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nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
November 03 2012 19:39 GMT
#1701
On November 04 2012 04:36 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2012 04:35 nvs. wrote:
Just started watching, not at all a fan of seeing the players like that, makes the game screen a lot smaller. Is it always like that?


Not a real game, just something to watch during the downtime between games.


Ok thanks.
Leonite7
Profile Joined July 2011
Ireland921 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-03 19:45:31
November 03 2012 19:40 GMT
#1702
When will the game start? These delays are frustrating and should not be happening in any tournament that claims to be high-calibre.

I think I have found an analogy that can describe MLG's attitude to LoL. Basically everyone was trying to predict what game would become the next Messiah of ESPORTS and MLG said that it would be SC2 and pumped a feckload of money into trying to get it to work. Then along comes LoL and it turns out that SC2 was not the chosen one, other organisations just sort of went with it and swapped over. MLG however, decided that it was impossible for them to be wrong and kept on going with SC2 while putting on a insignificant sideshow of LoL with bad production, to try and stave off investors from going with it.
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-03 19:41:35
November 03 2012 19:40 GMT
#1703
On November 04 2012 04:35 Kavas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2012 04:30 Sufficiency wrote:
On November 04 2012 04:27 Irave wrote:
On November 04 2012 04:26 Caphe wrote:
On November 04 2012 04:19 TheYango wrote:
On November 04 2012 04:11 Caphe wrote:
On November 04 2012 04:06 socommaster123 wrote:
Why did TSM play a comp they are not used to. TSM shouldn't be playing comps that they cannot pull off, especially putting TOO on a jungle assassin, he is the best support jungler in the game he shouldn't be playing that type of jungler.

Lol, you are still delusional. Its not TSM play with a comp that they are not used to, They simply cant beat Koreans with no matter what comp they use. TSM is just miles behind Asian teams, thats it.
Pls, Oddone is good in NA only, hes no that good if you compare then to Asian teams junglers.

Oddone is actually probably the most outstanding member of TSM compared to his Asian counterparts. Give credit where credit is due.

Jungling is still a heavily experience and game sense-driven role. And Oddone's experience as a jungler is exceeded by very few active junglers.

I agree with your first point, but I dont see how Oddone can compare to their Asian counterparts. If you watch TSM scrims Oddone just do whatever Reginald tell him, pretty much wipe Reginald's ass. Just in that last game, see how Oddone babysit Reginald mid? It was very close the first time they kill Karthus, but the 2nd time was just horrible.


The babysitting mid was part of their strategy. We even heard about it in the sweet Turtle Beach sound session!


I don't know. Zilean is supposed to absolutely destroy Karthus in lane. Reginald didn't achieve that at all and actually fell behind in CS really hard.

Karthus got a level 2 blue. Even Nyjacky can't beat scrubs in solo-q when saint feeds enemy double buff at level 2.

Well, TSM got a nice mid gank where Reginald kill Karthus and get a blue buff. Still lose terribly. Reginald still is bad but he still thinks hes one of the best mid in the world. Hes not even in the top 10 on my list.

EDIT: Is CLG.eu just sitting their ass of waiting for TSM?
Terran
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
November 03 2012 19:40 GMT
#1704
I find it funny how everyone wants to see the Dig game after their performance against Blaze, but holy crap, if they had showed Dig vs CLG.NA over TSM vs CLG.EU in the first round, people would have lost their minds.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-03 19:41:29
November 03 2012 19:40 GMT
#1705
On November 04 2012 04:37 Kavas wrote:
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On November 04 2012 04:34 overt wrote:
Because M5 has beaten a Korean team ever? Or even played one? Easy to be consistent when you only play teams that are worse than you.

You do realize they took a game off TPA in an official serious match. As in TPA the world champion who ROFL-stomped AZF in 3 straight games?


Still got beat.

I think that M5 is probably better than CLGeu. But acting like M5 is incredibly more consistent or significantly ahead of CLGeu is silly. It's like people who tried to claim TSM was the best team in the world because they won so many LANs while neglecting the fact that they were all NA LANs lol.

M5's only wins are EU LANs. They've dropped an EU LAN to CLGeu. They've only played one foreign event and they lost.
oogieogie
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3657 Posts
November 03 2012 19:41 GMT
#1706
so far the korean teams havn't even lost a game. The dig ones were much closer though at least.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 03 2012 19:41 GMT
#1707
Anyone who thinks M5 didn't do better against TPA than Frost did clearly didn't watch the games.
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nojitosunrise
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6188 Posts
November 03 2012 19:42 GMT
#1708
dig on main stage if TSM and CLG.eu finish quick

Jamial
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark1289 Posts
November 03 2012 19:42 GMT
#1709
On November 04 2012 04:40 onlywonderboy wrote:
I find it funny how everyone wants to see the Dig game after their performance against Blaze, but holy crap, if they had showed Dig vs CLG.NA over TSM vs CLG.EU in the first round, people would have lost their minds.


Dig played great against blaze? WHy the hate?
Flaf?
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
November 03 2012 19:42 GMT
#1710
Okay so
vydia games when?
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
November 03 2012 19:42 GMT
#1711
On November 04 2012 04:42 nojitosunrise wrote:
dig on main stage if TSM and CLG.eu finish quick

https://twitter.com/dscarra/status/264814406834212864

lol EU finish quick
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
November 03 2012 19:42 GMT
#1712
On November 04 2012 04:42 Jamial wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2012 04:40 onlywonderboy wrote:
I find it funny how everyone wants to see the Dig game after their performance against Blaze, but holy crap, if they had showed Dig vs CLG.NA over TSM vs CLG.EU in the first round, people would have lost their minds.


Dig played great against blaze? WHy the hate?

CLG.eu hasn't had a single game streamed that's why. Also, baylife fanboys.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
November 03 2012 19:43 GMT
#1713
On November 04 2012 04:41 TheYango wrote:
Anyone who thinks M5 didn't do better against TPA than Frost did clearly didn't watch the games.


But who's to say that against Frost M5 would have won? We don't know. Because of all the top teams in the world M5 has by far the least games.
oogieogie
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3657 Posts
November 03 2012 19:43 GMT
#1714
On November 04 2012 04:42 nojitosunrise wrote:
dig on main stage if TSM and CLG.eu finish quick

https://twitter.com/dscarra/status/264814406834212864

Theres no way in hell that a series with CLG EU will be quick.
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
November 03 2012 19:43 GMT
#1715
On November 04 2012 04:42 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2012 04:42 nojitosunrise wrote:
dig on main stage if TSM and CLG.eu finish quick

https://twitter.com/dscarra/status/264814406834212864

lol EU finish quick

yeah I had a chuckle at that one too :D
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-03 19:46:26
November 03 2012 19:43 GMT
#1716
On November 04 2012 04:42 Jamial wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2012 04:40 onlywonderboy wrote:
I find it funny how everyone wants to see the Dig game after their performance against Blaze, but holy crap, if they had showed Dig vs CLG.NA over TSM vs CLG.EU in the first round, people would have lost their minds.


Dig played great against blaze? WHy the hate?

I'm not hating, I just find it interesting to think about how the community's reaction would have been different in that situation.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
November 03 2012 19:46 GMT
#1717
ok, im really frustrated with this MLG.

so many delays and no info, just a "coming up next, go stare at screen for one hour, noobs". Meanwhile they dont even stream all games.
No idea why MLG is so big, looks very mismanaged.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-03 19:48:28
November 03 2012 19:47 GMT
#1718
On November 04 2012 04:39 adriftt wrote:
The thing that is so impressive about KR LoL scene is the huge amount of top tier teams. China has IG and WE who are both very good but outside of that its pretty rough. TPA is great but the other TW teams are nowhere near them. M5 and (maybe) CLG.EU are good but the rest of EU is pretty far behind.

The main reason that China lags behind Korea IMO is that Korea had a massively greater infusion of talent at the start of it's competitive scene.

Korean LoL more or less started with a small handful of semi-pro players who would form the first 3 Korean pro teams. They more or less covered every role in significant capacity, which would lead to bringing up future talent very rapidly.

Chinese LoL started with basically nothing--the only knowhow they started with was CCM/iG picking up HKEGG, and even then they only kept Wh1t3zz and MikakoTabe. It's no coincidence that TF is China's signature AP, that Chinese bot lanes are so strong, and that Chinese top and jungle play is lacking.
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Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9245 Posts
November 03 2012 19:47 GMT
#1719
On November 04 2012 04:42 nojitosunrise wrote:
dig on main stage if TSM and CLG.eu finish quick

https://twitter.com/dscarra/status/264814406834212864

Well, they already wasted 45mins so I doubt it.
TheSinisterRed
Profile Joined September 2012
United States1546 Posts
November 03 2012 19:50 GMT
#1720
On November 04 2012 04:40 Caphe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2012 04:35 Kavas wrote:
On November 04 2012 04:30 Sufficiency wrote:
On November 04 2012 04:27 Irave wrote:
On November 04 2012 04:26 Caphe wrote:
On November 04 2012 04:19 TheYango wrote:
On November 04 2012 04:11 Caphe wrote:
On November 04 2012 04:06 socommaster123 wrote:
Why did TSM play a comp they are not used to. TSM shouldn't be playing comps that they cannot pull off, especially putting TOO on a jungle assassin, he is the best support jungler in the game he shouldn't be playing that type of jungler.

Lol, you are still delusional. Its not TSM play with a comp that they are not used to, They simply cant beat Koreans with no matter what comp they use. TSM is just miles behind Asian teams, thats it.
Pls, Oddone is good in NA only, hes no that good if you compare then to Asian teams junglers.

Oddone is actually probably the most outstanding member of TSM compared to his Asian counterparts. Give credit where credit is due.

Jungling is still a heavily experience and game sense-driven role. And Oddone's experience as a jungler is exceeded by very few active junglers.

I agree with your first point, but I dont see how Oddone can compare to their Asian counterparts. If you watch TSM scrims Oddone just do whatever Reginald tell him, pretty much wipe Reginald's ass. Just in that last game, see how Oddone babysit Reginald mid? It was very close the first time they kill Karthus, but the 2nd time was just horrible.


The babysitting mid was part of their strategy. We even heard about it in the sweet Turtle Beach sound session!


I don't know. Zilean is supposed to absolutely destroy Karthus in lane. Reginald didn't achieve that at all and actually fell behind in CS really hard.

Karthus got a level 2 blue. Even Nyjacky can't beat scrubs in solo-q when saint feeds enemy double buff at level 2.

Well, TSM got a nice mid gank where Reginald kill Karthus and get a blue buff. Still lose terribly. Reginald still is bad but he still thinks hes one of the best mid in the world. Hes not even in the top 10 on my list.

EDIT: Is CLG.eu just sitting their ass of waiting for TSM?

In the pregame chat that we got to listen in to Regi even said that he hasn't played Zil since before Worlds, so it makes sense that he didn't have his best game just now. Should he have gone with the pick then? Probably not, but it seemed like a team-decision anyway. I'm not saying he is the best, but he isn't That bad.
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