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Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
January 20 2013 16:11 GMT
#1841
On January 21 2013 01:07 Dandel Ion wrote:
How is M5 not just rolling over and dying, like they did in groups?

I don't understand this team.
At all.



They are russian, will anyone ever understand them?


I think what they did wrong in group, was mainly team fight coordination. Alex+diamond attacking back line, genja+darien+gosu attacking front line.
hi
Haasts
Profile Joined October 2011
New Zealand4445 Posts
January 20 2013 16:11 GMT
#1842
Really love how they had the Twitch chat blocked apart from brief game updates/analysis from Snoopeh, e.g.

Snoopeh: The early inhibitor from Frost meant that Gambit getting the Baron was slightly nullified. However it did give them loads of global gold and a chance to farm in their base.
» That Crescendo was excellent. Edward patiently waited until he seen Frost grouped. KhaZix had excellent positioning knowing exactly when to go in and out.
» Guardian Angel down on Evelynn, 2 Guardian Angels up on Gambit.. Frost need to avoid fighting.
» That's going to be game. In an attempt to prevent the Baron - Frost forced themselves into a team fight where there items meant they were behind. Congratulations to Gambit Gaming taking the series.
» taking the first game*
» oops
» This game was more about items than team composition, impressive by both teams.


The first time I haven't hidden chat, heh; hope they do something similar in future for those of us with sound muted.
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qanik
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1899 Posts
January 20 2013 16:12 GMT
#1843
On January 21 2013 01:08 OutlaW- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2013 01:06 qanik wrote:
On January 21 2013 01:02 emraaa wrote:
ez has 0 attspeed items, doesn't he lose A LOT of dmg?


His passive gives him 50% aspd. And alot of his dmg comes from his ult and Q, which scales only with AD

Actually, it hurt his damage a lot, but all he really had to do was survive Eve and Singed to stay alive (and keep being a threat) and let Alex clean up. Everyone went Randuins anyway. You saw him lose a duel against Graves 1v1 (graves would have won straight up had alex not shown up) even though he had an advantage in health afaik


That's only because Ezreal built a BV where as graves built a Randium, if you swap those the outcome would be the exact opposite. heck, if ezreal built randium instead of bv he'd win that dual easily
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
January 20 2013 16:12 GMT
#1844
basically, attacking a tanky team doesn't mean you can't kill them, just that it takes longer, and if you don't die in the mean time you still win the team fight.
Haasts
Profile Joined October 2011
New Zealand4445 Posts
January 20 2013 16:13 GMT
#1845
I wonder what % magic damage Alex Ich's Kha'Zix was doing with Muramana procs & his passive? Was def. chunking Singed more heavily than I'd have expected.
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Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
January 20 2013 16:14 GMT
#1846
On January 21 2013 01:11 Haasts wrote:
Really love how they had the Twitch chat blocked apart from brief game updates/analysis from Snoopeh, e.g.

Show nested quote +
Snoopeh: The early inhibitor from Frost meant that Gambit getting the Baron was slightly nullified. However it did give them loads of global gold and a chance to farm in their base.
» That Crescendo was excellent. Edward patiently waited until he seen Frost grouped. KhaZix had excellent positioning knowing exactly when to go in and out.
» Guardian Angel down on Evelynn, 2 Guardian Angels up on Gambit.. Frost need to avoid fighting.
» That's going to be game. In an attempt to prevent the Baron - Frost forced themselves into a team fight where there items meant they were behind. Congratulations to Gambit Gaming taking the series.
» taking the first game*
» oops
» This game was more about items than team composition, impressive by both teams.


The first time I haven't hidden chat, heh; hope they do something similar in future for those of us with sound muted.

Thats a brilliant idea. Should be done much more often, and extended with even more analytical commentary.
Off-season = best season
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
January 20 2013 16:14 GMT
#1847
we're definitely quite behind schedule ^^ finals was supposed to start in 30minutes^^
discator
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany639 Posts
January 20 2013 16:16 GMT
#1848
Damn I missed the end cuz of homework Q__Q
;;
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
January 20 2013 16:16 GMT
#1849
On January 21 2013 01:08 foxmeep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2013 01:06 Caphe wrote:
Fuk yeah. M5 has a very good chance to take this, having a win from purple side!!

One thing I don't like about AZB in the first game was 2 def items on Graves. I mean with only 3 offensive items you can't do any damage to the tankiness of M5. I should have went to IE instead of a Warmog.


But with max build KZ and a Xin, without defensive items he's just going to explode before doing any damage.

Imo, a Randuin or a Warmog is enough not both of them. Without an IE in really late game, Graves is kind of useless.
Anyway, AZF team comp late game can't compare to M5 late game.
Terran
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
January 20 2013 16:16 GMT
#1850
On January 21 2013 01:12 zulu_nation8 wrote:
basically, attacking a tanky team doesn't mean you can't kill them, just that it takes longer, and if you don't die in the mean time you still win the team fight.


So if you don't die and you kill enemy you win fight? lol
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21953 Posts
January 20 2013 16:16 GMT
#1851
On January 21 2013 01:14 AsnSensation wrote:
we're definitely quite behind schedule ^^ finals was supposed to start in 30minutes^^


they had 2 hours planned to play a bo3. they would be hard pressed to make that with just a 2-0.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
little fancy
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany2504 Posts
January 20 2013 16:16 GMT
#1852
On January 21 2013 01:08 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2013 01:04 little fancy wrote:
I LOVE THIS GAME - so much tankiness everywhere, teamfights last 20+ seconds before someone dies and it's just a 10 men brawl in the middle of nowhere, everybody hitting everybody. SO much fun to watch, great!

I actually dislike it because of the emphasis it puts on belt items. Randuin's and warmogs are pretty much mandatory, with sunfire being a nice, if midgame-centered because of slot-efficiency, third one.
So far we saw near nigh variety in builds and though teamfights last kinda long, I'd rather have a 10+ seconds fight relying on clutch key skills coming off cooldown and positioning, rather than people just running around because the amount of damage they do is so low.

There's a difference between "not getting an ace in 2s from stacking AoE" and "not doing damage so it takes ages to die". :/
I don't hate it on the principle. But it really starts to tire me because of the scale it's reaching.


Maybe I'd agree with you if it stays that way. However, for me it is a welcome relief compared the the boring 'press R and stack ultimates until everyone melts' strategy. And I feel like it makes clutch ultimate use even more necessary (Sona's / Xin's come to mind).

But yeah, Giant's Belt is a staple for a lot of standard defensive items and with Warmog's it's too strong right now (but I guess Riot already admitted that and is going to tweak this irrc). But maybe this wouldn't be a problem if 'real' APs would be played more often which they currently are not because of the strong AD casters (Kha'zix is ridicoulus on this patch). That way, a Singed couldn't just stack armor + HP and have 200+ armor left after LW penetration, thus overall champs would die faster again.
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-20 16:17:15
January 20 2013 16:16 GMT
#1853
On January 21 2013 01:08 foxmeep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2013 01:06 Caphe wrote:
Fuk yeah. M5 has a very good chance to take this, having a win from purple side!!

One thing I don't like about AZB in the first game was 2 def items on Graves. I mean with only 3 offensive items you can't do any damage to the tankiness of M5. I should have went to IE instead of a Warmog.


But with max build KZ and a Xin, without defensive items he's just going to explode before doing any damage.

No, he just have to be protected (which is not hard with amumu, singed and blitz). He was completly useless in this game with his shiv / BT / LW.
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Fubi
Profile Joined March 2011
2228 Posts
January 20 2013 16:17 GMT
#1854
I really wish S3 moves away from this bruiser & belt/warmog stacking; it's really making the games less interesting to watch relative to S2
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9137 Posts
January 20 2013 16:18 GMT
#1855
On January 21 2013 01:11 Haasts wrote:
Really love how they had the Twitch chat blocked apart from brief game updates/analysis from Snoopeh, e.g.

Show nested quote +
Snoopeh: The early inhibitor from Frost meant that Gambit getting the Baron was slightly nullified. However it did give them loads of global gold and a chance to farm in their base.
» That Crescendo was excellent. Edward patiently waited until he seen Frost grouped. KhaZix had excellent positioning knowing exactly when to go in and out.
» Guardian Angel down on Evelynn, 2 Guardian Angels up on Gambit.. Frost need to avoid fighting.
» That's going to be game. In an attempt to prevent the Baron - Frost forced themselves into a team fight where there items meant they were behind. Congratulations to Gambit Gaming taking the series.
» taking the first game*
» oops
» This game was more about items than team composition, impressive by both teams.


The first time I haven't hidden chat, heh; hope they do something similar in future for those of us with sound muted.

Those are very basic notions, not sure what the fuss is all about. When such things are mentioned in editorials no one gives a shit, when Snoopeh does it's "omg amazing analysis" top thread on Reddit.
Ente
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1795 Posts
January 20 2013 16:18 GMT
#1856


But with max build KZ and a Xin, without defensive items he's just going to explode before doing any damage.

you have obviously the thought : a dead carry doesnt do dmg, which is correct but you can turn it around: a carry which does no dmg doesnt matter if hes dead or alive so yes get defensie items but this was just overkill and it was a factor for the outcome of the game
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DoXa
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Switzerland1448 Posts
January 20 2013 16:19 GMT
#1857
On January 21 2013 01:17 Fubi wrote:
I really wish S3 moves away from this bruiser & belt/warmog stacking; it's really making the games less interesting to watch relative to S2


I think it makes for more interesting teamfights because the champs are lasting longer
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
January 20 2013 16:20 GMT
#1858
YES RYZE, FINALLY!
hi
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
January 20 2013 16:20 GMT
#1859
Bah all of you calling GG as m5 still are missing out. When they win a game, you can just be like "GG GG!". It's so perfect. Why waste it?!
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
January 20 2013 16:20 GMT
#1860
No Kayle pick/ban..?
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