EPT[MLG] Fall Championships Dallas 2012 - Page 195
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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LasTLiE
United States428 Posts
On November 05 2012 14:17 1godless wrote: VODs in general, does mlg even post them? If so when? I had to spend this whole week working like a fiend. There's a thread on r/loleventvods with links to YouTube and Twitch VODs from MLG, but the YouTube videos are now set to private and the Twitch VODs require a subscription ($15) to view. I guess for now, we'll just have to wait until they're on the MLG site (hopefully that'll be soon). I also saw some people linking Own3d VODs, but whenever I tried to watch one it'd lag and/or not work, so I dunno how well those work for people. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On November 06 2012 03:07 zulu_nation8 wrote: TSM making excuses about not practicing before because of moving/computer issues, if theyre in california couldnt they have just gone to LAN centers to practice or even the riot HQ? The most infuriating part of the excuse of not practicing is the implication that actually practicing would've led to different results. Well, yeah, actually practicing could led to different results since that's how teams get better. Helios of Blaze even said that these tournaments generally come down to who's practiced more/who's better prepared. But TSM has no one to blame but themselves for not practicing so it's still a shitty excuse. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
Wont be enough to beat Blaze/Sword though | ||
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NovaTheFeared
United States7226 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On November 06 2012 03:07 zulu_nation8 wrote: TSM making excuses about not practicing before because of moving/computer issues, if theyre in california couldnt they have just gone to LAN centers to practice or even the riot HQ? The most infuriating part of the excuse of not practicing is the implication that actually practicing would've led to different results. I don't understand what you're trying to say/imply. Of course if they practice more they'll get different results. The excuse of "not practicing" isn't so much an excuse (imo) as it is an admission of laziness. If TSM, or any other NA team, takes practicing more seriously, then they can beat the Koreans. Unless, of course, you're trying to imply that no amount of practicing will let TSM/NA teams get on the level of the Koreans, which is an argument I just don't buy. On November 06 2012 03:49 AsnSensation wrote: well if they did practice, the best they could have hoped for was to defeat a clg.eu that hasnt scrimmed once in 3 weeks and having a sub. Wont be enough to beat Blaze/Sword though Why not? If they practice properly hard enough why can't they beat Blaze/Sword? I just don't buy the argument that NA teams are so less talented than the Koreans that no amount of practice will let them beat or stand on the same level as the Koreans. | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On November 06 2012 04:31 Ryuu314 wrote: I don't understand what you're trying to say/imply. Of course if they practice more they'll get different results. The excuse of "not practicing" isn't so much an excuse (imo) as it is an admission of laziness. If TSM, or any other NA team, takes practicing more seriously, then they can beat the Koreans. Unless, of course, you're trying to imply that no amount of practicing will let TSM/NA teams get on the level of the Koreans, which is an argument I just don't buy. Why not? If they practice properly hard enough why can't they beat Blaze/Sword? I just don't buy the argument that NA teams are so less talented than the Koreans that no amount of practice will let them beat or stand on the same level as the Koreans. I think the idea is that NA practice isn't good practice. TSM supposedly scrimmed curse for like 2 weeks straight before S2 finals, still sucked pretty badly. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On November 06 2012 04:31 Ryuu314 wrote: I don't understand what you're trying to say/imply. Of course if they practice more they'll get different results. The excuse of "not practicing" isn't so much an excuse (imo) as it is an admission of laziness. If TSM, or any other NA team, takes practicing more seriously, then they can beat the Koreans. Unless, of course, you're trying to imply that no amount of practicing will let TSM/NA teams get on the level of the Koreans, which is an argument I just don't buy. Why not? If they practice properly hard enough why can't they beat Blaze/Sword? I just don't buy the argument that NA teams are so less talented than the Koreans that no amount of practice will let them beat or stand on the same level as the Koreans. It's not just the amount of practice, it's the quality of practice. Korean teams have a better practice environment by virtue of having 10+ fully professional teams with team houses, salaries, and strict training regimens, all practicing within the same area network. TSM doesn't have that benefit, though a lot of it has to do with the way NA eSports is structured - ie it's every team for themselves, instead of a concerted effort to improve the collective quality of NA players and teams. Having said that, practice is going to help no matter what. Look at M5 and TPA for examples of teams that also don't have access to the same environment that Koreans do, but which nonetheless manage to come out on top. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
NA did the same thing around that time--CLG picked up CLG.Black, and TSM picked up TSM.Evo. But neither of the two major teams really took advantage of this, and both B-teams flopped. CLG and TSM more or less squandered this opportunity. On November 06 2012 04:31 Ryuu314 wrote: I don't understand what you're trying to say/imply. Of course if they practice more they'll get different results. The excuse of "not practicing" isn't so much an excuse (imo) as it is an admission of laziness. If TSM, or any other NA team, takes practicing more seriously, then they can beat the Koreans. Unless, of course, you're trying to imply that no amount of practicing will let TSM/NA teams get on the level of the Koreans, which is an argument I just don't buy. Why not? If they practice properly hard enough why can't they beat Blaze/Sword? I just don't buy the argument that NA teams are so less talented than the Koreans that no amount of practice will let them beat or stand on the same level as the Koreans. The implication of TSM's statement is that if they practiced between Worlds and now they would have been good enough to do better. I would argue they need a LOT more practice than that to catch up to the Koreans. It's not that they're incapable of being as good as the Korean teams, it's that they're severely understating the amount of practice they need to catch up. | ||
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tylervoss4
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On November 06 2012 04:31 Ryuu314 wrote: I don't understand what you're trying to say/imply. Of course if they practice more they'll get different results. The excuse of "not practicing" isn't so much an excuse (imo) as it is an admission of laziness. If TSM, or any other NA team, takes practicing more seriously, then they can beat the Koreans. Unless, of course, you're trying to imply that no amount of practicing will let TSM/NA teams get on the level of the Koreans, which is an argument I just don't buy. Why not? If they practice properly hard enough why can't they beat Blaze/Sword? I just don't buy the argument that NA teams are so less talented than the Koreans that no amount of practice will let them beat or stand on the same level as the Koreans. Practice shouldn't be used like that. Sure, if you practice you get better. But that's like saying, if I practice just as hard as Michael Jordan, I have a chance againts him. NO, it doesn't work like that. It's more of a consistent base. I won't become the best basketball player in 1 year. Michael Jordan played basketball everyday for most part of his life. Koreans practice this game as 5 man, every day from the moment they wake up to the moment they go sleep. They do that with a passion. I strongly doubt any NA teams all wake up at a certain time, all eat breakfast and get ready to start practicing before the time sun goes down. (on a daily basis, not just few weeks before the tournament) This is practice efficiency, not lets practice 1 month before the tourny (what? few days for TSM?) and hope we beat the best of the best that this game has to offer. No no no.... TSM stands no chance, the gap will grow bigger and bigger as time goes on. Practice is good yes, but consistency is what overshines more than anything. You saw how hard every single team got defeated by Najin and Blaze. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On November 06 2012 04:31 Ryuu314 wrote: I don't understand what you're trying to say/imply. Of course if they practice more they'll get different results. The excuse of "not practicing" isn't so much an excuse (imo) as it is an admission of laziness. If TSM, or any other NA team, takes practicing more seriously, then they can beat the Koreans. Unless, of course, you're trying to imply that no amount of practicing will let TSM/NA teams get on the level of the Koreans, which is an argument I just don't buy. Why not? If they practice properly hard enough why can't they beat Blaze/Sword? I just don't buy the argument that NA teams are so less talented than the Koreans that no amount of practice will let them beat or stand on the same level as the Koreans. It's a lame excuse, but there's some kernels of truth hidden within it. In my experience people around their age rarely have learned the importance of being prepared and working past small issues. If anything, this really shows the value of having a dedicated and competent manager. With a manager these problems can be avoided. While the players focus on playing, the manager plans, prepares, and heads off potential issues. When an unforeseen problem does occur, the manager tackles it with all the urgency and haste it deserves while the coach finds meaningful activities to fill in any gaps in the schedule. In many ways it's basic business acumen, downtime is almost never acceptable. It really makes a world of difference when you have someone dedicated to the logistics behind everything. It's why large guilds in MMORPGs tend to separate the roles of guild leader and raid leader. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
On November 06 2012 04:31 Ryuu314 wrote: I don't understand what you're trying to say/imply. Of course if they practice more they'll get different results. The excuse of "not practicing" isn't so much an excuse (imo) as it is an admission of laziness. If TSM, or any other NA team, takes practicing more seriously, then they can beat the Koreans. Unless, of course, you're trying to imply that no amount of practicing will let TSM/NA teams get on the level of the Koreans, which is an argument I just don't buy. Why not? If they practice properly hard enough why can't they beat Blaze/Sword? I just don't buy the argument that NA teams are so less talented than the Koreans that no amount of practice will let them beat or stand on the same level as the Koreans. you think if TSM practiced as hard as they could for Dallas, they would've been able to beat a Korean team in a series? | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
On November 06 2012 09:23 Live2Win wrote: I just wanted to put this up + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGDBR2L5kzI perfect, lol | ||
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ProV1
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Ryuu314
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JSH
United States4109 Posts
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
On November 06 2012 16:40 Ryuu314 wrote: I want to emphasize that I specifically said practice properly. NA teams, like TSM, don't practice properly/well. But I do believe that the talent is there, the NA teams just don't do anything to nurture it. The same is true for bw, sc2, dota, and just about every other game that Korean/Asian teams dominate. It's true, but it's a pointless statement because it just doesn't happen. | ||
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