EPT[IEM] New York Discussion - Page 99
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tissue
Malaysia441 Posts
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billy5000
United States865 Posts
On October 15 2011 10:31 tissue wrote: I think quite a few people are saying that in the Sypher-Crs match, Jax should have left the tower and continued to dominate top lane. I'd like to ask when it's appropriate to do that. It probably has to be a convergence of various specific conditions in the game. Generally I just take any tower when given a chance without reservations. same. i'm wondering as well | ||
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Craton
United States17242 Posts
On October 15 2011 06:31 Glasse wrote: I hope they go back to own3d because the stream quality is horrible, there are lag spikes which is causing the sound to go out of sync. It was fine yesterday but today it was just horrible. Probably is the venue. | ||
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DarkRise
1644 Posts
But yeh i rather keep tower up unless your 2 kills up early game | ||
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Pooshlmer
United States1001 Posts
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tyCe
Australia2542 Posts
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Promises
Netherlands1821 Posts
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Darkchylde
United States473 Posts
Open boots + 3 pots, dring, DFG, Void and blow some fools up. | ||
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
Unless they just skip showing game 3 and start showing SK vs CLG instead 0.0 | ||
Waxangel
United States33316 Posts
(mind you I sold out BW to cover SC2 in may) | ||
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NoobieOne
United States1183 Posts
On October 15 2011 12:16 3 Lions wrote: is it safe to assume that semifinal 2 will start a bit after 12:30 EDT? If the Fnatic vs Sypher series goes to all three games I would assume that it would end at about 1:00 PM EDT... Unless they just skip showing game 3 and start showing SK vs CLG instead 0.0 assuming it starts in time sure. Still why not watch Fnatic play. They play pretty unique and its fun to watch. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
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Craton
United States17242 Posts
On October 15 2011 12:47 Waxangel wrote: say hi to the fucking TL people there, even if you're loser LOL players and not manly SC2 players! (mind you I sold out BW to cover SC2 in may) You'll join the dark side soon. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On October 15 2011 10:53 Craton wrote: Always kill tower. Change wards and ganks appropriately. FALSE. Dont spout nonsense, especially if people are actually asking something and trying to get better. Killing a tower is generally the proper move after the laning phase ends. Prior to that, its often important to think about the pros and cons of the situation. Killing a tower does give you gold and a bit of map control, but its a double edged sword. A smart lane opponent will keep the wave as close to the second tower as possible, meaning that if you want to farm, you are going to have to extend very far into enemy territory. It shortens the gank distance from mid and from the jungle. This is exactly what we saw in the CRS vs Sypher game. Jax was killing nasus incredibly easily. By taking the top tower down, he let nasus farm within the relative saftey of his second tower. This meant that in order to farm, pobelter had to go into enemy territory, making aggression and farming much more risky. So while nasus was free to farm, jax had to roam around not actually doing anything helpful for his team. When he DID go top, GP had an easy time of walking from his wolves to get him off the creep wave while nasus farmed. So at the end of the game nasus was carrying with super amounts of farm, while Jax was failing miserably. Had Jax kept the tower up, he had the ability to farm both the creeps and nasus in the relative safety of top lane, rather than the enemy jungle. Nasus would have had nowhere to run to, and he likely would have been completely shut down. | ||
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Craton
United States17242 Posts
Further, they ended the lane phase quickly by killing the tower, which is exactly what you want vs Nasus. The team, however, failed to actually do anything with that and sat back passively and did nothing while letting Nasus afk farm top. Their problem was not that they killed the tower. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
I don't see how Jax could ever run away from Wither though so dying to ganks would be somewhat inevitable. There are other objectives on the map you can contest though. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13845 Posts
On October 15 2011 12:47 Waxangel wrote: say hi to the fucking TL people there, even if you're loser LOL players and not manly SC2 players! (mind you I sold out BW to cover SC2 in may) so what your saying is that tyler and sheth are starting a TL lol team to take over the moba world with maner and amazing? I really want vods for these matches I've missed all the clg games beacuse of class. Edit: I'm still waiting for CLG to actualy let SV to go jungle veigar and shock the world. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13845 Posts
On October 15 2011 12:16 3 Lions wrote: is it safe to assume that semifinal 2 will start a bit after 12:30 EDT? If the Fnatic vs Sypher series goes to all three games I would assume that it would end at about 1:00 PM EDT... Unless they just skip showing game 3 and start showing SK vs CLG instead 0.0 its probably what they just estimate that the next semi finals will go for. if it goes for 1 hour 20 minutes each game with like 20 minutes in-between thats over 4 and a half hours of content to go though before they get to the end. | ||
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Craton
United States17242 Posts
I don't see how Jax could ever run away from Wither though so dying to ganks would be somewhat inevitable. There are other objectives on the map you can contest though. Done properly, you've got wards covering any gank angle, plus flash and leap to minions or wards. I'm going to just cut off the inevitable response of "but Nasus had TP, it wouldn't be 5v4" because it's irrelevant. If you're actually forcing Nasus to TP in, he isn't farming his way back into the game. They had him 0/4 and underfarmed in lane -- they needed to force fights and they didn't. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
Taking a tower CAN be a good way to end the laning phase. However, If you take a tower at level 1, you are still going to have to go back to lanes simply because you cant do baron at level 1 with dorans blades. Now, it wasnt level 1, but CRS was to underfarmed to properly play out a 5v4 scenario on the rest of the map while nasus farmed. And even if Jax wards blue and river, all of the ganks came from wolves, which wouldnt have been warded, and the run distance for someone to get to safety was immense, especially when factoring in GP and Nasus slows. There is a reason that when you watch scrims you hear people ask if they should take towers when they have the option too. It isnt always the best decision simply because not only does that 1 person have to be ready, the rest of the team does as well. | ||
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