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On March 03 2013 09:36 ticklishmusic wrote: I'm not a fan of Nashor's tooth really. its too much of a pure damage item for him. The thing is with his q ap and as are secondary defensive items. the cdr from locket and nashors make it 11 seconds between 84 ap ratio plus 300 heal. Every time he auto attacks a champion that goes down by 3 seconds. This gets very out of hand if they're not cc chaining you you'll be healing a ton for days.
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I think Spirit Visage is core on him. It gives him much needed MR/HP/CDR and the passive that raises the base heal of your rank 5 imbue to 264 and the AP ratio on yourself to 100.8% of your AP. If you auto attack a champion twice with max CDR the CD is 3.6 seconds. I'll guess that riot's going to remove the reduced CD on auto attack since he has such a retarded amount of sustain currently.
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I don't think AP is that good on Taric as he is, and that taking advantage of his passive mana scaling is better. This is kind of the same reasoning I go Crucible over Athene's. His spells have good ratios, but you have to be on top of someone to really use them. I like building Zephyr out of the Stinger-- it gives CDR, Tenacity (which is a must for bruiser), and attack/ movespeed. You get really strong sticking power with it.
Also, it feels better because going Visage/ IBG and Zephyr gives you max CDR. I think those and a Muramana are pretty much core on Taric. SV+ Zephyr just feels much stronger than Nashor's plus whatever other item. You're healing for more, tankier and have even more sticking power. You trade off a little burst for more sustained damage.
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Oh ya, I'm not recommending people stack AP but i'd be willing to argue that muramana+nashors+SV would be stronger then muramana+SV+zephyr, if only because I think that you shouldn't not really aiming to to crazy damage with Taric like you would with Jax or someone. I think he's best picked with a hyper carry and then you just peel/heal for the carry. This places you in the best situation to put your aura over your entire team and gives you a target to constantly autoattack to keep the heals coming.
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Building Nashor + SV in addition to IBG means you go over the CDR cap.
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Sooo I tried Taric top in a couple of normal games and it worked quite well, dunno if I should try it in ranked though because I might get reported for trolling, especially if I fail... I went IBG and SV, but most games ended there, what's the way to go after those 2 items ?
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what is the best recommended runes and masteries for taric top? I guess masteries 9/21/0 or 0/21/9 and mixed mpen/arpen reds, armor yellows, mres per level, mov speed quints?
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On March 03 2013 20:14 Lylat wrote: Sooo I tried Taric top in a couple of normal games and it worked quite well, dunno if I should try it in ranked though because I might get reported for trolling, especially if I fail... I went IBG and SV, but most games ended there, what's the way to go after those 2 items ?
Yeah, best not to play it in ranked until people know more about it. I was playing top Taric vs Olaf and gave first blood. They called me a troll and feeder. We didn't win that game, but I came out ahead in my lane and didn't do too badly during team fights. But yeah, I usually go IBG first, followed by a quick kindlegem for hp and cdr. After that it's whatever seems like the better choice, tabs/mercs, SV, Zephyr. I usually don't get to complete Zephyr though, so what do I build after?
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why play top taric when top nunu performs much better in almost every aspect
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On March 04 2013 11:06 Dark_Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 20:14 Lylat wrote: Sooo I tried Taric top in a couple of normal games and it worked quite well, dunno if I should try it in ranked though because I might get reported for trolling, especially if I fail... I went IBG and SV, but most games ended there, what's the way to go after those 2 items ? Yeah, best not to play it in ranked until people know more about it. I was playing top Taric vs Olaf and gave first blood. They called me a troll and feeder. We didn't win that game, but I came out ahead in my lane and didn't do too badly during team fights. But yeah, I usually go IBG first, followed by a quick kindlegem for hp and cdr. After that it's whatever seems like the better choice, tabs/mercs, SV, Zephyr. I usually don't get to complete Zephyr though, so what do I build after?
I've been going wits over nashors/zephyr. You are just about capped out for cdr with SV/IBG and the on hit is really nice with your passive.
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I (my team) got absolutely stomped by a Taric that built Seraphs, Liandrys, Zhonyas, Wits End and Lich Bane. His burst was insane, particularly midgame, and he was reasonably difficult to kill throughout the game with his heal, Zhonyas and W.
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On March 04 2013 13:00 101toss wrote: why play top taric when top nunu performs much better in almost every aspect
Taric brings hard CC, the ability to heal other people, and armor, AP, and AD auras. He also does significantly more damage on his own than Nunu (barring a full-channel ult).
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On March 04 2013 13:23 Amarok wrote: I (my team) got absolutely stomped by a Taric that built Seraphs, Liandrys, Zhonyas, Wits End and Lich Bane. His burst was insane, particularly midgame, and he was reasonably difficult to kill throughout the game with his heal, Zhonyas and W.
Sounds like he was super fed though.
Feel like IBG gives really nice damage, I haven't settled on a 6 item build (Can't make up my mind for last item) BUT: - IBG - SV - Wits - Randuins - I don't know. I want a mana item to take further advantage of the passive, was thinking muramana but I want the IBG as fast as possible because it feels really strong in duels vs any AD champ and not sure about an early tear, I could be wrong though, Guinsoos could also be hilariously troll as a last item. I'd probably go banshees vs a heavy AP comp
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Have people tried jungling Taric after the remake? I've done it twice in normal drafts for testing purposes (and first time for laughs), his clear is pretty good and it didn't felt like I needed red nor the full exp so I gave the 1st to the adc which was pretty brutal (in both cases it was to a Cait) and allowed me to focus entirely on mid and top since bot won on it's own.
Thoughts? Too gimmicky/cheesy for being reliable?
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Taric jungle works, for last items id get a muramana
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Jungle Taric is actually the latest FOTM now lol
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On March 04 2013 16:55 schmutttt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 13:23 Amarok wrote: I (my team) got absolutely stomped by a Taric that built Seraphs, Liandrys, Zhonyas, Wits End and Lich Bane. His burst was insane, particularly midgame, and he was reasonably difficult to kill throughout the game with his heal, Zhonyas and W. Sounds like he was super fed though.
He was but he had an incredibly strong early game which I think contributed to that.. The early ap made him incredibly hard to deal with for our top (Ap Nidalee) who kept remarking on the a huge amount of damage he was doing. He got three kills and one death in the laning phase, but he did dc for about 5 minutes mid game so he wasn't overwhelmingly ahead. It was a long game so most of the players had 4-5 full item builds by the end.
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The Taric just AFK farmed while everyone destroyed lane from what I saw... oh, and Westrice was the first to die on his team cuz he got red pot baited.
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just had another Taric top game, this champion is clearly super strong if played correctly and against all the melee bruisers top (so basically every top laner except champs like Elise or Vlad), you cannot be 1v1ed past a certain point and your burst is kinda amazing too, also sneaking an auto here and there during laning phase especially after a W is super cool damage.
My standard build nowadays is: - faerie charm + 3 red pots + 3 blue pots + ward: gives amazing sustain with Q spam and can save you vs early ganks with the ward
-1st buy: upgrade charm with tear (i stack at fountain with w and q) it helps getting an huge manapool so you can spam your abilities much more without going oom and also goes very well with your passive, giving you extra magic damage every auto vs champs, the damage output is quite amazing - if you have money get a chain vest too or buy boots
- 1st item is gonna be soul shroud: more mana, cdr and armor already makes you amazing in lane, you can trade and force enemy bruisers out of lane really soon with this, if you can afford it get a kindlegem too, more health needed at this point (15 minutes more or less) and more cdr
-get frozen fist, sheen proc with your passive outputs an amazing magic damage from autos, more mana and ap again work very well and the slow proc is so cool when you peel for your adc or you need to close distances with their melees or even carries if you get unto them, at this point if you 1v1 their carries you can kill them with w+auto+ult and autos to follow, you can stun them every 6-7 seconds at this point, while you perma-sustain yourself and an ally nearby, it's pretty amazing.
-from the kindlegem i get a spirit visage, at this point you'll have plenty of armor and the mres you get from this will seal the deal vs their ap carries, also upgrades your cdr to 20% making it a flat 30% only from items (frozen fist gets 10% for you) not to mention masteries or runes.
-at this point you can almost build whatever, i like items like aegis -> bulwark gives more defensive stats to you and the team, making you almost impossible to be killed, abyssal scepter for double AP team and also decreases the MR for the enemy team, really good for your AP carry, from tear i get muramana not seraph because the shield, while being nice, doesnt really makes sense because you're already unkillable, if you proc muramana your damage is seriously big instead, which at this point you need in lategame to kill carries that have built some resistances or health.
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