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OK a lot of people really don't like this champion, they say she's borked or useless or whatever just because her spells are terrible and she has no real damage or utility of any kind.
Don't let that stop you. In order to be properly feared as one of the unicorn overlords, I have devised a Soraka build to dominate the lane, get every creepkill, and then dominate the lategame.
Masteries: 21/8/1. You need the offensive masteries to contribute to your enemies' fear of you. Strength of Spirit gives you some much-needed (your heal is not enough) regeneration in the lane. Anyways, max crit%, 1 point in AP/lvl, and basically everything after that except the ignite mastery, the lasthitting mastery, and crit dmg% mastery.
Summ Spells: Ghost/Exhaust. Both let you stay close to the enemy. He doesn't like this, because he is scared of you and wants to run away. Do not let him run away.
Runes:
QUINTS: Flat AD
RED: Flat AD
YELLOW: Flat Armor
BLUE: Flat Magic Resistance
Items: Longsword or mana crystal opening (recommend long sword), get a sheen as quickly as you can. Boots of Swiftness (or mercs if enemy team has lots of CC) and Triforce (prioritize phage) next. After that, it's basically discretion: probably either build tanky or build a GRB or Hextech Gunblade or something.
Skill order and playstyle: Open Q if there is action, because it is fucking imbalanced in a level 1 teamfight. But if everyone peacefully goes to their lanes, open W because Q is pretty much useless in the lane until a bit later. Prioritize E>W, getting your ult at 6,11,16, and start ignoring W and maxing Q after E is maxed.
Harass with your auto-attack and E combo at every opportunity in the lane. If you run low on mana, obviously just E yourself until the situation is remedied. After you get sheen, just hit E on someone, then whack em with your auto-attack for infinity damage. Later on in teamfights, basically stay back and hit whoever you can while healing your team and providing mana support. Once you are tanky, stand in the middle of it starcalling constantly like a MOTHERFUCKER and hitting the fuck out of whoever has the hubris to be lowest health.
Carry the game.
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Soraka wouldn't be so bad if starfall wasn't so badly designed. Her W, E and R suggest staying behind and stacking AP or CDR and supporting, but the only way to do anything with starfall is to stand close and spam it but that means you have to build tank and have a weak W and R. She has really really low base stats as well considering she's already a weak hero it seems unfair.
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ololol soraka guide
btw it's still more efficient to get armor pen on quints OR reds, early game.
why not dblade? you are theoretically starting with ~400 hp? ..
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On January 31 2011 14:16 HeavOnEarth wrote:
ololol soraka guide
btw it's still more efficient to get armor pen on quints OR reds, early game.
why not dblade? you are theoretically starting with ~400 hp? ..
dblade works too
and no it's not, especially on soraka who has about 0 base dmg
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Valhalla18444 Posts
points for correct use of the word 'hubris'
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On January 31 2011 14:57 Odds wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2011 14:16 HeavOnEarth wrote:
ololol soraka guide
btw it's still more efficient to get armor pen on quints OR reds, early game.
why not dblade? you are theoretically starting with ~400 hp? .. dblade works too and no it's not, especially on soraka who has about 0 base dmg
lol.i meant either or. like AD quints, armor pen reds > both AD quints+ reds.
Also AD quints + armor pen reds > AD reds + armor pen quints.
It's been tried and tested way before you made this thread. notably on champs like pantheon , ezreal.
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I just used this in a game last night to mess with people, went 15-10-20. Lots of minion kills, couple of tower kills. Pissed off a Kassadin royally when I rushed sheen and poked with E->autoattack. We ended up winning. They must've been the worst scrubs imaginable. Thanks for the fun idea!
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putting the ad build aside >.>
i am hoping with the regen nerfs she will actually be viable champion in ranked
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The infamous Blastra on EU wanders the fields of justice hoping that one day he will achieve a pentakill.
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She's ok now. I really think the armor buff on astral blessing will help a lot since she needs a little help staying alive mid game. The ap ratio nerf is irrelevant until soraka had 200 or more ap. Late game wish is better than any other support ult, even jannas cos that instant spike healing is mad useful.
What I would do is
Flat AP
Armor pen reds
Scaling hp yellow
Flat AP blues
21 9 0
Ghost cleanse
Doran's Ring first
Play aggressively at level 1 with starcall, infuse at level 2 if you can hold the brush, otherwise heal. Starcall at level 3 and then go harass their jungler. I don't think any of them can beat you 1 on 1 at this point with boots and starcall kiting, especially since starcall even targets those in brushes. After that I would max heal then infuse and then starcall last cos it's kind crappy after early game.
Make cdr boots, deathcap and blue lixir and wards as core. You don't need anything else and your runes, passive and heals make you not completely squishy. That late game wish really is ridiculous when you have 260 ap.
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any new ideas for runes that don't focus on AD?
I'm curious and want to start playing her
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Okay, here's a quick and dirty real Soraka guide for you if you plan on playing her as a support.
Runes
Quints: Flat AP
Marks: Doesn't really matter, ArPen is good, AP/Level is good (although the runes themselves are horrible, Soraka loves more AP)
Seals: Flat Armor, Scaling HP
Glyphs: Flat AP, AP/Level
Masteries: 0/9/21
Summoners: CV/Flash
You can start a few ways:
Faerie Charm + Wards + Pots
Boots + Ward + Pots
Doran's Ring
Skill build is going to be:
WEWEWR
R>W>E>Q
You can take Q for some level 1 fights, but make sure to get a level in it at level 8 or 9.
You're going to want to end up building something like this:
Philo/HoG/Kage's Pick (or all 3!)
Wards+Oracle (repeat forever)
Deathcap
You may also want to consider Reverie or RoA, but you want to squeak by with the barest amount of survivability possible while stacking as much AP as you can with your spare gold. The gold/10 items help a lot with that.
Figure out what you need based on your lane and your jungler. The first few levels, focus on sustain. You have a decent autoattack range, and with the armor buff on your heal, tanking minions isn't too much of a problem. Mostly, though, you should focus on keeping you and your lane partner full on mana and HP and letting them farm.
After that, it's learning about how to move around the map and play as a support through the mid and lategame. It's not too difficult, but you'll pick up the intricacies as you play more.
Fun tip is at later levels, when a tank minion goes up to a tower, heal the minion to let it tank some more shots. 80 armor ain't nothing to fuck with.
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On July 14 2011 16:40 TadH wrote:
any new ideas for runes that don't focus on AD?
I'm curious and want to start playing her
I run ap quints, and then ap/level on everything else. I run 0/21/9 or like 0/9/21
a lot of people run ap marks or something, health quints, armor or health/lvl seals, flat mr or scaling mr blues.
I personally go Philo Stone, HoG, then a mixture and variety of items. You want CDR, AP, Survivability, and Oracles/Auras, AND WARDS. I usually buy tons and tons and tons of wards.
Item's I like getting :Wards/Oracles always, Kages sometimes Reverie(aoe speed boost to team) almost always, Soul Shroud, Aegis, Frozen Heart, Abyssal Scepter, Deathcap, Zhonya's Hourglass. You usually only have money to get like 1 big item, so Deathcap usually. For some reason I've been really rich before.
Also I've done Philos, Mejais, Survivability before. You can get random assists with your R everytime you see someone fighting. It's probably not optimal but it's worked for me.
Soraka is currently the only support I like AP on, if games go long the ap really makes you useful in team fights, but you have to position way in back. VS some comps or some games going bad you have to just go for 40% CDR + Survivability, otherwise you instantly die.
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I disagree with 0 21 9. Soraka really wants everything in the utility tree. I cant imagine a lane where you'd want the 21 defense.
Imho Soraka is about 2 things: Big AP item lategame (deathcap) and CDR. That's most of the reason she's the support I love to get all gold items on if somehow possible.
I think any item that distracts away from the two goals just mentioned (like Frozen Heart, Abyssal, etc.etc.) is a bad choice since you're so damn close on gold anyway.
If possible at all I also like to shift that oracle and also part of the warding to someone else, partially because you will lose a "ward-/oracle war" vs Janna/Taric and also because you don't have the same survivability and/or roaming possibility of those two.
Shifting Aegis to someone else is something that's great on Soraka too, unless you really need the survivability or you're the only possible carrier at all (rare).
When I'm Janna/Taric and a Soraka tries to win the war for mapcontrol she will a) be completely useless lategame and b) lose it anyway since she's so much worse/more vulnerable at it.
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Post patch soraka discussion
I'm trying to figure out what items to get. i think glacial shroud is necessary for cdr... Aside from deathcap and building tanky I also think rylai's would be really good if it procs, permanent aoe slow in a huge range.
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I get glacial shroud as well. I like Rylai's but it's tough to go for if you're playing pure support (babysitting carry), as for Deathcap I don't think it's productive building pure AP anymore (am I wrong?)
Build tends to be: Philo stone, CDR boots, Frozen Heart, Banshees (MR),
Gold caps close to there, busy buying oracles/wards and such. If I went mid / top lane Soraka I'd definitely go with a different build though.
Side note, I've been playing Soraka for a long time now (~year), initially I tried to play offensive (mid/top lane solos) but eventually went the standard pure heal / support route. I think it's cool they've strengthened her poking abilities, but I've definitely been feeling weaker while playing her as pure support.
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On August 27 2011 00:13 cordlc wrote:
I think it's cool they've strengthened her poking abilities, but I've definitely been feeling weaker while playing her as pure support.
I play support Soraka and have been for at least a few months now.
While I agree with everything you said, I actually think the changes made her stronger. Yes her heal doesn't stack as well as it used to, but it's actually stronger in the early game when it is most important for babysitting your ad.
Also (some theorycraft) the changes to starcall I think are going to alter the way she plays, since now it is encouraged to harass with that ability, which will change her builds, skill order, and how she plays in lane in terms of positioning, etc.
I'm excited to watch MLG this weekend, and see how the top supports play her, if they play her at all.
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On August 27 2011 00:32 KiLL_ORdeR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2011 00:13 cordlc wrote:
I think it's cool they've strengthened her poking abilities, but I've definitely been feeling weaker while playing her as pure support. I play support Soraka and have been for at least a few months now. While I agree with everything you said, I actually think the changes made her stronger. Yes her heal doesn't stack as well as it used to, but it's actually stronger in the early game when it is most important for babysitting your ad. Also (some theorycraft) the changes to starcall I think are going to alter the way she plays, since now it is encouraged to harass with that ability, which will change her builds, skill order, and how she plays in lane in terms of positioning, etc. I'm excited to watch MLG this weekend, and see how the top supports play her, if they play her at all.
yeah this is more what i meant. i max Q first now. but this is only in normals, and im not that good
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What I've been doing my last few games have been to start with a Dorans Ring -> CDR boots+philo or amp tomb if I'm doing well i get a soulstealer later on deathcap+ rylais and whatever other game dependant items u need.
She can actually kill stuff now and she farms so well.
In my last few games I Raped a nasus top 7-0
Took mid from a MF in like 10 minutes
Solo'd an udyr and won at level 14
Raped an annie mid 5-0
And I'm not even that good, but I think her Q will get nerfed, I max it first and I try to solo top because she can out farm even morde now, it's ridic.
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On August 27 2011 00:32 KiLL_ORdeR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2011 00:13 cordlc wrote:
I think it's cool they've strengthened her poking abilities, but I've definitely been feeling weaker while playing her as pure support. I play support Soraka and have been for at least a few months now. While I agree with everything you said, I actually think the changes made her stronger. Yes her heal doesn't stack as well as it used to, but it's actually stronger in the early game when it is most important for babysitting your ad. Also (some theorycraft) the changes to starcall I think are going to alter the way she plays, since now it is encouraged to harass with that ability, which will change her builds, skill order, and how she plays in lane in terms of positioning, etc. I'm excited to watch MLG this weekend, and see how the top supports play her, if they play her at all.
Will they be on the most recent patch at MLG? I thought tournaments were usually played a couple patches behind.
I built the standard 3x gp/10 items as a babysitter bottom lane, and transitioned into rabadons and a bunch of AP stuff like DFG. Was pretty sick, my score ended up better than our brand's score. She feels REALLY weird as a caster, almost like ryze, but I enjoyed it quite a bit. Starcall is just hilarious in teamfights of a decent duration.
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If you can get mid.
Dorans ring > basic boots ( upgrade after catalyst, or after roa, your choice ), ROA > Rylai, games over they surrendered, soraka OP, hextech revolver/Deathcap> the one you didn't get.
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Soraka so crazy strong right now, wowowowow.
Build kinda tanky/cdr/ap, and possibly aegis to be #1 teamplayer. Run around in circles hitting Q as fast as possible. Eventually everyone else has -9000 magic resist. Sweet life
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Fuck ap.
Hog+Philo
Spirit Visage
Force of Nature
Randuins
Shurelyas
Adjust based on enemy team. Maybe get rylais. You can get these items on support if you take ignite instead of cv (normals who gives a fuck) and steal cs with starcall spam in lane.
FoN super important because the speed is needed also regen stacks well with your high mr+armour with heal.
AP doesn't scale that well might as well just max cdr and then be tanky and rape everyone like pheonix udyr does vs bad teams.
Once someone lets me get solo mid they will know terror.
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On August 28 2011 22:49 Slayer91 wrote:
Fuck ap.
Hog+Philo
Spirit Visage
Force of Nature
Randuins
Shurelyas
Adjust based on enemy team. Maybe get rylais. You can get these items on support if you take ignite instead of cv (normals who gives a fuck) and steal cs with starcall spam in lane.
FoN super important because the speed is needed also regen stacks well with your high mr+armour with heal.
AP doesn't scale that well might as well just max cdr and then be tanky and rape everyone like pheonix udyr does vs bad teams.
Once someone lets me get solo mid they will know terror.
Somehow I can see this working...
It's just is Starfall's MR shred worth building nothing but tank on Soraka so she can stand in the middle of a fight and Q all day.
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It works really well but it might be that I bait SO MANY TEAMS into intiating on me.
One game, it was trist/soraka vs alistar/corki I was overextending bot lane without wards starcall harassing and got killed a bunch of times bot lane by ganks and later a fed corki, some snowballing later and their corki had like 18 kills and we started coming back anyway. We were about evenish and I run back and forth in their red buff jungle at wraiths baiting and akali to attack me corki jumps in from the other brush opposite red. They all go for me I flash out at 1/4 hp, they start dying I heal up to like 3/4 with W and ulti to heal my team and myself with spirit visage. Then I go back in to chase after corki at half hp who takes some damage before waiting into a brush, exhausting me, gattling gun, and then dying under silence because I have like 350 armour with dodge boots randuins, 21 defense and armour yellows/quints while my W is up.
Wouldn't have killed him if he wasn't scared of the rest of my team before I got like 5 stacks of starcall though, haha. I survived at like 100 hp so only force of nature+spirit visage regen and my extra healing from spirit visage saved me.
A couple times earlier in that same game I would like gank corki with no fear and he's like I have 16 kills lets kill this soraka quickly then he realizes he does no damage and then tries to tower dive some other guy before a third member comes to finish him with my star call spam :3.
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Hmmm I don't think FoN is worth it for her though. Passive health regen is nice but I don't think she needs it. Same with move speed. You're only going to majorly benefit from the MR. Lately I build:
dring open if solo, health regen pendant if not.
philo/cdrboots asap, and at least 1 dring is nice to have
visage and/or aegis.
I used to rush RoA, but I'm starting to think it's not worth it. The CDR is so much better early on imo.
That's basically the core build imo. After that you can rush a deathcap, or abyssal, or rylais, or pure tanky, basically anything you want. You're surprisingly durable, and her biggest strength I think is that people don't realize that. They see soraka, and they feel this primal need to murder you. It's like the teemo effect, except instead of realizing you can do damage, they think you can't deal any. 4-5 starcalls later, and they're running for their lives.
You can zone anyone out, and if you're going bot lane, you can wander the map freely and babysit multiple lanes at once. Her overall presence is just crazy strong right now.
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I don't get it, how do you chase people down with 10 starcall stacks without force of nature?
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Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
Not confirmed but Design thinks Starcall does not have enough range because once you're in range to use Starcall, you're in range to die fast. Might get Q range increase or some better base def stats.
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On August 29 2011 00:15 MoonBear wrote:
Not confirmed but Design thinks Starcall does not have enough range because once you're in range to use Starcall, you're in range to die fast. Might get Q range increase or some better base def stats.
Clearly they don't know about my tank soraka build/runes/masteries :3
No real motivation to build AP her ratios are bad and you have some utility like W armour bonus, silence, and good base stats on heal, E, Q, and R. The more AP you build the squishier you are.
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On August 29 2011 00:12 Slayer91 wrote:
I don't get it, how do you chase people down with 10 starcall stacks without force of nature?
Let your team do the slowing, or get rylais huehue.
FoN too expensive to purchase just for the MS boost I think.
Also moonbear, are they seriously gonna boost starcall more? lololololl
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On August 29 2011 00:19 Haemonculus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2011 00:12 Slayer91 wrote:
I don't get it, how do you chase people down with 10 starcall stacks without force of nature? Let your team do the slowing, or get rylais huehue. FoN too expensive to purchase just for the MS boost I think. Also moonbear, are they seriously gonna boost starcall more? lololololl
Your team will be doing useful things, and aren't tanky enough to chase down people.
It's not just for the movement speed buff, being really tanky is important as I said before its a tank soraka build. When you have 200/200 resists without W up then the FoN regen is really significant over time when you can't afford to spam heal on yourself as much.
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On August 29 2011 00:19 Haemonculus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2011 00:12 Slayer91 wrote:
I don't get it, how do you chase people down with 10 starcall stacks without force of nature? Let your team do the slowing, or get rylais huehue. FoN too expensive to purchase just for the MS boost I think. Also moonbear, are they seriously gonna boost starcall more? lololololl
It's being thought about, yes. But might just be one of those ideas where they end up not doing it. Like when they wanted Blue Buff to give Renek Fury and stuff.
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On August 29 2011 00:15 MoonBear wrote:
Not confirmed but Design thinks Starcall does not have enough range because once you're in range to use Starcall, you're in range to die fast. Might get Q range increase or some better base def stats.
Are you serious? Wasn't the entire point of the healing/support changes to make the supports want to get into a fight instead of just standing back? Now that they have to get close we are considering that maybe they shouldn't because they die?
Good, thoughtful design process.
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Abyssal scepter >>>> FoN for some magic defense padding (still a luxury item for soraka). It's got great synergy with her starcall spamming.
I use a very tanky setup on soraka (armor red, armor yellow, MR glyphs, 1 HP quint, and 2 armor quints). I also use 0/21/9. She's just so damn hard to fight with that and can still babysit. Utility has some nice stuff but the most important thing is still to be tanky enough at the start so that you can zone people with starcall and not worry about being killed.
Philo, heart of gold, cdr boots and kindlegem as core. Tanky enough with the runes that you are not worth killing, so that you can spam as much starcall as you like.
This is for support soraka, not solo soraka.
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Need either rylais or FoN to chase down ppl and movement speed is more flexible than rylais! (can catch ppl in the first place)
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Hmmm I still don't think you need it but I'll give it a shot my next soraka game.
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Just pretend you're shen when you play soraka and it all makes sense.
I never even played shen more than few times but whatever.
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So Soraka with Amumu is an unstoppable team.
Amumu's ult really allows soraka to just walk up and cast starcall since she has no way of catching people herself also you really can't focus amumu since soraka can heal him.
-35 mr from curse touch
-20 mr from abyssal scepter
-12 mr for each starcall casted
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Im so sad right now. Soraka was THE support for me. I love playing support, and i love playing healer, i mostly played healer in MMORPGs, in TF2, even in Baldurs Gate or Dragon Age.
So when i got into a game and asked about who to support with, and they told me some names and what they do, i was VERY happy. I played a little dota many years ago, and there were no clear healer, nothing like Soraka, so i didnt even expect to find her. But i did, we found each other, and we were happy together.
But this patch... i understand why riot does what they do, even though i dont agree with them. They say sustain is bad. I say, ok, Nidalee was OP, but Soraka? She has NOTHING else than heal, her starcall is a joke (its like giving Hawking a light saber, he may cut/burn others, but surely will die in the attempt), her silence is good in some situations, but i always have people around me without any mana, so i always have my W/E/R on CD. She is not like Sona, who heals AND does a ton of other useful stuff, she is only about heals and mana.
I also say sustain is good. You sacrifice something (utility) to keep your team going. See above: Soraka does nothing else, just keeps your team going. No knockups, no stun, no AD boost.
They tried to not nerf her but change the way she is used. Well, success! She is now a mediocre support, and not really good in anything else.+10% range on starcall is nothing, and harassing with silence is nice, but wont win a war. Especially against a Brand or similar ranged champ.
And even if she can be played in other ways (like the OP states (prepatch, but these voices were there then too), and also many others here say they found the way to play her): thats not a support way. And people dont only like the champions appearance (though i LOVE her dryad skin, so beastly, so violent, so...), they like the abilities and its playstyle.
I loved Soraka because she was the best healer, now she still is the best i think, but not really viable next to Janna or other, better supports. Meh.
ps: im still trying to play her traditionally, im wait for Warden's opinion, but already look to the next best thing, Janna is nice too, but i REALLY miss the heal...
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On August 29 2011 22:53 shinarit wrote:...
ps: im still trying to play her traditionally, im wait for Warden's opinion, but already look to the next best thing, Janna is nice too, but i REALLY miss the heal...
This is 150% of your problem. Soraka arguably has the strongest harass of any support now. Trying to play her "traditionally" is an utter waste of her abilities.
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On August 29 2011 23:38 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2011 22:53 shinarit wrote:...
ps: im still trying to play her traditionally, im wait for Warden's opinion, but already look to the next best thing, Janna is nice too, but i REALLY miss the heal... This is 150% of your problem. Soraka arguably has the strongest harass of any support now. Trying to play her "traditionally" is an utter waste of her abilities.
No, my problem is Riot destroyed the Soraka i loved. Now when i play i harass like crazy, but its just not the same anymore. Though ulti still rocks. Best feeling to counter the Karthus when he thinks he have a sure kill.
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I quoted you saying you were trying to play her traditionally, and now you say you're not playing her traditionally (i.e. harassing like crazy). If you've already adjusted your playstyle then my only advice is to spend less time seeking surcease of sorrow for your lost Lenore and more time either enjoying the revamped Soraka or moving on.
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She tears shit up in the early-game too... a wellplayed Soraka can zone most champions without too much effort.
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On August 30 2011 01:13 IntoTheheart wrote:
She tears shit up in the early-game too... a wellplayed Soraka can zone most champions without too much effort.
Q is super good at lvl 1 but it always pushes your lane a bit hard... hard for the jungler to come and gank your lane.
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Yea that's the problem i have atm. Trying to harass decently, while not pushing the lane too hard. I end up just using E and auto-attacks to try to push them back a bit, then try to zone them far enough behind their creeps that Q wont push the lane too hard.
Not easy though and it can put you in a pretty vulnerable position also.
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On August 29 2011 01:15 Slayer91 wrote:
Need either rylais or FoN to chase down ppl and movement speed is more flexible than rylais! (can catch ppl in the first place)
Don't you already have a Reverie in that build? Chase them down with that then Starcall slow them with rylai's after you've caught up.
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Soraka is balanced.
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I just play soraka as a traditional bot lane support cause teams will rage at me if I do otherwise. Then after 20 min, I go around the map /ignore all and take all farm. Build deathcap rylais and get legendary then carry team to victory np.
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Oh my God I forgot I wrote this guide. Looks pretty legit though, will have to retry hybridsoraka.
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I don't think deathcap is necessary for soraka just get abyssal and ryal's and you are golden
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I hate new Soraka so much. So fucking much. Why does she do so much damage? 
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Jungle soraka is the way to go. Dem Soraka ganks, dawg. Just ask SaintV
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On August 30 2011 03:41 Ryuu314 wrote:
I just play soraka as a traditional bot lane support cause teams will rage at me if I do otherwise. Then after 20 min, I go around the map /ignore all and take all farm. Build deathcap rylais and get legendary then carry team to victory np.
yo
i srsly love to play soraka like that and its SOOOOO effective in my opinion 
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I found new entertainment , lock in BOT game , make drink and snacks , watch top lane getting zoned or even killed by mighty SorakaBot XD
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oh god yes, soraka bot, terror of the universe. She regularly ends up with more kills than some people I play with in compstomps for daily IP.
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On August 29 2011 23:38 Seuss wrote:
This is 150% of your problem. Soraka arguably has the strongest harass of any support now. Trying to play her "traditionally" is an utter waste of her abilities.
She actually just plays alot differently than she did before. Prior to the patch I'd try to initiate level 1 and 2 trades. Most of the time I'd be able to chip off at least 30% of the ADs health before their support would hit level 2 and pick up a heal. This generally let us push the lane and deny some CS via tower.
Now she's pretty passive at level 1. Can't really trade more than once or you fall behind too far. I guess her mid-game harass is a little easier to pull off... but she feels so much less dynamic than before. The changes just shunted her sideways I think - now alot of her ability to carry comes from her damage which feels odd after playing her in a more support role for so long.
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I think those changes are awful. I really liked her and played her a lot but now I have a big question mark on her as to her role and build. Basically building AP is now only good for offense, heal ratio has been HALVED (0.9->0.45) and cooldown DOUBLED this is like a double DOUBLE nerf which makes it a quadruple nerf (i'm good at maths). No but seriously what is soraka's job now? Harassing? Lol. Starcall range is ridiculous and pushes the lane, it also costs quite a lot of mana to spam and wait, what ? Infuse doesn't give double mana anymore ? -> More mana problems...
Well atleast they reduced the cooldown on this one which makes it almost fair...
Only time will tell but I think those changes are really bad, you can't play her offensively in this state, even if it's what riot intended to do it just doesn't work. Hopefully I'm completely wrong.
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She's commonly banned at the almost-plat level because nobody can deal with her solo mid except other banned champs. I feel like rylai's is core followed by Zhonya's/Abyssal/Banshee's/GA in whatever order.
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To everyone who thinks the Soraka changes are bad/made her worse. You're freaking mad.
Her revamped Q is just ridiculous harass, especially in solo lane. Her heal is like the last damn thing you level now. Q harass is practically free since it costs so darn little. Even with the nerfed E you should have absolutely no problem staying in lane QQing all day unless you're taking tons of damage and have to constantly heal yourself, which shouldn't be happening since E is a freaking insta-700 range silence mini-nuke.
Yes, starcall pushes the lane, which is why you want to take solo mid, not duo bot. Mid is generally the hardest lane to gank as most junglers will have to expose themselves for a second or two before initiating onto you, which gives you ample time to fuck 'em up with ur silence. Obv, fiddle and noc can initiate onto you from out of sight range but even then, your silence does wonders.
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Y-day in normal queue i had troll team so was like fk it im also gona troll and took Soraka with clarity + ignite ( Hadn't played after last patch ) . Been a while i had so mutch fun trololol . Zoned bot till their bot inhib tower hahah . Philo -> Sorcs > Abysal > Cap > C-vest > Rylies > Zonya .
Hilarity topped out when i got ambushed by Mumu / Leona / Trundle ( All tanky build ) in jungle . I kept Q spam ( had sorcs + abysal+ 10 mpen ) and juke in brush. After 5+ Q and few E they started to run , but was to late coz their m-res was down the drain and 200 dmg Q's just did obscene dmg cupled with 400 E's and ignite . Triplekill soraka made my day .
Their main sorce of dmg was mid Oriana , but E's + q's just pushed her out of any teamfight as soon as it started . I use W on myself just for the def buff so i can stay in mid of shit and spam Q .
Only 2 problems i see with New Soraka is 1) Silence shuts her down bad 2) Shes basicaly AP carrie and needs farm , good in long games when all max out , but in short games means you take farm from some1 else who moust likely would be better carrie ( Annie , brand ori etc )
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Build tanky AP soraka kinda like ryze. Get lich bane : Starfall->autoattack->starfall->autoattack-> profit.
Then build Will of the ancients for 25% spell vamp. Regenerate epic amounts of health per Starfall cast. Always kill never die.
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On October 05 2011 23:18 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
Build tanky AP soraka kinda like ryze. Get lich bane : Starfall->autoattack->starfall->autoattack-> profit.
Then build Will of the ancients for 25% spell vamp. Regenerate epic amounts of health per Starfall cast. Always kill never die. what happened to these kinds of alternative soraka builds? people just forgot about it a week after it became popular.
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Well. When people realize Soraka is not support-only anymore, and many people try to threaten with her, they will take her seriously, and than it gets obvious, that she is still bad for anything else than support. Riot killed Soraka as a viable champion. Mediocre support, bad for anything else. Yes, even for that. Yes, even with that build.
tldr: If you dont have the element of surprise, you wont have success with non-support Soraka.
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She was my most played champion season 1 (83-45 with her). I REALLY tried to do something with this new soraka but it just doesn't work, cooldown on heal is too long, ratios are too fucked up. I completly stopped playing her. Thank you for destroying my champ riot
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There's no Raka like a 40% Raka with hat dfg and reverie. Get that 40% CDR and carry your team. Throw a DFG at them, reverie and chase Mashing that Q, and Nuke with that E.
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Uh, Soraka is still one of the most dominating support heroes in the game. I dunno what else to say really.
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On October 07 2011 18:08 Southlight wrote:
Uh, Soraka is still one of the most dominating support heroes in the game. I dunno what else to say really.
Janna and Ali say hi.
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On October 07 2011 18:29 Zdrastochye wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2011 18:08 Southlight wrote:
Uh, Soraka is still one of the most dominating support heroes in the game. I dunno what else to say really. Janna and Ali say hi.
Since when did you have to be top 2 to be "one of the most dominating"?
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On October 06 2011 20:49 RouaF wrote:She was my most played champion season 1 (83-45 with her). I REALLY tried to do something with this new soraka but it just doesn't work, cooldown on heal is too long, ratios are too fucked up. I completly stopped playing her. Thank you for destroying my champ riot
I feel your pain brother Same here, tried to make her work again, but not good. Sure, i can play her in normals sometimes, but its just not the same.
On October 06 2011 22:44 Sabin010 wrote:
There's no Raka like a 40% Raka with hat dfg and reverie. Get that 40% CDR and carry your team. Throw a DFG at them, reverie and chase Mashing that Q, and Nuke with that E.
Nope. Soraka is still not a good AP carry, no matter how hard you try to show it down other people's throats.
On October 07 2011 18:08 Southlight wrote:
Uh, Soraka is still one of the most dominating support heroes in the game. I dunno what else to say really.
Her heals are too rare, and she is too squishy to use q, or even e safely. Yes, sometimes it works, but most times it wont. Even Sona is better now, heal is almost the same, and those auras, that aoe stun, that movement speed.
There are not too many support heroes at all, so being 3rd (and she is NOT 3rd, i can tell you) is not really "one of the most dominating".
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i played some troll saroka last night, raped ashe solo mid till first tower was down then went for ganks, but the following game i just got fucked up by sona top lane ;/
sona op
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On October 07 2011 20:29 turdburgler wrote:
i played some troll saroka last night, raped ashe solo mid till first tower was down then went for ganks, but the following game i just got fucked up by sona top lane ;/
sona op
Soraka is nice against every non-ranged non-super-fast-burst champion [Vayne for example] in mid lane. In the first few levels the opponent simply cant outharrass her or outdamage her heal and she has her E + autoattack (into run away) harrass which wont kill them, but most likely chase them away.
Sadly this changes once anyone comes for a gank and her squishyness is her downfall once she is stunned. Its not like she gets any automatic (and increasing) bonus armor from AP like that new champion Xareth. The bonus magic resist is fixed and isnt much anyways.
So Soraka works in mid lane, but only if the opponents are dumb and send the wrong champion against her and dont gank.
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Btw, why is that soraka's passive is not scaling with lvl? In lategame it gives virtually nothing.
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Just played her. Got 2 warmogs after shurylas.
OH MY GOD!!
farmed crazy 4,5k hp, nobody could kill me as I spammed sooo many starfalls on them hahaha
9-4-19
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Just had a game where our (terrible, terrible) xerath died 3 times to soraka in mid and pretty much let her free farm. (She has over 3x his cs). She got deathcap on her first time back.
She then proceeded to rape all of us. I was able to kill her (as xin) for a while, then she bought thornmail.
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On October 22 2011 23:47 DiracMonopole wrote:
Just had a game where our (terrible, terrible) xerath died 3 times to soraka in mid and pretty much let her free farm. (She has over 3x his cs). She got deathcap on her first time back.
She then proceeded to rape all of us. I was able to kill her (as xin) for a while, then she bought thornmail.
Thornmail on Soraka is pretty crazy with Starcall spam. Add a Sunfire and Melee AD's get stomped.
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On October 22 2011 23:47 DiracMonopole wrote:
Just had a game where our (terrible, terrible) xerath died 3 times to soraka in mid and pretty much let her free farm. (She has over 3x his cs). She got deathcap on her first time back.
She then proceeded to rape all of us. I was able to kill her (as xin) for a while, then she bought thornmail.
I think i could shit over Xerath with Soraka aswell.
She is actually very strong on mid but since nobody seems to realise that it means you don't just win the mid but you also make the enemy team rage against each other (amg noob loses to Soraka).
She is probably the tankiest caster given that she has incredible base stats (MR passive, armor heal).
Her strength comes from the fact that you cant exchange hits since she will just E-Q and you can't really fight a long battle since Q shredding really kicks in.
Also, forcing someone to back is a costly business and often leaves yourself at low mana and/or HP wich means when that guy comes back on the lane he is in good shape to take you down.
If you back from Soraka she can start using E and W to fix herself back into fighting shape.
It's very easy to get ahead with Soraka. Farms like a beast and fights like a beast. Also works great with another AP and she has global influence. Soraka mid has so much gold that R will at times be healing people for half their HP bar.
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On October 07 2011 20:29 turdburgler wrote:
i played some troll saroka last night, raped ashe solo mid till first tower was down then went for ganks, but the following game i just got fucked up by sona top lane ;/
sona op
Are you the Garen I met "P?
Anyways, I do think the revamped soraka much better. I feel her support power is still very good when I lane with her as Caitlyn. Her Q hurts a lot and help me lower enemy hp for my sniping. Her heal add so much armour that I never lose in fire exchange.
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Soraka has a ~50 damage AOE (which also shreds MR) + her auto-attack damage at level 1. This gives her a huge advantage in the very early laning phases due to her ability to always come out ahead when trading blows with other champions. Starcall is also on a 2 second cooldown, allowing for more opportunities to get "free" damage off, when the opposing champion's spells are still on cooldown.
Added to her sustain in lane, with her heal and her infuse, it is very hard to push a good Soraka player out of lane and away from farming. Her pushing the lane with starcall will also cause you to lose creep kills too, when your tower starts eating their minions.
She's not one of the best champions to carry with, but still viable if people know how to play her (but then again, all champions are). Getting 10 stacks of shred on a person, then baiting a tower dive is fun everytime.
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How should battle-raka be built and what are some good match ups for her? I was thinking about picking her against ahri or ryze.
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Standard AP caster runes, Q->E->W then Q>W>E. First main item should be WOTA, mostly situational from there (Ryali's and DC both good). Boots Lucidity or Mercs, personal preference.
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When I was watching scarra do it, he was starting boots three, getting 1-3 dorans rings depending on how well he was doing, merc treads(rarely cdr boots) then getting like revolver, frozen heart, wota, abyssal (order may be off). She is best against short range champions that cant really cs under tower, or who cant deal with sustained damage on them. Honestly she does well against 90% of normal ap mids in lane as you can just perma push the lane.
Its really funny when you get fed and they dont have the burst to kill you and you just run around killing everything with q spam.
Edit - rylais is good too if they are heavy melee that are kitable. Skill order is R>Q, then e or w based on how scared you are of the other mid (w if they have burst/are chunking you, e if you can just zone and laugh at their damage).
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Has anyone tried top Soraka? Her sustained damage is super amazing, she can have a ton of armour for some trades, and she should be able to heavily punish most tops for CSing.
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It's alright purely because Soraka is such a strong solo laner but you're wasting her if she's not against a mage. Her passive gives her a huge advantage early against their ilk.
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On April 20 2012 13:24 HeroHenry wrote:
How should battle-raka be built and what are some good match ups for her? I was thinking about picking her against ahri or ryze.
she's strong vs karthus
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On April 20 2012 13:24 HeroHenry wrote:
How should battle-raka be built and what are some good match ups for her? I was thinking about picking her against ahri or ryze.
She also counters kassadin very hard. Her range on her E is 75 more range than kassadin's Q, so he can never get close enough, in theory, to cast it on you (also helps that her E is instant and his Q is a projectile). Also, the fact that he is melee and has weak AoE means you can just push him under tower the whole time. She shuts him down quite hard and keeps him from roaming around the map, which is his strong point.
On April 22 2012 01:49 ManyCookies wrote:
Has anyone tried top Soraka? Her sustained damage is super amazing, she can have a ton of armour for some trades, and she should be able to heavily punish most tops for CSing.
I don't like pushing top early on, which is what you do as soraka. The ability to stall the lane at your tower pre level 9 for most tops is the goal. Soraka just guarantees that. Your Q pushes the lane every time you harass with it. She has no real escape mechanism, so over-extending on her is very risky.
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Soraka seems to be really not so popular anymore as support (atleast at my elo)
I try to play her quite often when im forced to support but those offensive bot lane combos seem to be a real pain if your not coordinated with ur ad, which basicly always happens when im support.
good thing i have
http://www.mixcloud.com/Soraka/pro-gaming-support-mix/
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On July 12 2012 02:42 Mor1anz wrote:Soraka seems to be really not so popular anymore as support (atleast at my elo) I try to play her quite often when im forced to support but those offensive bot lane combos seem to be a real pain if your not coordinated with ur ad, which basicly always happens when im support. good thing i have http://www.mixcloud.com/Soraka/pro-gaming-support-mix/
I am pretty sure "offensive" supports such as Leona and Blitzcrank counter Soraka. Soraka, in turn, counters poke supports such as Janna and Sona.
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I'm in shit Elo range, but I actually prefer playing Soraka against the aggressive supports like Leona/Blitz/Ali. The ability to silence their aggression at appropriate times has made a ton of difference for saving myself and my support. The burst healing ability also is your best shot at surviving the inevitable "all-in" moments that happen when you or your AD (probably your AD most of the time) gets caught by the aggression. Just my personal opinion on the issue based on my preferences.
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Was the OP to this thread as terrible when it was written as it looks now?
I just started LoL five months ago, so I'm not really sure.
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The OP is about ad soraka. If you want some tips regarding support soraka read further.
Runes:
Marks - armor
Seals - 8 gp10, 1 armor
Glyphs - Flat mres (can also go with flat cdr)
Quints - 2 MS, 1 gp10
Masteries:
http://www.fieldsofjustice.com/m/#/uPPlaPqyleaeZnnZau
The 2 points in awareness can be put anywhere else if needed (maybe in tough skin, if you plan on playing agressively). I find this set of masteries superior to the 1/15/14 which is common on bruiser supports like leona/blitz/taric.
Skill order is either WEWQ or WEWE then R > W > E > Q. You can choose to completely ignore starcall if you wish to play passively.
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Wow...
How is this post so old?
K guys, seriously, play like ONE GAME as AP Soraka and tell me it's not the most fun build in the game.
Anyhow, my question is, in the build linked above, what item (if any) to take out for liandry's?
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just play Sona...the better version of Soraka
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On December 06 2012 04:47 monx wrote:
just play Sona...the better version of Soraka
So you claim... But I have never seen a truely badass Sona. Would you happen to have a link to a good Sona guide handy?
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On December 06 2012 05:12 TheDougler wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 04:47 monx wrote:
just play Sona...the better version of Soraka So you claim... But I have never seen a truely badass Sona. Would you happen to have a link to a good Sona guide handy?
There isn't an updated sona guide here on TL, but if you want i can give you some tips, runes, masteries etc. PM if it sounds interesting. Sona was my most played champion in S2 and helped me gain plat, so i do have some knowledge.
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On December 06 2012 04:47 monx wrote:
just play Sona...the better version of Soraka
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Hue.
Faerie -> Philo + Boots
Kage
Ruby -> Kindle
->Boots5
Ruby/ NMM/ Cloth -> Aegis
->Shurleya's
Wand -> DFG
Wand -> Rabadon/Abyssal
GG
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Oops wrong thread sorry!
To the above, what do you do for tier three boots in this new patch?
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On December 06 2012 13:02 TheDougler wrote:
Oops wrong thread sorry!
To the above, what do you do for tier three boots in this new patch?
Not him, but Soraka is my most played support. I've been thinking mostly Homeguard, but I don't think any of them are super great on her. You can use Furor to help you run away by using E to proc the sprint, and Alacrity is good because it's just straight movement speed.
I wanted to do Crucible on her last game (was supporting a Varus, so wanted more peeling power), but they quit before I could finish it. I liked Chalice though, made W spam a bit less mana intensive and probably would have allowed for some Q spam as well. I mean, I never really feel mana hungry on her except against really aggressive lanes where I'm healing on cooldown, but it's kind of nice to never ever have to leave lane.
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