EPT[Champion] Rengar - Page 2
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Shiv.
3534 Posts
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Solaris.playgu
Sweden480 Posts
What I'm looking at then is going something like: HoG, Necklace, Mercs, Aegis/Zeke's, Randuin's, Aegis/Zeke's, followed by whatever really, most likely Mallet + FoN or something. Should be a very well rounded build, offering a ton of tankiness, more than enough damage and a wealth of teamfight utility with two aura-items. Seems like it should be good right? Only problems I can see is a lack of mr before FoN, so if their ap is getting scary you should probably throw in a negatron somewhere as per usual. Gonna start trying this out as soon as I can | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
It's awful expensive for just HP/CDR. | ||
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
Without GA popping. That empowered W so strong. | ||
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Schwopzi
Netherlands954 Posts
On September 21 2012 03:01 Shiv. wrote: so Rengar seems really really good after this patch. Are there any thoughts on how tanky you should get before starting to get some AD? I haven't been able to really play him because of time restraints, but I'm toying with the idea of getting some DBlades/Phage/Aegis/BT, but it seems really lackluster defense wise. Should I throw a Warden's Mail or a spirit Visage in there somewhere before working on BT? I mean, it obviously depends on how the game is going, but I'd like to get a general idea before I start experimenting wildly. You can start off with some ad if you're toplaning or having a good start in the jungle. If you use your W's spread out you have 6 seconds of high mr/ar; which is enough for small skirmishes. I've been running a bit of defenseive boots of choice -> 1 dorans -> BT -> GA on toplane rengar. If you don't use your ult to initiate in teamfights, but to get out and in again, you have to get focussed down 3 times in a row before you're actually dead giving you ample survivability. Though always think about your team composition before you decide what route to go; oftentimes you just have to be that tanky peeling frontline and you're best off stacking 2+ defensive items before focussing on more damage then necklace. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On September 21 2012 18:30 Schwopzi wrote: You can start off with some ad if you're toplaning or having a good start in the jungle. If you use your W's spread out you have 6 seconds of high mr/ar; which is enough for small skirmishes. I've been running a bit of defenseive boots of choice -> 1 dorans -> BT -> GA on toplane rengar. If you don't use your ult to initiate in teamfights, but to get out and in again, you have to get focussed down 3 times in a row before you're actually dead giving you ample survivability. Though always think about your team composition before you decide what route to go; oftentimes you just have to be that tanky peeling frontline and you're best off stacking 2+ defensive items before focussing on more damage then necklace. Been going like, boots3 -> double dorans -> phage -> necklace(if getting a kill or not getting shit on, sometimes before phage!) -> bt -> tf -> GA. sorta jayceish build. blow up squishies sooo fast | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
It's probably a bit impractical, but I liked Warmog's on him. With W's resists being pretty good and the heal being % of your health, I like the idea of getting at least a Giant's belt early on, though I like how this guide recommends HoG/Kindle early, might be a better version. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
9/21/0 AD/AD/armor/MR boots + 3 for both AP and AD Rengar. Anyone have any insights? | ||
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Schwopzi
Netherlands954 Posts
On September 23 2012 04:54 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: I think AP Rengar is a really strong counter to Malphite top lane, which is pretty weird. Does anyone have any experience with this in any matchup? I think you just open kage + blasting wand or something, though I think switching over to AD with a thirster might be good at some point. Anyway, looking for some help with build/runes/masteries, I'm thinking 9/21/0 AD/AD/armor/MR boots + 3 for both AP and AD Rengar. Anyone have any insights? I haven't played the matchup, so take what I say with a grain of salt. Maxing W alone should be enough to win trades pretty hard. Typical engage with 2+ stacks, spreading w's so you get maximum defensive uptime, disengage when malphite uses E, use brush to re-engage should win you the lane handily. The only way I see malphite winning the lane is with heavy jungle assistance, so i feel spending money on ap items first is just a waste. ps. I know the guide needs some updating but for some random reason I think rengar will get nerfed in the near future and things that work currently (like almost anything) might not work anymore. | ||
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Kyhron
United States945 Posts
On September 26 2012 01:13 Schwopzi wrote: I haven't played the matchup, so take what I say with a grain of salt. Maxing W alone should be enough to win trades pretty hard. Typical engage with 2+ stacks, spreading w's so you get maximum defensive uptime, disengage when malphite uses E, use brush to re-engage should win you the lane handily. The only way I see malphite winning the lane is with heavy jungle assistance, so i feel spending money on ap items first is just a waste. ps. I know the guide needs some updating but for some random reason I think rengar will get nerfed in the near future and things that work currently (like almost anything) might not work anymore. Ive actually run into this matchup a few times in the past couple of days of spamming rengar games. Be aggressive on him and force trades. Youve got way more sustain then him and will come out ahead every time. I like going qwe my first 3 levels so I can keep his shield low or down with constant e harass. Abuse bushes and pounce on him as soon as he goes for cs. You should be able to kill him at 4/5 if not early with an empowered w full burst combo if hes around half health. I like getting either a kindlegem or bruta with my first buy then the other on the second buy. Depending on who their jungler is you can even shove the lane then go take parts of their jungle or ult and hunt down their jungler. You just want to be an annoying ass whenever you can. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
i go arpen/arpen/armor/armor or arpen/arpen/mr/mr depending on the lane 9/21/0 or 21/9/0, but usually the former boots + 3, doran's blade (or 2) / bonetooth necklace, brutalizer or BF sword, mercs is your early core in top lane i just go nuts. no one can stand up to you, you have no mana or even cooldown restrictions, you'll be runed against their damage and your damage will basically be true damage for the first few levels. i don't skill my first point until i know how the lane is going to play out. against garen i would take E so he can't run up and have his way with me. against wukong i would take Q since i know he wants to trade often. E against vladimir because vlad usually runs MS everything and he will back off at any attempt you make to get into melee range of him. by level 3 i generally have a point in each skill although sometimes in very easy lanes i'll have QEQ instead bonetooth in any lane that you get an early kill. actually, bonetooth is worth it even if you're slightly behind. only time i'll opt for d-blade is if i get ganked before i have 800 or so gold. you'll have bonetooth by the time you're 6, at which point you can roam for a free kill mid/top or kill your lane opponent at any time. then farm til about 1800 or so, getting either a bruta and boots pieces or a BF sword. when you can manage it, the most optimal combo i've found is get 4 stacks of rage, leap -> Q (charges rage to full) -> empowered Q -> E immediately and spam W -> your normal Q will come up as E finishes -> ignite if necessary -> ult to give yourself another leap if they're still alive -> empowered Q. hanging around at 4 stacks in lane is very beneficial because it allows you to: (a) E an enemy jungler to slow them, then empowered E enemy laner to ensure your escape (b) W -> empowered W to aoe a wave down and heal (c) leap from brush Q -> empowered Q for massive burst in top lane final build is mercs, BT, last whisper, GA, triforce, bonetooth necklace i usually don't find much need for further defense outside of that. sometimes aegis instead of triforce also of note, i've found phage before BF to generally be the wrong move. the pure damage is too important. if you need a mid-tier item, get bruta instead. phage is an item to get only after you stop instagibbing everyone and need and extra hit or so to do the job do not get attack speed items on rengar, he's a burst champ. | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
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mistax
United States415 Posts
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courtpanda
866 Posts
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
Gets kind of insane after you get your 9th kill. Props to Categorist for informing me | ||
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Mr.Zip
United States20 Posts
I run 9-21-0 and have been switching between arpen, ad, and 3as/6arpen reds trying to see what works best. Yellow armor, blue magic resist per level and MS quints. I'm going Q-W-E-W-W-R and maxing R, W, Q, E in that order. I go mercs or tabi depending on the other team, hog, wriggles and phage -> trinity with the necklace somewhere in there. It's pretty similar to what the OP is recommending but he feels weak. Anybody have a better way to build him or some general tips? | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
I don't think going HoG is that great on him, since his Q makes early extra AD so good. Wriggles seems pretty unnecessary, given his W gives him plenty of sustain, and the doran's blades provide an more immediate payoff. | ||
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Gaslo
Finland951 Posts
 ) I am hoping on making Rengar my top lane pick for S3, but cant really find any vods on him played against the normal FOTM top laners. Thinking of going something that Dyrus did on his stream, funfire, SV, GA, just generally very tanky and empowered W:s keeping me alive until tomorrow... But we will see, Hard to practice now, with all those juicy S3 items coming. | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
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soverelgne
United Kingdom72 Posts
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