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De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
March 14 2012 05:45 GMT
#261
i dont like tear on yorick anymore. chalice or glacial shroud much better ^^
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Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-14 07:17:31
March 14 2012 07:14 GMT
#262
On March 14 2012 14:45 De4ngus wrote:
i dont like tear on yorick anymore. chalice or glacial shroud much better ^^


Cept they don't give you offensive stats. Manamune makes him actually do damage.

If you want to be all tanky never die spam ghouls that's fine and all, but if you're gonna get frozen heart/bv anyways why not get a manamune?
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
March 14 2012 09:28 GMT
#263
Tear is such a huge core item IMO because you already win trades/completely zone certain champs so hard with just AD runes that zoning them harder or trading even better isn't as big of a deal as having the mana to do so. The other options are viable, but unlike, say, Pantheon, who wants dblades to kill people, Yorick's game isn't so reliant on snowballing into an early lategame, so tear is fine. If you think you need the extra damage or armor or whatever, sure, skip tear, but I don't see the point in not getting it when it's so insane at keeping you doing what you do best.
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barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
March 14 2012 18:44 GMT
#264
On March 14 2012 16:14 Zdrastochye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 14:45 De4ngus wrote:
i dont like tear on yorick anymore. chalice or glacial shroud much better ^^


Cept they don't give you offensive stats. Manamune makes him actually do damage.

If you want to be all tanky never die spam ghouls that's fine and all, but if you're gonna get frozen heart/bv anyways why not get a manamune?


manamune doesnt give that much dmg, tbh. I really like tear, so I usually end up getting it on yorick anyways, but it's not for the dmg. If there were a defensive tear item, I would take it in a heartbeat
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Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
March 20 2012 02:24 GMT
#265
Bump. Is it just me, or does Xerath hardcounter Yorick top lane(I know, Xerath top lane, I'm not 30 yet)?

Just Locus-Chains-Pulse at level 4 takes out a huge amount of health, and even with E at 3 I can't sustain.
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barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-20 03:29:22
March 20 2012 03:28 GMT
#266
On March 20 2012 11:24 Praetorial wrote:
Bump. Is it just me, or does Xerath hardcounter Yorick top lane(I know, Xerath top lane, I'm not 30 yet)?

Just Locus-Chains-Pulse at level 4 takes out a huge amount of health, and even with E at 3 I can't sustain.


there are a couple of ap champs that just trash all melee champs. kennen and swain certainly number among them, and wouldn't be surprised if xerath did too. 100% certain there are some more but no1 is really interested in deviating from standard AP mids.
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anmolsinghmzn2009
Profile Joined June 2011
India1783 Posts
March 20 2012 06:15 GMT
#267
On March 15 2012 03:44 barbsq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 16:14 Zdrastochye wrote:
On March 14 2012 14:45 De4ngus wrote:
i dont like tear on yorick anymore. chalice or glacial shroud much better ^^


Cept they don't give you offensive stats. Manamune makes him actually do damage.

If you want to be all tanky never die spam ghouls that's fine and all, but if you're gonna get frozen heart/bv anyways why not get a manamune?


manamune doesnt give that much dmg, tbh. I really like tear, so I usually end up getting it on yorick anyways, but it's not for the dmg. If there were a defensive tear item, I would take it in a heartbeat


Since Yorick gets FH and veil as defensive items he should have like 3.5k mana. With manamune that's like 20+(0.02*3.5k)=90AD. That's pretty decent.
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broz0rs
Profile Joined July 2008
United States2294 Posts
April 13 2012 06:49 GMT
#268
Free Yorick week!

A question about his core item, Manamune

If I max the passive on Tear and I turn the item into Manamune, will the maxed passive transfer over to Manamune?
NpG)Explosive
Profile Joined January 2003
France994 Posts
April 13 2012 06:59 GMT
#269
On April 13 2012 15:49 broz0rs wrote:
A question about his core item, Manamune

If I max the passive on Tear and I turn the item into Manamune, will the maxed passive transfer over to Manamune?

Yes, you keep all your stacks when you turn upgrade the tear.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
April 13 2012 17:16 GMT
#270
I think Manamune is a great item on Yorick but a mistake I've been seeing on a lot of Yoricks during this free week is that they rush it after getting tears. Upgrading it too early isn't a great use of gold because you don't get much AD if it isn't sufficiently charged, and most of the time it's better to build a glacial or whatever situational item the lane calls for. But then again, I suppose this is just a more particular part of the whole "I have no idea wtf I'm doing with items in lane" where people build retarded things like wriggles against AP champs or rushing trinity when you're severely behind in lane.
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
April 13 2012 18:22 GMT
#271
On April 14 2012 02:16 koreasilver wrote:
I think Manamune is a great item on Yorick but a mistake I've been seeing on a lot of Yoricks during this free week is that they rush it after getting tears. Upgrading it too early isn't a great use of gold because you don't get much AD if it isn't sufficiently charged, and most of the time it's better to build a glacial or whatever situational item the lane calls for. But then again, I suppose this is just a more particular part of the whole "I have no idea wtf I'm doing with items in lane" where people build retarded things like wriggles against AP champs or rushing trinity when you're severely behind in lane.


i saw the same thing with urgot. The simple fact is that manamune as a first item is just garbage. It's basically like rushing atmas. Tear into [insert 1 or 2 items] into manamune is simply superior in every respect. The amount of difference i felt between tear -> bruta -> manamune and manamune rush on urgot was enormous, and is likely a similar situation with yorick.
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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
April 13 2012 18:34 GMT
#272
With yorick i've always gone since when he was "terrible" on release

Tear >lvl 1 boots >Catalyst > lvl 2 boots > banshees > atma's > manamune. Always done very well with him too. though i also always max W over E too.
bokeevboke
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Singapore1674 Posts
June 21 2012 10:37 GMT
#273
just bought him. Played like 5 games, all jungles. I wonder if anyone considers Yorick too strong, or is it because I play on low levels. Sometimes I have a bad start (like 0/4/1) but then I stomp them in mid-lagegame like nothing happened. And I don't have any particular build order or strategy. Buy anything that has a little defense (phage, mallet, trinity, manamune, atmogs, bloodrazor or anything in random order) and spam all spells.
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obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
September 03 2012 03:06 GMT
#274
I always used to consider yorick more of an early game champion who fell off hard late game. Now I'm not so sure. I mean his spells don't do a lot of damage straight away, but his ghouls have 35% of his AD and can hit up to 3 times before dieing. That's a lot of damage when yorick builds AD. Combined with him ulting his AD carry and he outputs some serious single target dps.

I just watch yoricks do lots of damage into mid game.
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koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-03 04:00:55
September 03 2012 03:58 GMT
#275
His passive is deceptively strong, I find. I just don't think there's anything that bad with his lategame. He can stick well, he can peel well, he has his ult, his passive gives him both tankiness and damage, etc.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
September 03 2012 04:09 GMT
#276
Banned almost every game at PAX. Riot answered a question there about Yorick, and they acknowledge that he is very strong right now, and that they are working on him. He is so frustrating to play against T_T
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NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands1242 Posts
September 03 2012 06:23 GMT
#277
I've been crushing at 1750~ with boots-->tear-->Glacial-->NLM/mercs-->phage/manamune-->either the big MR cloak or finish core. Main difference between most Yorick's is my hardon for Frozen Mallet; makes you stick to whatever you want, and peel even harder.
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NightWalks
Profile Joined May 2011
Latvia252 Posts
September 03 2012 12:08 GMT
#278
Only problem i have with yorick is his first 5 lvl's .... if enemy jungler decides to camp/kill you.
Yorick's power comes from free farm top and deny enemy farm/lvl. Farming at tower without agression on enemy sets Yorick back.
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obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-08 18:13:51
September 08 2012 18:05 GMT
#279
Someone mentioned in GD that tear really doesn't offer any combat stats to yorick so you can't really engage on people. You have to kite them around.

Take for example two yoricks that are identical in runes, masteries, summoners, skilling sequence, and levels. They both go to the middle of the lane to beat each other up. One yorick has a tear, and the other has a negatron cloak. The one with the negatron cloak should win almost all the time. But if one yorick came to lane with a tear, and the other with a pickaxe, then as long as the yorick with tear never hard engaged on a trade, then eventually he'd win the lane through just having more mana.

For most lanes I just try to imagine my opponent is a yorick with a pickaxe.

Also I think it is a good idea to rush manamune if you're getting tear. Advanced/Legendary items tend to be more efficient than base items so the gold you spend to upgrade items gives you more than you'd get if you spent the same gold on a few sapphire crystals, meki pendants, and long swords. It doesn't matter that tear won't be fully charged. And with manamune, your mana will charge up faster with autoattacks.

Also, I don't think manamune is necessary to yorick. Yorick's skilling order is
E W E Q E R E W
That means he won't have a second mana efficient skill until level 8. Early harass comes almost entirely from E and if you blow all your mana on harassing with inefficient skills you'll run out of mana.
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
September 08 2012 19:27 GMT
#280
On September 09 2012 03:05 obesechicken13 wrote:
Someone mentioned in GD that tear really doesn't offer any combat stats to yorick so you can't really engage on people. You have to kite them around.

Take for example two yoricks that are identical in runes, masteries, summoners, skilling sequence, and levels. They both go to the middle of the lane to beat each other up. One yorick has a tear, and the other has a negatron cloak. The one with the negatron cloak should win almost all the time. But if one yorick came to lane with a tear, and the other with a pickaxe, then as long as the yorick with tear never hard engaged on a trade, then eventually he'd win the lane through just having more mana.

For most lanes I just try to imagine my opponent is a yorick with a pickaxe.

Also I think it is a good idea to rush manamune if you're getting tear. Advanced/Legendary items tend to be more efficient than base items so the gold you spend to upgrade items gives you more than you'd get if you spent the same gold on a few sapphire crystals, meki pendants, and long swords. It doesn't matter that tear won't be fully charged. And with manamune, your mana will charge up faster with autoattacks.

Also, I don't think manamune is necessary to yorick. Yorick's skilling order is
E W E Q E R E W
That means he won't have a second mana efficient skill until level 8. Early harass comes almost entirely from E and if you blow all your mana on harassing with inefficient skills you'll run out of mana.

I very rarely ever see Yorick skilling like that. Even TRM(noted for his yorick obv) skills something like E W E Q E W E E R R

Vastly superior skilling that way imo
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