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On January 29 2015 09:50 Ketara wrote:
So you're saying that a Catalyst gives you better all in pressure than a Flask + Blasting Wand?
Catalyst gives you 200 HP. Blasting Wand gives you like 100 minimum extra damage in an all in fight. That's maybe not completely comparable, but I feel like there has to be some reason why pro players appear to have stopped buying ROA on Annie altogether.
No, I'm saying catalyst lets you stay alive in all-in pressure, and allows you to stay in lane after someone tries to all in you.
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I don't understand how a Flask and a damage item don't do that. Maybe I'm missing something.
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On January 29 2015 09:57 Ketara wrote:
I don't understand how a Flask and a damage item don't do that. Maybe I'm missing something.
Because a flask doesn't heal you instantly, it's good for sustaining in lane after small trades. Problem is if they all in you, you don't get to count the efficiency of the pot, cuz you just got all-in'd, you get maybe 50hp during that all-in from the flask. Which really isn't enough. Meanwhile, a catalyst will let you stay alive, and then continue staying in lane. Flask doesn't give enough upfront defensive capabilities to let you survive the all-in.
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The alternative to Catalyst is a shitload of biscuits (potions); no one gets flask. However, don't read this as a defense of wei2coolman.
No solo-lane Annie build involving either RoA or Rylai's goes mid (Morello, DCap, Zhonyas, Haunting, Void and rip DFG are all much higher priorities), so the HP-focussed Annie is a top lane exclusive.
Of the Top lane Annie games, at Gold+ most of them have RoA, probably to make lane sustain better. At the pro level no one plays Top lane Annie so the data isn't meaningful, but it's about 2-1 split of RoA -> Rylais vs straight Rylais. Also there is just some pure AP Top annie without any HP at all.
The OP is not very useful anyways because ignoring support shenanigans Haunting Guise fits better in burst-focussed Mid lane Annie. Even with the larger HP pool, Annie is still played like a burst caster (in the LPL Top Annie was built with rip DFG). Extremely defensive Annie builds in an attempt to fix her base stats and turn her into a true bruiser are basically mobafire tier.
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On January 29 2015 10:25 Zess wrote:
The alternative to Catalyst is a shitload of biscuits (potions); no one gets flask. However, don't read this as a defense of wei2coolman.
No solo-lane Annie build involving either RoA or Rylai's goes mid (Morello, DCap, Zhonyas, Haunting, Void and rip DFG are all much higher priorities), so the HP-focussed Annie is a top lane exclusive.
Of the Top lane Annie games, at Gold+ most of them have RoA, probably to make lane sustain better. At the pro level no one plays Top lane Annie so the data isn't meaningful, but it's about 2-1 split of RoA -> Rylais vs straight Rylais. Also there is just some pure AP Top annie without any HP at all.
The OP is not very useful anyways because ignoring support shenanigans Haunting Guise fits better in burst-focussed Mid lane Annie. Even with the larger HP pool, Annie is still played like a burst caster (in the LPL Top Annie was built with rip DFG). Extremely defensive Annie builds in an attempt to fix her base stats and turn her into a true bruiser are basically mobafire tier.
It's sort of popular in China, also saw it from looper in LPL (but he did non-RoA build and got dumpstered on, so there's that.)
For what it's worth. Quas just rekt as toplane Annie in soloqueue, by going Rylais first (Fills the same idea as RoA, but just supplemented lack of mana with better mana management, and supplemented health regen with tons of biscuits). Eventually getting DC+voidstaff+zhonya's+Banshee. Which is quite defensive considering the amount of raw defensive stats he's getting.
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Rylai DC Void Zhonya Banshee makes sense to me for a final build. But that would seem to suggest that you don't need any mana from items at all.
Which would be even more of a case for never buying ROA. Would also probably cut out things like Frozen Heart and Lich Bane.
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On January 29 2015 10:36 Ketara wrote:
Rylai DC Void Zhonya Banshee makes sense to me for a final build. But that would seem to suggest that you don't need any mana from items at all.
Which would be even more of a case for never buying ROA. Would also probably cut out things like Frozen Heart and Lich Bane.
It's called pots.
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On January 29 2015 10:25 Zess wrote:
The alternative to Catalyst is a shitload of biscuits (potions); no one gets flask. However, don't read this as a defense of wei2coolman.
No solo-lane Annie build involving either RoA or Rylai's goes mid (Morello, DCap, Zhonyas, Haunting, Void and rip DFG are all much higher priorities), so the HP-focussed Annie is a top lane exclusive.
Of the Top lane Annie games, at Gold+ most of them have RoA, probably to make lane sustain better. At the pro level no one plays Top lane Annie so the data isn't meaningful, but it's about 2-1 split of RoA -> Rylais vs straight Rylais. Also there is just some pure AP Top annie without any HP at all.
The OP is not very useful anyways because ignoring support shenanigans Haunting Guise fits better in burst-focussed Mid lane Annie. Even with the larger HP pool, Annie is still played like a burst caster (in the LPL Top Annie was built with rip DFG). Extremely defensive Annie builds in an attempt to fix her base stats and turn her into a true bruiser are basically mobafire tier.
I hate to be that guy but why is this thread still open then?
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Yeah I kind of agree. The OP is very clearly about tanky bruiser Annie. In fact, there is not a single pure damage item suggested.
Not that I think that's good I don't know, but if it's idiotic shouldn't the thread be closed and discussion of AP Mage Top Annie be moved to a legacy Annie thread?
Seems like if you're worried about "spreading misinformation" then a misinformative OP would be the place to start, rather than the replies that try to make the OP better.
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