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On November 05 2012 04:00 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 03:57 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On November 05 2012 03:56 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Time and time again, I've noticed this. Blaze does the nice little lane swap. But Blaze always 100% pushes the tower and gets it down asap. All other teams just try and zone and leave the tower up forever. Then 4 members gank and Blaze trashes the enemy with map control. Create a low economy game, force pressure, create your own timing windows, get items faster and then kill people. Npnp. it also has its weaknesses, if you have an active mid and jungler, you can stall out the midgame pushes from blaze, and then win it in lategame. A really strong jungler like lilballz could completely shut down this strat imo.
CLG's play style means they have a very passive mid lane with Snoopeh having to pick up the slack. Proper planning and warding means they can push right with impunity.
We'll have an analysis on team player styles in the Worlds Review when we finally publish.
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On November 05 2012 04:00 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 03:59 Sunaj wrote:
Welp, guess this is the last game of the week-end for me. #forever sad CLG fanboi *both teams* Wut? I am sure CLG is pretty content with this weekend. Took place 3 and 4, best non-Korean teams and both in the prize money.
considering clg.eu had sub, no practice because of all the vacations.
clg.na's new roster change, they should be happy with 3rd and 4th.
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On November 05 2012 04:00 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 03:59 Sunaj wrote:
Welp, guess this is the last game of the week-end for me. #forever sad CLG fanboi *both teams* Wut? I am sure CLG is pretty content with this weekend. Took place 3 and 4, best non-Korean teams and both in the prize money.
I do agree, but for now I'm still sad they're out :<
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Guys, please analyze for me. What is EU doing wrong at the moment?
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I am not 100% convinced that Lustboy is not just trolling and buying random items to see what the casters say to justify it.
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On November 05 2012 04:01 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 04:00 wei2coolman wrote:On November 05 2012 03:57 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On November 05 2012 03:56 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Time and time again, I've noticed this. Blaze does the nice little lane swap. But Blaze always 100% pushes the tower and gets it down asap. All other teams just try and zone and leave the tower up forever. Then 4 members gank and Blaze trashes the enemy with map control. Create a low economy game, force pressure, create your own timing windows, get items faster and then kill people. Npnp. it also has its weaknesses, if you have an active mid and jungler, you can stall out the midgame pushes from blaze, and then win it in lategame. A really strong jungler like lilballz could completely shut down this strat imo. CLG's play style means they have a very passive mid lane with Snoopeh having to pick up the slack. Proper planning and warding means they can push right with impunity. We'll have an analysis on team player styles in the Worlds Review when we finally publish.
yeah, it's also an issue that snoopeh isn't getting the farm he needs, ergo his map presence is always weaker than enemy jungler. Also if you saw the early engagement against olaf near wraiths, (at like level 2-3), froggen wasn't even that pushed, but froggen didn't move a cm to help out snoopeh
On November 05 2012 04:02 shinarit wrote:
Guys, please analyze for me. What is EU doing wrong at the moment?
snoopeh jungles got wrecked, underleveld underfarmed (happens every fucking game), got wrecked in jungle early on, didn't get red exp or gold, continually got stuff stolen from him.
Wicked lost top, strong ganks from helios made it hell for wick'd, snoopeh also stupidly dying in top lane right after tower fallign down.
tried to force dragon without snoopeh's ulti.
yellowpete not abusing his 2v1 lane advantage enough imo.
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On November 05 2012 04:00 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 03:57 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On November 05 2012 03:56 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Time and time again, I've noticed this. Blaze does the nice little lane swap. But Blaze always 100% pushes the tower and gets it down asap. All other teams just try and zone and leave the tower up forever. Then 4 members gank and Blaze trashes the enemy with map control. Create a low economy game, force pressure, create your own timing windows, get items faster and then kill people. Npnp. Coming from dota it's so weird how Western teams don't really care about towers then Asians teams basically play how Navi/CIS play dota to an extent. Really interesting how it's switched around.
It's perhaps not that surprising considering that even in Starcraft, Koreans tend to favour aggressive strategies. The Chinese teams tend to be much more passive and controlling focusing on getting farm onto the first position (see iG, WE).
Still, the contrast between how DotA and LoL teams play is indeed quite interesting.
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On November 05 2012 04:02 shinarit wrote:
Guys, please analyze for me. What is EU doing wrong at the moment?
They picked Kog into Azubu Blaze. Blaze is notorious for forcing a 2v1 lane and taking towers incredibly fast. This causes incredibly low economy games (where Kog is weakest). CLG had no counter to it.
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On November 05 2012 04:02 shinarit wrote:
Guys, please analyze for me. What is EU doing wrong at the moment?
At the moment there is no right or wrong. Its just over. :D
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wow...Blaze is going to gg Eu in sub 20 minutes lol
Eu can't even surrender gg
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Jesus those gold numbers....EU getting murdered.
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On November 05 2012 04:01 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 04:00 wei2coolman wrote:On November 05 2012 03:57 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On November 05 2012 03:56 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Time and time again, I've noticed this. Blaze does the nice little lane swap. But Blaze always 100% pushes the tower and gets it down asap. All other teams just try and zone and leave the tower up forever. Then 4 members gank and Blaze trashes the enemy with map control. Create a low economy game, force pressure, create your own timing windows, get items faster and then kill people. Npnp. it also has its weaknesses, if you have an active mid and jungler, you can stall out the midgame pushes from blaze, and then win it in lategame. A really strong jungler like lilballz could completely shut down this strat imo. CLG's play style means they have a very passive mid lane with Snoopeh having to pick up the slack. Proper planning and warding means they can push right with impunity. We'll have an analysis on team player styles in the Worlds Review when we finally publish.
Froggen isn't passive at all on Ahri, but they were on the backfoot too early to do their regular dives with her.
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10k gold lead in 17 min. Is this the highest gap we've ever seen in competitive play? I think even CLG.na v NaJin wasn't this bad.
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Maybe smarter for Kog to get bloodthirster asap in low econ game? Or is PD still the best option?
or maybe even witts end?
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Pickaxe into Zeal Ashe. Not sure what I think about that. Admittedly, not that it matters right now.
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On November 05 2012 04:06 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
10k gold lead in 17 min. Is this the highest gap we've ever seen in competitive play? I think even CLG.na v NaJin wasn't this bad.
What about that 25min surrender from frost against TPA in g3? I forgot what the gold difference was.
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didnt expect this, but this is probably the biggest stomp of the tournament so far, but clg.eu with really weird picks and again really inferior early game.
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On November 05 2012 04:04 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 04:02 shinarit wrote:
Guys, please analyze for me. What is EU doing wrong at the moment? They picked Kog into Azubu Blaze. Blaze is notorious for forcing a 2v1 lane and taking towers incredibly fast. This causes incredibly low economy games (where Kog is weakest). CLG had no counter to it.
Yeah, i didnt understand that. But it was the same in the first game. And i know that Jax is bestest duelist, but Wickd should be godmode on Irelia, right? So why he got shat on?
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On November 05 2012 04:07 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Pickaxe into Zeal Ashe. Not sure what I think about that. Admittedly, not that it matters right now.
I assume the fast zeal is more for the early movespeed than anything. Jack likes his mobility.
Fast pickaxe for the early teamfight ofc.
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