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On October 06 2012 05:56 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 05:54 CeriseCherries wrote:On October 06 2012 05:51 Azarkon wrote:
I don't need to know LoL to understand that when you are unable to win a game from a sizable lead both games, you aren't on the same level. well thats completely disregarding the fact that they got the lead so that statement can be "i dont need to know about LoL to know that when a team gets leads consistently, its the better team" iG needs to work on some later game stuff Honestly, Kid, PDD, and Zzitai are all very good. Problem is just Xiaoxiao going explorer mode and Illusion not having good reflexes/awareness. While you have to give iG's opponent's credit for holding through the early game deficits and coming back with great plays, iG also makes some really terrible decisions that are basically them throwing due to Xiaoxiao and Illusion's sub-par play.
It happens all the time in SC 2 and Dota 1 / 2: NA / EU players get a lead early / mid game, are unable to close out the game, get rolled by better decision making and execution from the opponent.
We even have a term for it - going 'full foreigner.' In Dota 2, people just call it 'throwing the game.'
Except in LoL, it's sort of reversed with the Chinese teams, who are able to gain leads but aren't able to close games. Not sure about the Koreans yet. I imagine they have better late game decision making, but we're going to see.
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On October 06 2012 05:56 Arbax wrote:
honestly, just looks like IG throwing really hard? lol... I know i'll get shot for this, but honestly they had the lead, had the better late game comp potentially, then they start overaggressing pointlessly, and gives up lead... half of those fights they should have been happy with a few kills and backed off, but got greedy and kept running in when they didnt have a clear advantage... Vlad thinks his god from 10 minutes... sad... they looked like they had a shot...
on the other hand M5 stayed nice and calm, took there edge when they had it and backed off when they did not... clearly M5 much better team in every aspect then IG in this match.
You're pretty much right.
One of the biggest strengths of M5 is their resilience. Sometimes with Lee you make a few bad calls, it doesn't quite work and shit happens. M5 were quite far behind after the Vlad double kill and fail gank bot but they don't change their playstyle. They are somehow able to play with composure in a way that no other team can. They play exactly the same, even with a disadvantage and eventually pulled it out.
iG on the other hand changed their play once they got ahead, they tried to rush it and ended up paying a price.
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"We just pick broken heroes" -Alex Ich
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"We just pick broken Heros." Priceless. xD
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"we just pick broken heroes"
alex ich
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Just pick broken heroes. Awesome strat <3
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"We just pick broken heroes"
-Alex Ich
edit.
Months behind.
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That was a really good game imo
Sick comeback after such a shaky start :D
Also: Zilean!!!
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On October 06 2012 05:56 AsnSensation wrote:
lol surrender ar eu kdding me
Nah, Its just the way Asian teams do it when they are really behind and get no chance of getting back. I think It got inheret from Starcraft when one will GG if he has no chance to win, not waiting for his opponent to kill all the building.
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On October 06 2012 06:01 Caphe wrote:Nah, Its just the way Asian teams do it when they are really behind and get no chance of getting back. I think It got inheret from Starcraft when one will GG if he has no chance to win, not waiting for his opponent to kill all the building.
Fantasy begs to differ.
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On October 06 2012 06:00 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 05:59 cascades wrote:
ZZZ all this talking up of pdd when he just threw the game again and again in the end. Justify that "Hype" plx. Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 05:58 TheYango wrote:On October 06 2012 05:56 henrikyo wrote:
PDD wasted this fucking game, 3rd time he got caught, in 8 minuets.
At least shen ulted under pool now.
PDD had a great start, but so fail mid/late game Again, those plays [by PDD] were fine. They were stronger at that point in time, and if Illusion played properly, the baits could have worked. The problem is Illusion being slow/not coordinating properly. You should always 100% be able to get Shen ult through with Vlad because Vlad can pool to protect your channel. Not ulting before the pool is inexcusably bad play from Illusion.
Certainly not the problem at endgame when pdd get chunked for free and lose the game for team.
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On October 06 2012 05:58 Doctorbeat wrote:
I'm thinking TPA vs Najin is going to be just as one-sided.
Unless Woong has some sort of extreme weak play, Najin is going to take it.
Woong is in neither of those teams.
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On October 06 2012 06:01 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 06:01 Caphe wrote:On October 06 2012 05:56 AsnSensation wrote:
lol surrender ar eu kdding me Nah, Its just the way Asian teams do it when they are really behind and get no chance of getting back. I think It got inheret from Starcraft when one will GG if he has no chance to win, not waiting for his opponent to kill all the building. Fantasy begs to differ.
Indeed. Its all about the timing
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On October 06 2012 06:01 Caphe wrote:Nah, Its just the way Asian teams do it when they are really behind and get no chance of getting back. I think It got inheret from Starcraft when one will GG if he has no chance to win, not waiting for his opponent to kill all the building.
Alex Ich said it perfectly.
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On October 06 2012 06:01 cascades wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 06:00 Ryuu314 wrote:On October 06 2012 05:59 cascades wrote:
ZZZ all this talking up of pdd when he just threw the game again and again in the end. Justify that "Hype" plx. On October 06 2012 05:58 TheYango wrote:On October 06 2012 05:56 henrikyo wrote:
PDD wasted this fucking game, 3rd time he got caught, in 8 minuets.
At least shen ulted under pool now.
PDD had a great start, but so fail mid/late game Again, those plays [by PDD] were fine. They were stronger at that point in time, and if Illusion played properly, the baits could have worked. The problem is Illusion being slow/not coordinating properly. You should always 100% be able to get Shen ult through with Vlad because Vlad can pool to protect your channel. Not ulting before the pool is inexcusably bad play from Illusion. Certainly not the problem at endgame when pdd get chunked for free and lose the game for team.
The game was over by that point, regardless and both teams knew it.
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On October 06 2012 05:56 Arbax wrote:
honestly, just looks like IG throwing really hard? lol... I know i'll get shot for this, but honestly they had the lead, had the better late game comp potentially, then they start overaggressing pointlessly, and gives up lead... half of those fights they should have been happy with a few kills and backed off, but got greedy and kept running in when they didnt have a clear advantage... Vlad thinks his god from 10 minutes... sad... they looked like they had a shot...
on the other hand M5 stayed nice and calm, took there edge when they had it and backed off when they did not... clearly M5 much better team in every aspect then IG in this match.
yeah... that one ace where they chased instead of taking dragon basically threw the entire game. They lost their lead and iG isn't the type of team to just turtle and take it to late game. But really, after that first overchase, they never really had the opportunity to run. M5 had a really good chase team.
I think at some point they have to just say, screw split pushing shen. It is clearly not helping us. They didn't so they kept losing 4v5s.
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Great interview, Alex answered questions really well.
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