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On July 01 2013 11:52 Phunkapotamus wrote:
My only gripe about OnlyRengar is that he tries to win the lane through brute force and won't do it via attrition. It's not the best option Rengar has but it's certainly a viable option when you're behind in lane to a melee fighter. Whoring W heals is something i'd like to see him to do more.
It sure makes for some interesting matches though.
Old W made it really good to get 1 point in then only use when it was empowered but new W is never worthwhile to max in lane and 1 point worth of healing is pitiful. It can save your life occasionally and always get 1 point to stack ferocity but "whoring W heals" is hardly the way to win lane against any top laner nowadays
OnlyRengar streaming if anyone is interested
http://solomid.net/livestream.php?s=9690
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Rengar heals the same amount regardless of W level. The way it should be. If empowered Q were strong as rank 5 Q and empowered E were as strong as rank 5 E then you'd see a lot more dynamic decision making on Rengar instead of just "Herpaderp I maxed W, time to use emp W"
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Max E is so absurdly strong right now, all you do is jump out of bushes and bola them for harass until they can't stay in lane any longer
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Wasn't it always the case, when you were playing top?  People were at least advocating it against ranged.
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On July 04 2013 08:54 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Max E is so absurdly strong right now, all you do is jump out of bushes and bola them for harass until they can't stay in lane any longer
I also prefer to max E first than Q. IT leads you to more empowered stacks more often, which i favor more than the higher burst of maxed Q 1st.
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What do people build on rengar when maxing E?
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I build pure damage. Usually a Tiamat/Bilgewater depending on lane into brutalizer, cdr or defense boots and just faceroll your way to victory. Rengar is pretty good rgiht now. As others have pointed out E max is great in lane and once you hit 6 you basically get a free kill on top, mid or jungler every time the ult is up.
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As the guy above said - pure damage, I personally prefer to start with CDR items such as brutalizer and kindlegem to enhance my lane phase with more empowered stacks, I mean the gameplan is harass with E and when empowered - trade until he is gone or dead
Then bonetooth, bloodthurster, last whisper, bruta>black cleaver. I also prefer the swiftness boots, it helps you catch up with faster champs and also when u are out of ulti, moreover they save me in teamfights where i kill adc/apc and wanna run out of the fight but the endless slows are all on me Finally (or a bit earlier depend on the game) I upgrade the kindlegem to smth usually defensive as spirit visage. Spirit visage is great on rengar, especially when the enemies have a resets based ap b...ch like katarina) but u may always go Locket or the jungle item(always forget its name) for general survivability or u can even go for an extra damage with Zeke Herald
p.s. I actually copied this build from Dekar (best Rengar NA), I tried others with Hydra with BotRK, more tanky etc. but this one I liked the most, makes your lane phase great vs "lesser creatures" and decent vs hard times like Jax, Riven and even Renekton/Darius. It also gives you great split pushing power, maybe not as much as Hydra's but you still split push in no time coz of the faster empowered procs and last but not least your burst is good enough to one shot adcs and most of the apcs) and when u get BT and LW u sometimes one shot even tanks.
p.p.s I also think that BT > BotRK on Rengar. Rengar has its steroids for AS, while the AD and Crits coming from BT are way superior.
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lol dekar's my old friend from s1
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I just saw a Hecarim that ganked like 4 times for 4 kills by minute 10 before I'd even ganked once. I started no machete and just tried to do a last whisper build because I think LW adds the most damage late game to my burst. Not sure though.
He cleared faster than me due to machete but I think I outscaled him since he bought so much movespeed and the spirit item didn't help. I counterganked two or three times and somehow won. I think LW is the best item you can get on Rengar for bursting anyone down. But it's also the slowest for clearing and you may want health pots to stay at full health.
Also I was wrong about triple Q on page 5. Rincent does it right. Get 2(+) stacks then you can activate your ult. Rengar ult delivers at most 5 stacks.
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I just learned that Rengar's Q can be used while in stealth, and then he can still jump if done immediately after.
This likely has to do with how he can leave the brush and still have a split second to jump to someone. The implications are, that if you don't have to jump on someone to get close, and you have 5 stacks on your Q already, you can get one more auto into your rotation slightly faster since you don't combine the jump and empowered Q into one attack. In addition, if the target immediately flashes after you Q, you can still catch them.
I've stopped going for no spirit jungles. I get a madreds razor now and I mean to sell it later in the game but end up usually converting it to a wriggles because I forget. Wriggles is nice sustain and buff killing but doesn't give much burst, which if you're playing Rengar, is probably your top priority. If you sell razor then it sets your late game build back 210 gold and your early game build back 700 gold, but the clear speed might be worth it.
Rengar's been hurt by a lot of the nerfs eg: to jungle camps spawning at 1:55+ (he needed to build up stacks on wraiths to get an earlier empowered Q or a gank), to big buff monsters giving less experience (he was a good invader), to the oracles change allowing it to stay after death (Rengar needs stealth)... etc. Still feels ok.
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So I've been doing some NinFang rengar (Korean rengar) inspired by his 31-0 Rengar
Q>W>Q>E>Q>R then R>Q>W>E
start Fortpot and 3 pots
NinFang runs 18AD 12Armor Runes and 21-9-0 Masteries and Ignite/Flash
Lane phase charge up Q while farming to get 4 ferocity by lv2. Against some champs you can all in them at lv2 otherwise lv3 cause Rengar has a 100-0 combo. (jump, Q, QW multicast, W+auto+ignite)
Get 2dblades and boots preferrably at first back
Core items: Black Cleaver, Bonetooth, Last Whisper, Zerkers/Mobility
I didn't have the same success but its really effective in Gold 1 MMR. (I personally went 16-5 using this strategy)
This is likely impossible after his rework, I didn't really read into it lol
Rengar 1v2 botlane by NinFang
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What's this empowered Rengar q/w bug I've been hearing about?
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On August 30 2013 08:50 deathray797 wrote:
What's this empowered Rengar q/w bug I've been hearing about?
Your empowered W and E don't actually use up ferocity until after the spell finishes its cast animation, which is somewhat significant. So what you can do is get full fury, mash W+E and then Q really fast. If you do it fast enough, you'll get off an empowered W and E AND have an empowered Q up. This lets you essentially get double Q, W, and E for silly amounts of damage.
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On August 30 2013 12:44 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 08:50 deathray797 wrote:
What's this empowered Rengar q/w bug I've been hearing about? Your empowered W and E don't actually use up ferocity until after the spell finishes its cast animation, which is somewhat significant. So what you can do is get full fury, mash W+E and then Q really fast. If you do it fast enough, you'll get off an empowered W and E AND have an empowered Q up. This lets you essentially get double Q, W, and E for silly amounts of damage.
Rengar free week, came here looking for guides on how to build him nowadays. This sounds too much fun to pass up here.
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So while I've been having a ton of fun playing this guy as a heavy splitpusher/AD assassin, can this guy still be playable as tanky?
Like one or two Kindlegems into SV, then Warmogs/Omen etc.?
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On September 13 2013 09:28 sung_moon wrote:
So while I've been having a ton of fun playing this guy as a heavy splitpusher/AD assassin, can this guy still be playable as tanky?
Like one or two Kindlegems into SV, then Warmogs/Omen etc.?
I think smash plays him with SV but no one I know of builds full Tank Rengar. Imo he doesn't have enough CC and unlike Alistar doesn't have 70% damage reduction for 7 seconds which are two of the main things you look for in tanks. Other tanks like Zac can at least initiate from a long range. I've tried full tank Rengar and felt nearly worthless late game.
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You have to build Rengar pure damage otherwise he does nothing late game. Just look at his kit.
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I go mercs,ravenous,blade,tooth,LW & BC. For that papertiger pwnage. Can switch blade for BT or LW for some survivability item. If required by situation. This is when I jungle and I'm really low so don't put to much stock in my opinion ^^
I've seen some tankier builds and some builds with crit in them but I prefer that brutal reliable 100->0 damage.
When I get 9 stacks and the ski jump addon, life is good =) Triple Q all day...
Ps. The thing I like most about rengar is that feeling you put in people when you come from nowhere and just roll face. When playing against rengar I've literally felt my heart jump, no other hero can provoke that feeling...
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