game vs Gambit, the fight near Gambits blue. He engaged that fight with his ult, no zonyas or escapes, with his flash down... Thats just tunnelvision and bad play. Also he got the nashors tooth, why? Versus the Gambit composition, burst was waaaay better of a choise then more attackspeed. He got focussed in 2 seconds, no attackspeed will net you kills there.
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