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On November 04 2012 04:27 Lysanias wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 04:21 overt wrote:On November 04 2012 04:19 Lysanias wrote:On November 04 2012 04:17 overt wrote:On November 04 2012 04:16 TheYango wrote:On November 04 2012 04:12 overt wrote:On November 04 2012 04:10 Lysanias wrote:On November 04 2012 04:06 Caphe wrote:On November 04 2012 04:03 Lysanias wrote:
TSM getting rolled. Never got why they are so hyped. As bad as they are, they still beat all NA teams over and over and over again. NA scene is just too bad thats why TSM is so hyped. Looking rather bleek for NA then, hell even EU, with CLG-EU rather inconsistant and nothing close coming near it on offline tournaments. Only M5 can seem to keep up with asia. (but it's kinda cheating calling them EU) I think CLGeu can keep up with Asia. Citing this tournament as evidence that they can't seems silly considering they haven't been practicing and have a sub. They beat WE at finals and took a game off Frost. A lot better than the NA teams did. M5 had a nearly identical showing to CLGeu at worlds beating iG and taking one game off TPA. He didn't say they were bad, but that they were inconsistent, which IS true. He said that M5 was the only team that could keep up with the Asians. Which implies that CLGeu can't. Which seems silly considering CLGeu has more evidence to suggest that they can keep up with the Asians than M5 considering CLGeu's appearance at OGN. Read up my reply ty, CLG EU at times can keep up with asia but they are inconsistant, take it any way you want. M5 on the other hand is not. But when are they inconsistent? I don't consider a tournament showing where they have a sub as inconsistence. I guess S2 qualifiers when they lost to SK? Maybe like eight months ago when they did badly at MLG? They're way more consistent than any other western team save M5. Being more consistant then some other teams does not make you consistant in turn. there finals in OGN were a disaster, they had a bad MLG run as you said, World champions quili were bad, and with a sub and no practice this MLG they also seem below level. And in the end you are saying the same as i do as M5 being consistant.
That M5 is consistent doesn't make CLG.EU inconsistent. CLG.EU is very consistent, their finals at OGN were fine? THey lost 2-3, all teams can lost 3 maps in a row, even CLG.EU. Thei WC qualifiers may have been bad, but then again SK played way over their ability.
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On November 04 2012 04:27 Irave wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 04:26 Caphe wrote:On November 04 2012 04:19 TheYango wrote:On November 04 2012 04:11 Caphe wrote:On November 04 2012 04:06 socommaster123 wrote:
Why did TSM play a comp they are not used to. TSM shouldn't be playing comps that they cannot pull off, especially putting TOO on a jungle assassin, he is the best support jungler in the game he shouldn't be playing that type of jungler. Lol, you are still delusional. Its not TSM play with a comp that they are not used to, They simply cant beat Koreans with no matter what comp they use. TSM is just miles behind Asian teams, thats it. Pls, Oddone is good in NA only, hes no that good if you compare then to Asian teams junglers. Oddone is actually probably the most outstanding member of TSM compared to his Asian counterparts. Give credit where credit is due. Jungling is still a heavily experience and game sense-driven role. And Oddone's experience as a jungler is exceeded by very few active junglers. I agree with your first point, but I dont see how Oddone can compare to their Asian counterparts. If you watch TSM scrims Oddone just do whatever Reginald tell him, pretty much wipe Reginald's ass. Just in that last game, see how Oddone babysit Reginald mid? It was very close the first time they kill Karthus, but the 2nd time was just horrible. The babysitting mid was part of their strategy. We even heard about it in the sweet Turtle Beach sound session!
I don't know. Zilean is supposed to absolutely destroy Karthus in lane. Reginald didn't achieve that at all and actually fell behind in CS really hard.
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On November 04 2012 04:27 Lysanias wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 04:21 overt wrote:On November 04 2012 04:19 Lysanias wrote:On November 04 2012 04:17 overt wrote:On November 04 2012 04:16 TheYango wrote:On November 04 2012 04:12 overt wrote:On November 04 2012 04:10 Lysanias wrote:On November 04 2012 04:06 Caphe wrote:On November 04 2012 04:03 Lysanias wrote:
TSM getting rolled. Never got why they are so hyped. As bad as they are, they still beat all NA teams over and over and over again. NA scene is just too bad thats why TSM is so hyped. Looking rather bleek for NA then, hell even EU, with CLG-EU rather inconsistant and nothing close coming near it on offline tournaments. Only M5 can seem to keep up with asia. (but it's kinda cheating calling them EU) I think CLGeu can keep up with Asia. Citing this tournament as evidence that they can't seems silly considering they haven't been practicing and have a sub. They beat WE at finals and took a game off Frost. A lot better than the NA teams did. M5 had a nearly identical showing to CLGeu at worlds beating iG and taking one game off TPA. He didn't say they were bad, but that they were inconsistent, which IS true. He said that M5 was the only team that could keep up with the Asians. Which implies that CLGeu can't. Which seems silly considering CLGeu has more evidence to suggest that they can keep up with the Asians than M5 considering CLGeu's appearance at OGN. Read up my reply ty, CLG EU at times can keep up with asia but they are inconsistant, take it any way you want. M5 on the other hand is not. But when are they inconsistent? I don't consider a tournament showing where they have a sub as inconsistence. I guess S2 qualifiers when they lost to SK? Maybe like eight months ago when they did badly at MLG? They're way more consistent than any other western team save M5. Being more consistant then some other teams does not make you consistant in turn. there finals in OGN were a disaster, they had a bad MLG run as you said, World champions quili were bad, and with a sub and no practice this MLG they also seem below level. And in the end you are saying the same as i do as M5 being consistant.
Yeah, but based on pure results M5 is less consistent than CLGeu against Asian teams. M5 only has a 50/50 winrate against Asians because they absolutely never play them.
If CLGeu keeps playing against Asian teams at smaller LANs like MLG they're eventually gonna surpass M5 imo. And the Korean and Chinese teams have mixed results too. Doesn't mean they're inconsistent.
Like if CLGeu is inconsistent so is Azubu Blaze. And everyone in EU/NA that isn't M5. So is WE. So is TPA lol. Which is fine, maybe every team is inconsistent but damn.
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No excuses for TSM, they played poorly and they didn't practice or even make attempts to practice they didn't take the event seriously because if they did they would of at least tried to practice instead of solo que and playing SMITE. They just didn't seem to give a damn about this MLG. I am sure(read: hope) that's not the case but the play this weekend was half genius concepts but unrefined for pro level play.
*shrug* I don't think the NA scene is terrible, just not living up to the potential it has.
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On November 04 2012 04:29 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 04:27 Dan HH wrote:On November 04 2012 04:23 TheYango wrote:On November 04 2012 04:21 Dan HH wrote:
And to think that Najin Shield beat up both NJSW and AZB last week. Korea is pulling further and further ahead. IG 2-0ed Shield in Starswar and WE 2-1ed IG in WESM, so obviously China > Korea! It isn't as simple as who beat who. What? That was 2 months ago and I didn't imply that Shield is better, just that more and more Korean teams are reaching a certain level. Shield was disappointing in OGN Summer but they are back at the top. Closer to a month ago, given that Shield vs IG was played on the last day of Group A.
And yeah iG and WE are in a good spot right now but I think they have a huge problem due to the lack of competition in China, they only lose against eachother.
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On November 04 2012 04:27 Lysanias wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 04:21 overt wrote:On November 04 2012 04:19 Lysanias wrote:On November 04 2012 04:17 overt wrote:On November 04 2012 04:16 TheYango wrote:On November 04 2012 04:12 overt wrote:On November 04 2012 04:10 Lysanias wrote:On November 04 2012 04:06 Caphe wrote:On November 04 2012 04:03 Lysanias wrote:
TSM getting rolled. Never got why they are so hyped. As bad as they are, they still beat all NA teams over and over and over again. NA scene is just too bad thats why TSM is so hyped. Looking rather bleek for NA then, hell even EU, with CLG-EU rather inconsistant and nothing close coming near it on offline tournaments. Only M5 can seem to keep up with asia. (but it's kinda cheating calling them EU) I think CLGeu can keep up with Asia. Citing this tournament as evidence that they can't seems silly considering they haven't been practicing and have a sub. They beat WE at finals and took a game off Frost. A lot better than the NA teams did. M5 had a nearly identical showing to CLGeu at worlds beating iG and taking one game off TPA. He didn't say they were bad, but that they were inconsistent, which IS true. He said that M5 was the only team that could keep up with the Asians. Which implies that CLGeu can't. Which seems silly considering CLGeu has more evidence to suggest that they can keep up with the Asians than M5 considering CLGeu's appearance at OGN. Read up my reply ty, CLG EU at times can keep up with asia but they are inconsistant, take it any way you want. M5 on the other hand is not. But when are they inconsistent? I don't consider a tournament showing where they have a sub as inconsistence. I guess S2 qualifiers when they lost to SK? Maybe like eight months ago when they did badly at MLG? They're way more consistent than any other western team save M5. Being more consistant then some other teams does not make you consistant in turn. there finals in OGN were a disaster, they had a bad MLG run as you said, World champions quili were bad, and with a sub and no practice this MLG they also seem below level.
How is losing to Azubu Frost 2-3 in the finals a disaster? The community never really appreciated how well they did in korea, as noone cared about the Korean tournament and Koreans were still not rated that high. Now as we see the Koreans dominating every foreign team, the results of CLG.eu in Korea seem even more impressive.
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On November 04 2012 04:30 Jamial wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 04:27 Lysanias wrote:On November 04 2012 04:21 overt wrote:On November 04 2012 04:19 Lysanias wrote:On November 04 2012 04:17 overt wrote:On November 04 2012 04:16 TheYango wrote:On November 04 2012 04:12 overt wrote:On November 04 2012 04:10 Lysanias wrote:On November 04 2012 04:06 Caphe wrote:On November 04 2012 04:03 Lysanias wrote:
TSM getting rolled. Never got why they are so hyped. As bad as they are, they still beat all NA teams over and over and over again. NA scene is just too bad thats why TSM is so hyped. Looking rather bleek for NA then, hell even EU, with CLG-EU rather inconsistant and nothing close coming near it on offline tournaments. Only M5 can seem to keep up with asia. (but it's kinda cheating calling them EU) I think CLGeu can keep up with Asia. Citing this tournament as evidence that they can't seems silly considering they haven't been practicing and have a sub. They beat WE at finals and took a game off Frost. A lot better than the NA teams did. M5 had a nearly identical showing to CLGeu at worlds beating iG and taking one game off TPA. He didn't say they were bad, but that they were inconsistent, which IS true. He said that M5 was the only team that could keep up with the Asians. Which implies that CLGeu can't. Which seems silly considering CLGeu has more evidence to suggest that they can keep up with the Asians than M5 considering CLGeu's appearance at OGN. Read up my reply ty, CLG EU at times can keep up with asia but they are inconsistant, take it any way you want. M5 on the other hand is not. But when are they inconsistent? I don't consider a tournament showing where they have a sub as inconsistence. I guess S2 qualifiers when they lost to SK? Maybe like eight months ago when they did badly at MLG? They're way more consistent than any other western team save M5. Being more consistant then some other teams does not make you consistant in turn. there finals in OGN were a disaster, they had a bad MLG run as you said, World champions quili were bad, and with a sub and no practice this MLG they also seem below level. And in the end you are saying the same as i do as M5 being consistant. That M5 is consistent doesn't make CLG.EU inconsistent. CLG.EU is very consistent, their finals at OGN were fine? THey lost 2-3, all teams can lost 3 maps in a row, even CLG.EU. Thei WC qualifiers may have been bad, but then again SK played way over their ability.
It actualy does  Unless they have constantly the same results, wich is clearly not the case.
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Because M5 has beaten a Korean team ever? Or even played one? Easy to be consistent when you only play teams that are worse than you.
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Just started watching, not at all a fan of seeing the players like that, makes the game screen a lot smaller. Is it always like that?
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On November 04 2012 04:32 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 04:29 TheYango wrote:On November 04 2012 04:27 Dan HH wrote:On November 04 2012 04:23 TheYango wrote:On November 04 2012 04:21 Dan HH wrote:
And to think that Najin Shield beat up both NJSW and AZB last week. Korea is pulling further and further ahead. IG 2-0ed Shield in Starswar and WE 2-1ed IG in WESM, so obviously China > Korea! It isn't as simple as who beat who. What? That was 2 months ago and I didn't imply that Shield is better, just that more and more Korean teams are reaching a certain level. Shield was disappointing in OGN Summer but they are back at the top. Closer to a month ago, given that Shield vs IG was played on the last day of Group A. And yeah iG and WE are in a good spot right now but I think they have a huge problem due to the lack of competition in China, they only lose against eachother.
LGD's team looks like they have potential. Considered a joke team for quite a while, but their StarsWar groupstage results were quite respectable--going 1-1 against WE, 1-1 against Xenics, and then beating Xenics again in tiebreakers is no small feat for a team that's existed for ~6 months.
I also had high hope for OMG, but Wh1t3zz retired and the team disbanded.
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On November 04 2012 04:30 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 04:27 Irave wrote:On November 04 2012 04:26 Caphe wrote:On November 04 2012 04:19 TheYango wrote:On November 04 2012 04:11 Caphe wrote:On November 04 2012 04:06 socommaster123 wrote:
Why did TSM play a comp they are not used to. TSM shouldn't be playing comps that they cannot pull off, especially putting TOO on a jungle assassin, he is the best support jungler in the game he shouldn't be playing that type of jungler. Lol, you are still delusional. Its not TSM play with a comp that they are not used to, They simply cant beat Koreans with no matter what comp they use. TSM is just miles behind Asian teams, thats it. Pls, Oddone is good in NA only, hes no that good if you compare then to Asian teams junglers. Oddone is actually probably the most outstanding member of TSM compared to his Asian counterparts. Give credit where credit is due. Jungling is still a heavily experience and game sense-driven role. And Oddone's experience as a jungler is exceeded by very few active junglers. I agree with your first point, but I dont see how Oddone can compare to their Asian counterparts. If you watch TSM scrims Oddone just do whatever Reginald tell him, pretty much wipe Reginald's ass. Just in that last game, see how Oddone babysit Reginald mid? It was very close the first time they kill Karthus, but the 2nd time was just horrible. The babysitting mid was part of their strategy. We even heard about it in the sweet Turtle Beach sound session! I don't know. Zilean is supposed to absolutely destroy Karthus in lane. Reginald didn't achieve that at all and actually fell behind in CS really hard.
Is he? They picked Karthas into Zilean, so I don't think Ssong views the matchup the same way you do.
But yeah, the plan from the get-go was to get kills mid with Rengar/Zilean, so it made sense for TOO to be there. The problem was losing red/fb to put Rengar behind and then Regi falling behind in CS in lane.
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On November 04 2012 04:30 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 04:27 Irave wrote:On November 04 2012 04:26 Caphe wrote:On November 04 2012 04:19 TheYango wrote:On November 04 2012 04:11 Caphe wrote:On November 04 2012 04:06 socommaster123 wrote:
Why did TSM play a comp they are not used to. TSM shouldn't be playing comps that they cannot pull off, especially putting TOO on a jungle assassin, he is the best support jungler in the game he shouldn't be playing that type of jungler. Lol, you are still delusional. Its not TSM play with a comp that they are not used to, They simply cant beat Koreans with no matter what comp they use. TSM is just miles behind Asian teams, thats it. Pls, Oddone is good in NA only, hes no that good if you compare then to Asian teams junglers. Oddone is actually probably the most outstanding member of TSM compared to his Asian counterparts. Give credit where credit is due. Jungling is still a heavily experience and game sense-driven role. And Oddone's experience as a jungler is exceeded by very few active junglers. I agree with your first point, but I dont see how Oddone can compare to their Asian counterparts. If you watch TSM scrims Oddone just do whatever Reginald tell him, pretty much wipe Reginald's ass. Just in that last game, see how Oddone babysit Reginald mid? It was very close the first time they kill Karthus, but the 2nd time was just horrible. The babysitting mid was part of their strategy. We even heard about it in the sweet Turtle Beach sound session! I don't know. Zilean is supposed to absolutely destroy Karthus in lane. Reginald didn't achieve that at all and actually fell behind in CS really hard.
Karthus got a level 2 blue. Even Nyjacky can't beat scrubs in solo-q when saint feeds enemy double buff at level 2.
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On November 04 2012 04:35 nvs. wrote:
Just started watching, not at all a fan of seeing the players like that, makes the game screen a lot smaller. Is it always like that?
Not a real game, just something to watch during the downtime between games.
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On November 04 2012 04:35 nvs. wrote:
Just started watching, not at all a fan of seeing the players like that, makes the game screen a lot smaller. Is it always like that?
There is no game going on, what they show there is some replay of an old game.
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Tbh zilean/rengar strat can be taken to a whole 'nother level,TSM just barely showed the idea behind it.
Would love to see some Korean team pick it up and run wild with it for ze lolz.
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On November 04 2012 04:34 overt wrote:
Because M5 has beaten a Korean team ever? Or even played one? Easy to be consistent when you only play teams that are worse than you.
You do realize they took a game off TPA in an official serious match. As in TPA the world champion who ROFL-stomped AZF in 3 straight games?
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On November 04 2012 04:28 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 04:26 Caphe wrote:
I agree with your first point, but I dont see how Oddone can compare to their Asian counterparts. If you watch TSM scrims Oddone just do whatever Reginald tell him, pretty much wipe Reginald's ass. Just in that last game, see how Oddone babysit Reginald mid? It was very close the first time they kill Karthus, but the 2nd time was just horrible.
I don't consider it a fault of TOO for listening to his captain.
Hes the general/admiral he doesn't have to take regi's bullshit.
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On November 04 2012 04:35 Kavas wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2012 04:30 Sufficiency wrote:On November 04 2012 04:27 Irave wrote:On November 04 2012 04:26 Caphe wrote:On November 04 2012 04:19 TheYango wrote:On November 04 2012 04:11 Caphe wrote:On November 04 2012 04:06 socommaster123 wrote:
Why did TSM play a comp they are not used to. TSM shouldn't be playing comps that they cannot pull off, especially putting TOO on a jungle assassin, he is the best support jungler in the game he shouldn't be playing that type of jungler. Lol, you are still delusional. Its not TSM play with a comp that they are not used to, They simply cant beat Koreans with no matter what comp they use. TSM is just miles behind Asian teams, thats it. Pls, Oddone is good in NA only, hes no that good if you compare then to Asian teams junglers. Oddone is actually probably the most outstanding member of TSM compared to his Asian counterparts. Give credit where credit is due. Jungling is still a heavily experience and game sense-driven role. And Oddone's experience as a jungler is exceeded by very few active junglers. I agree with your first point, but I dont see how Oddone can compare to their Asian counterparts. If you watch TSM scrims Oddone just do whatever Reginald tell him, pretty much wipe Reginald's ass. Just in that last game, see how Oddone babysit Reginald mid? It was very close the first time they kill Karthus, but the 2nd time was just horrible. The babysitting mid was part of their strategy. We even heard about it in the sweet Turtle Beach sound session! I don't know. Zilean is supposed to absolutely destroy Karthus in lane. Reginald didn't achieve that at all and actually fell behind in CS really hard. Karthus got a level 2 blue. Even Nyjacky can't beat scrubs in solo-q when saint feeds enemy double buff at level 2.
The blue which Regi got back by killing Karthus. But Regi still was losing in CS.
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Well. This tourney is...odd to say the least. It feels like the NFL All-Star game, considering how many of the top players seem to have been decompressing after World Championships.
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The thing that is so impressive about KR LoL scene is the huge amount of top tier teams. China has IG and WE who are both very good but outside of that its pretty rough. TPA is great but the other TW teams are nowhere near them. M5 and (maybe) CLG.EU are good but the rest of EU is pretty far behind.
For Korea, you have Najin Shield + Sword and Azubu Frost + Blaze all four of which are considered top tier. Then there are a lot of other teams that are close..
LGIM has potential but has underperformed lately. their roster is still good enough to make it though
KT A has looked great recently beating Frost IEM quali and reaching the finals for ETD. they are kind of unknown but early results say they might be top tier
Xenics is still around and people expect them to be better with Cornsalad taking over mid
Even a team like MVP white would be competitive with the top NA/EU teams and they are probably something like the 8-9th best team in Korea.
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