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On September 03 2012 15:23 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
I've been crushing at 1750~ with boots-->tear-->Glacial-->NLM/mercs-->phage/manamune-->either the big MR cloak or finish core. Main difference between most Yorick's is my hardon for Frozen Mallet; makes you stick to whatever you want, and peel even harder.
Just want to preface this post by saying I don't even own Yorick. This is all theory crafting on my part.
Given that his kit includes a slow and a heal that scales off of AD on low cooldowns, wouldn't that make the slow and massive HP boost on Mallet less cost effective? Am I overvaluing his w and e in teamfight scenarios?
I'm really torn between FH and Trinity, both offer a great deal but just seem a tad off. Maybe the true answer is bloodthirster? lol
I'll probably end up buying him soon. The temptations of zoning a teemo and dropping ghouls on his shrooms is simply too great.
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On September 09 2012 04:27 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 03:05 obesechicken13 wrote:
Someone mentioned in GD that tear really doesn't offer any combat stats to yorick so you can't really engage on people. You have to kite them around.
Take for example two yoricks that are identical in runes, masteries, summoners, skilling sequence, and levels. They both go to the middle of the lane to beat each other up. One yorick has a tear, and the other has a negatron cloak. The one with the negatron cloak should win almost all the time. But if one yorick came to lane with a tear, and the other with a pickaxe, then as long as the yorick with tear never hard engaged on a trade, then eventually he'd win the lane through just having more mana.
For most lanes I just try to imagine my opponent is a yorick with a pickaxe.
Also I think it is a good idea to rush manamune if you're getting tear. Advanced/Legendary items tend to be more efficient than base items so the gold you spend to upgrade items gives you more than you'd get if you spent the same gold on a few sapphire crystals, meki pendants, and long swords. It doesn't matter that tear won't be fully charged. And with manamune, your mana will charge up faster with autoattacks.
Also, I don't think manamune is necessary to yorick. Yorick's skilling order is
E W E Q E R E W
That means he won't have a second mana efficient skill until level 8. Early harass comes almost entirely from E and if you blow all your mana on harassing with inefficient skills you'll run out of mana. I very rarely ever see Yorick skilling like that. Even TRM(noted for his yorick obv) skills something like E W E Q E W E E R R Vastly superior skilling that way imo
E W E Q E W E E R R isn't even possible. I think you have a typo since you can't get level a 5th point in E at level 8 or a 2nd and 3rd level of R at level 9,10
On September 09 2012 08:50 Saeglopur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 15:23 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
I've been crushing at 1750~ with boots-->tear-->Glacial-->NLM/mercs-->phage/manamune-->either the big MR cloak or finish core. Main difference between most Yorick's is my hardon for Frozen Mallet; makes you stick to whatever you want, and peel even harder. Just want to preface this post by saying I don't even own Yorick. This is all theory crafting on my part. Given that his kit includes a slow and a heal that scales off of AD on low cooldowns, wouldn't that make the slow and massive HP boost on Mallet less cost effective? Am I overvaluing his w and e in teamfight scenarios? I'm really torn between FH and Trinity, both offer a great deal but just seem a tad off. Maybe the true answer is bloodthirster? lol I'll probably end up buying him soon. The temptations of zoning a teemo and dropping ghouls on his shrooms is simply too great.
I had a game against a teemo like that today. Ended up losing because it was a 4v5. Halfway through I noticed he started dropping shrooms and I thought "hmm maybe I can just drop slow minions on his shrooms". It worked pretty well but you have to drop them exactly where the shroom is.
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On September 09 2012 09:05 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 04:27 arb wrote:On September 09 2012 03:05 obesechicken13 wrote:
Someone mentioned in GD that tear really doesn't offer any combat stats to yorick so you can't really engage on people. You have to kite them around.
Take for example two yoricks that are identical in runes, masteries, summoners, skilling sequence, and levels. They both go to the middle of the lane to beat each other up. One yorick has a tear, and the other has a negatron cloak. The one with the negatron cloak should win almost all the time. But if one yorick came to lane with a tear, and the other with a pickaxe, then as long as the yorick with tear never hard engaged on a trade, then eventually he'd win the lane through just having more mana.
For most lanes I just try to imagine my opponent is a yorick with a pickaxe.
Also I think it is a good idea to rush manamune if you're getting tear. Advanced/Legendary items tend to be more efficient than base items so the gold you spend to upgrade items gives you more than you'd get if you spent the same gold on a few sapphire crystals, meki pendants, and long swords. It doesn't matter that tear won't be fully charged. And with manamune, your mana will charge up faster with autoattacks.
Also, I don't think manamune is necessary to yorick. Yorick's skilling order is
E W E Q E R E W
That means he won't have a second mana efficient skill until level 8. Early harass comes almost entirely from E and if you blow all your mana on harassing with inefficient skills you'll run out of mana. I very rarely ever see Yorick skilling like that. Even TRM(noted for his yorick obv) skills something like E W E Q E W E E R R Vastly superior skilling that way imo E W E Q E W E E R R isn't even possible. I think you have a typo since you can't get level a 5th point in E at level 8 or a 2nd and 3rd level of R at level 9,10 Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 08:50 Saeglopur wrote:On September 03 2012 15:23 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
I've been crushing at 1750~ with boots-->tear-->Glacial-->NLM/mercs-->phage/manamune-->either the big MR cloak or finish core. Main difference between most Yorick's is my hardon for Frozen Mallet; makes you stick to whatever you want, and peel even harder. Just want to preface this post by saying I don't even own Yorick. This is all theory crafting on my part. Given that his kit includes a slow and a heal that scales off of AD on low cooldowns, wouldn't that make the slow and massive HP boost on Mallet less cost effective? Am I overvaluing his w and e in teamfight scenarios? I'm really torn between FH and Trinity, both offer a great deal but just seem a tad off. Maybe the true answer is bloodthirster? lol I'll probably end up buying him soon. The temptations of zoning a teemo and dropping ghouls on his shrooms is simply too great. I had a game against a teemo like that today. Ended up losing because it was a 4v5. Halfway through I noticed he started dropping shrooms and I thought "hmm maybe I can just drop slow minions on his shrooms". It worked pretty well but you have to drop them exactly where the shroom is.
Think i missed a number rofl one second.
Yeah I did the correct skill order would be
E W E Q E W E W E R R W W Q Q R Q Q
My bad.
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On September 09 2012 09:12 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 09:05 obesechicken13 wrote:On September 09 2012 04:27 arb wrote:On September 09 2012 03:05 obesechicken13 wrote:
Someone mentioned in GD that tear really doesn't offer any combat stats to yorick so you can't really engage on people. You have to kite them around.
Take for example two yoricks that are identical in runes, masteries, summoners, skilling sequence, and levels. They both go to the middle of the lane to beat each other up. One yorick has a tear, and the other has a negatron cloak. The one with the negatron cloak should win almost all the time. But if one yorick came to lane with a tear, and the other with a pickaxe, then as long as the yorick with tear never hard engaged on a trade, then eventually he'd win the lane through just having more mana.
For most lanes I just try to imagine my opponent is a yorick with a pickaxe.
Also I think it is a good idea to rush manamune if you're getting tear. Advanced/Legendary items tend to be more efficient than base items so the gold you spend to upgrade items gives you more than you'd get if you spent the same gold on a few sapphire crystals, meki pendants, and long swords. It doesn't matter that tear won't be fully charged. And with manamune, your mana will charge up faster with autoattacks.
Also, I don't think manamune is necessary to yorick. Yorick's skilling order is
E W E Q E R E W
That means he won't have a second mana efficient skill until level 8. Early harass comes almost entirely from E and if you blow all your mana on harassing with inefficient skills you'll run out of mana. I very rarely ever see Yorick skilling like that. Even TRM(noted for his yorick obv) skills something like E W E Q E W E E R R Vastly superior skilling that way imo E W E Q E W E E R R isn't even possible. I think you have a typo since you can't get level a 5th point in E at level 8 or a 2nd and 3rd level of R at level 9,10 On September 09 2012 08:50 Saeglopur wrote:On September 03 2012 15:23 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
I've been crushing at 1750~ with boots-->tear-->Glacial-->NLM/mercs-->phage/manamune-->either the big MR cloak or finish core. Main difference between most Yorick's is my hardon for Frozen Mallet; makes you stick to whatever you want, and peel even harder. Just want to preface this post by saying I don't even own Yorick. This is all theory crafting on my part. Given that his kit includes a slow and a heal that scales off of AD on low cooldowns, wouldn't that make the slow and massive HP boost on Mallet less cost effective? Am I overvaluing his w and e in teamfight scenarios? I'm really torn between FH and Trinity, both offer a great deal but just seem a tad off. Maybe the true answer is bloodthirster? lol I'll probably end up buying him soon. The temptations of zoning a teemo and dropping ghouls on his shrooms is simply too great. I had a game against a teemo like that today. Ended up losing because it was a 4v5. Halfway through I noticed he started dropping shrooms and I thought "hmm maybe I can just drop slow minions on his shrooms". It worked pretty well but you have to drop them exactly where the shroom is. Think i missed a number rofl one second. Yeah I did the correct skill order would be E W E Q E W E W E R R W W Q Q R Q Q My bad.
Wait, people don't get R as soon as possible? I guess it's fine to have only a few points in W. It's mana costly for the damage but as long as you can drive people out of lane it's fine. Also yorick needs a lot of mana to farm quickly late game.
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On September 09 2012 09:21 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 09:12 arb wrote:On September 09 2012 09:05 obesechicken13 wrote:On September 09 2012 04:27 arb wrote:On September 09 2012 03:05 obesechicken13 wrote:
Someone mentioned in GD that tear really doesn't offer any combat stats to yorick so you can't really engage on people. You have to kite them around.
Take for example two yoricks that are identical in runes, masteries, summoners, skilling sequence, and levels. They both go to the middle of the lane to beat each other up. One yorick has a tear, and the other has a negatron cloak. The one with the negatron cloak should win almost all the time. But if one yorick came to lane with a tear, and the other with a pickaxe, then as long as the yorick with tear never hard engaged on a trade, then eventually he'd win the lane through just having more mana.
For most lanes I just try to imagine my opponent is a yorick with a pickaxe.
Also I think it is a good idea to rush manamune if you're getting tear. Advanced/Legendary items tend to be more efficient than base items so the gold you spend to upgrade items gives you more than you'd get if you spent the same gold on a few sapphire crystals, meki pendants, and long swords. It doesn't matter that tear won't be fully charged. And with manamune, your mana will charge up faster with autoattacks.
Also, I don't think manamune is necessary to yorick. Yorick's skilling order is
E W E Q E R E W
That means he won't have a second mana efficient skill until level 8. Early harass comes almost entirely from E and if you blow all your mana on harassing with inefficient skills you'll run out of mana. I very rarely ever see Yorick skilling like that. Even TRM(noted for his yorick obv) skills something like E W E Q E W E E R R Vastly superior skilling that way imo E W E Q E W E E R R isn't even possible. I think you have a typo since you can't get level a 5th point in E at level 8 or a 2nd and 3rd level of R at level 9,10 On September 09 2012 08:50 Saeglopur wrote:On September 03 2012 15:23 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
I've been crushing at 1750~ with boots-->tear-->Glacial-->NLM/mercs-->phage/manamune-->either the big MR cloak or finish core. Main difference between most Yorick's is my hardon for Frozen Mallet; makes you stick to whatever you want, and peel even harder. Just want to preface this post by saying I don't even own Yorick. This is all theory crafting on my part. Given that his kit includes a slow and a heal that scales off of AD on low cooldowns, wouldn't that make the slow and massive HP boost on Mallet less cost effective? Am I overvaluing his w and e in teamfight scenarios? I'm really torn between FH and Trinity, both offer a great deal but just seem a tad off. Maybe the true answer is bloodthirster? lol I'll probably end up buying him soon. The temptations of zoning a teemo and dropping ghouls on his shrooms is simply too great. I had a game against a teemo like that today. Ended up losing because it was a 4v5. Halfway through I noticed he started dropping shrooms and I thought "hmm maybe I can just drop slow minions on his shrooms". It worked pretty well but you have to drop them exactly where the shroom is. Think i missed a number rofl one second. Yeah I did the correct skill order would be E W E Q E W E W E R R W W Q Q R Q Q My bad. Wait, people don't get R as soon as possible? I guess it's fine to have only a few points in W. It's mana costly for the damage but as long as you can drive people out of lane it's fine. Also yorick needs a lot of mana to farm quickly late game.
I know Rain man doesnt on Yorick, and most of the Yoricks I see on the stream in the tv thing dont either.
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If you're getting camped it might be a good idea to get R in lvl 6 imo, cus you might be able to kill one of them if they dive you.
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Support Yorick is my new favorite thing. He just crushes the no-sustain super aggressive supports (Leona Blitz) with his high early harass and sustain, and most importantly his exceptional brawling. His persistent slow is great for elongating winning trades and disengaging from losing ones. And unlike top lane where his ultimate is apparently so lackluster pros don't get it until level 10, it is godlike bottom lane.
Anyone else played around with this? I win lane and then game pretty consistently with support Yorick paired with Ezreal or Vayne.
I go usual support opening + items. Faerie + Wards into Philo, Aegis/Zekes, Reverie
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I play support yorick a lot. I think more than any other support. It's fun.
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It's fun in scenarious you described - aka wining
Try play support Yorick when team is on the back foot compared to standard Sona ult or Soraka / Taric base kit
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This champ is soo much fun to play! :D
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the mots scary thing about yorick support is his huge natural base tankyness..
other than that he kinda just sucks >_< .. hes really hard to kill tho cause hes soooo tanky. Just makes the lane boring -.-
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What are your thoughts on getting Spirit Visage on Yorick top lane? I usually get Manamune, Mercs and Glacial before I get my giants belt for the HP. I feel like this is a bit late though.
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On September 12 2012 20:20 Nomzter wrote:
This champ is soo much fun to play! :D
T.T i see much darkness in you
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On September 12 2012 20:20 Nomzter wrote:
This champ is soo much fun to play! :D
Id almost bet my life the other palyer doesnt think the same. infact id almost be willing to bet he thinks the exact opposite
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On September 18 2012 08:13 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 20:20 Nomzter wrote:
This champ is soo much fun to play! :D Id almost bet my life the other palyer doesnt think the same. infact id almost be willing to bet he thinks the exact opposite
Playing against Yorick becomes so so so so fun if you can stop the AD carry (which leaves Yorick pretty much useless). That's the actual deal though.
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On September 18 2012 08:03 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
What are your thoughts on getting Spirit Visage on Yorick top lane? I usually get Manamune, Mercs and Glacial before I get my giants belt for the HP. I feel like this is a bit late though.
I've never seen the point. Yorick already has all the sustain he needs, and there are better choices for CDR. It only gives +6 MR so there are much better choices for that.
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He's getting a nerf in pbe. Ghouls no longer block champions and the movement speed on ghouls is getting decreased at all levels. Yorick can't place ghouls behind his enemy so I guess preventing them from blocking allows people to catch up to yorick better. Decreasing ghouls movespeed decreases their chasing ability and therefore their damage to champions as well as yorick's sustain.
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On September 18 2012 09:08 obesechicken13 wrote:
He's getting a nerf in pbe. Ghouls no longer block champions and the movement speed on ghouls is getting decreased at all levels. Yorick can't place ghouls behind his enemy so I guess preventing them from blocking allows people to catch up to yorick better. Decreasing ghouls movespeed decreases their chasing ability and therefore their damage to champions as well as yorick's sustain.
Do they no longer block skillshots? or just not creep block champions?
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On September 18 2012 09:50 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 09:08 obesechicken13 wrote:
He's getting a nerf in pbe. Ghouls no longer block champions and the movement speed on ghouls is getting decreased at all levels. Yorick can't place ghouls behind his enemy so I guess preventing them from blocking allows people to catch up to yorick better. Decreasing ghouls movespeed decreases their chasing ability and therefore their damage to champions as well as yorick's sustain. Do they no longer block skillshots? or just not creep block champions?
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=29356150#post29356150
Afaik just champions.
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Do people still do support Yorick at all? I've never seen it in a game, but I was thinking about it last night, and it seemed like it could be pretty strong in lane.
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