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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
A lot of champs benefit from having more mana regen to clear fast and a little bit of MR mid, so I don't really get why every Galio player on earth would like one while other mids wouldn't. Just trying to understand. After reading you, it looks like it's because Bulwark gives sustain once you have it, but sustaining only with Bulwark implies staying in the middle of the lane, right ? Isn't that a little bit dangerous ? | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
On February 06 2012 08:06 Sponkz wrote: You need to discuss the fact, that he lanes very well against certain ad laners on top and it's bound to be a philo -> hog -> Frozen heart, because you want the armor, the cdr is nice and mana let's you trade hits with your opponents. I've actually had trouble laning against a lot of ADs. I've crushed Talon before, as you simply need to pop Bulwark if he goes in on you, and shove the lane on him. He has to choose between harassing you or saving creeps from being killed by tower. Garen and pirate eat you pretty much. Garen can't be forced out of lane by Galio due to his overall weak spells (all you have is Q, E does so little damage.). Garen is going to run at you and force you to waste Q or E to get away. Pirate is just going to Q you in the face and run at you with melee. Basically how I view it, is that anyone with a steroid/ability to dash around (Gator) will not be too good for Galio. I think Galio could do well against someone like Olaf or Irelia if you take it to her early. If she builds Wit's End or some other MR item, you're not going to hurt her really. Outside of Garen/GP, I don't have too much matchup experience vs any AD top. I get counter picked every time I try to Galio top. =\ Galio mid is by far the better choice. Edit: On February 06 2012 08:15 mr_tolkien wrote: Oh I get it that Chalice is indeed core on Galio, but why is he one of the only chars this is considered core on ? Is chalice simply underrated or does it have a special synergy with Galio ? A lot of champs benefit from having more mana regen to clear fast and a little bit of MR mid, so I don't really get why every Galio player on earth would like one while other mids wouldn't. Just trying to understand. After reading you, it looks like it's because Bulwark gives sustain once you have it, but sustaining only with Bulwark implies staying in the middle of the lane, right ? Isn't that a little bit dangerous ? No one else really benefits from a chalice. You ideally want sustain and AP in a mid typically, and chalice does not provide AP to anyone else other than Galio. Take Morgana for example. What is she going to benefit in with a chalice? Sure, a lot more mana regen, but Morg doesn't even have much trouble with mana management. She presses W and occasionally Q if she gets ganked. Catalyst is a lot better on her because it will give her all the sustain she needs. Constant pools which translates into plenty of health due to her passive. Cata will be built for a reason, as it will build right into ROA. Obviously Galio could do the same, but that is not what Galio is meant to be. He is meant to be a tank, not an AP carry. By buying ANYTHING with MR in it, you serve 2 purposes. Now to address Bulwark. It is a bit dangerous, which is why I try to let the wave push if I need to be healed. You can still attack the enemy mid/top, but you risk taking quite a bit of damage, even for a Galio with Bulwark shield. Let the wave push and they can only rely on skillshots to hurt you, even then not much damage can be done to you. | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
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Yiruru
Canada690 Posts
Philo is more or less my sustain. I Bulwark my Jungler when he's doing Wraiths, and when I need to soak up harass damage. The main reason I haven't really changed my build though, is I haven't found a need to. I can't remember the last time I was ever harassed out of my lane as Galio using this build. Most of my deaths in lane are from Junglers, and that's mainly because I never ward in Solo Q =] I avoid Top/Bruisers because it more or less forces you into armor builds, which is the one thing you don't want to be building when Bulwark gives a lot of armor anyways, you have decent AP Ratios, and MR works with your passive. Only one person has ever went Bruiser mid against me, and he overextended like hell to harass me and died to Jungler. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
No one else really benefits from a chalice. there are plenty of heroes chalice is good on, the item is really underused | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
On February 06 2012 09:08 UniversalSnip wrote: there are plenty of heroes chalice is good on, the item is really underused I have never seen it on anyone other than Galio. Someone just mentioned Malphite, but can you mention more? | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On February 06 2012 09:14 Cloud9157 wrote: I have never seen it on anyone other than Galio. Someone just mentioned Malphite, but can you mention more? anivia cho corki galio malphite orianna skarner yorick nasus warwick, off the top of my head additionally almost any matchup you can win with afk push opens up the possibility of a chalice to me, depending on the hero | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
On February 06 2012 09:43 UniversalSnip wrote: anivia cho corki galio malphite orianna skarner yorick nasus warwick, off the top of my head additionally almost any matchup you can win with afk push opens up the possibility of a chalice to me, depending on the hero I was thinking Cho and Anivia myself. Yorick makes plenty of sense. I'm looking too short I guess. Keep thinking that no one really wants MR so no one would build it. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On February 06 2012 08:00 Cloud9157 wrote: (LOL so hard whenever I see a Galio with cata...) Considering Banshee's is core on Galio, I don't see how getting a cata you're going to get eventually is bad, since it's an absurdly good laning tool. Also most champions who benefit from chalice benefit equally or greater from the mana sustain given by catalyst or tear, and those items build into useful lategame items. Galio gets absurd cost efficiency out of chalice early game because Tear isn't efficient on him (he clears waves with 2-3 spells as opposed to 6 or 7 like karthus/veigar), that said, it's perfectly reasonable to just go straight catalyst on Galio like other ap champs (who go RoA instead of Banshee's). Chalice's problem is being a dead end item on snowball heavy ap champs who want to hit certain ap thresholds for the killings. If it built into something that gave reasonable ap the same way catalyst builds into RoA, it'd be built a whole lot more. | ||
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Craton
United States17250 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
In a six item galio game I can't see not building it. Even if for some reason they have 0 AP damage you'd just get it after Frozen Heart and Randuins for the stats and passive in general. | ||
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rwrzr
United States1980 Posts
On February 06 2012 16:35 TwoToneTerran wrote: Considering lots of stuff interrupts galio ult, I think having Banshee's up on him before you initiate is a #1 priority. It allows you to ult on dudes like udyr without getting countered and losing the vast majority of your usefulness in a fight instantly. Also the whole cost efficiency of banshee's on galio because mr->ap blah blah. In a six item galio game I can't see not building it. Even if for some reason they have 0 AP damage you'd just get it after Frozen Heart and Randuins for the stats and passive in general. I'll be honest the small number of champions who can interrupt your ultimate just because they were pressing buttons is sometimes pretty frustrating. (See: Xin, Garen, Udyr) As a strange coincidence all 3 have fallen out of favor lately. Demacia and BEAR STYLEZ are not in vogue. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
The only way I can see not getting it is if their team is some absurd 5 ranged ads or something with no cc. You can't define your core build on those quirky situations (I mean you'd build a ninja tabi there instead of mercs :o). | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On February 06 2012 16:44 TwoToneTerran wrote: Well there's also casters who have a stun/silence/suppression/displacement (basically every ap mid in the game) or whatever who might be sitting too far back and will react to your ult with their cc. If they've only got one and you caught everyone else with cc (this isnt' as rare a situation as you might think!) then you get the full duration of your ult. Banshee's is just way too good on Galio. Perfect syngery with ult, perfect stats for a tanky champ who scales of MR and needs mana. It's everything he wants in an item besides armor! The only way I can see not getting it is if their team is some absurd 5 ranged ads or something with no cc. You can't define your core build on those quirky situations (I mean you'd build a ninja tabi there instead of mercs :o). Galio has a ton of wiggle room in his build and I find myself buying RoA more than Banshee's on him these days to be perfectly honest. With bulwark's absurd resists, HP is at a higher premium than resists in your itemization and RoA just gives you a heaping assload of good stats that Galio wants. frankly I'm a little surprised ruru never builds RoA on him, I think it's very stronk under certain circumstances (even though I guess I still usually do what he does with philo + chalice -> deathcap). | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
Udyr (bear stance) Garen (decisive strike) Twisted Fate (gold card) Xin Zhao (three talon strike) Renekton (ruthless predator) | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
Volibear (fling thing) | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
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freelander
Hungary4707 Posts
and leona | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On February 07 2012 05:01 Mogwai wrote: Galio has a ton of wiggle room in his build and I find myself buying RoA more than Banshee's on him these days to be perfectly honest. With bulwark's absurd resists, HP is at a higher premium than resists in your itemization and RoA just gives you a heaping assload of good stats that Galio wants. frankly I'm a little surprised ruru never builds RoA on him, I think it's very stronk under certain circumstances (even though I guess I still usually do what he does with philo + chalice -> deathcap). I very much agree with this. A sturdier galio who deals more damage is scarier than one who can be shut down for 45 seconds if he gets poked. Galio needs to play frontline while poking is going down because of how sturdy he is and because of the strong range + damage + followup potential attached to his pokes, which makes BV's shield far less useful. | ||
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