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Dark_Chill
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada3353 Posts
February 13 2012 06:11 GMT
#181
I recently played as Orianna vs an ap Yi, and it was a really tough lane. His Q could bounce off minions to hit me and his meditate made it so that I couldn't get him to low health. I managed to kill him while he killed me with some good engages, but still, it felt like there was no way I could beat him. Was I doing something wrong or is it just up to my jungler to help kill him early?
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Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
February 13 2012 06:33 GMT
#182
Orianna has really good auto attacks. Early levels you can just demolish him thru right clicks. He's melee, you're ranged. When is Q is on Cd then you have absolutely nothing to be afraid of from him early levels, just walk up to him and attack him.

That being said, AP YI is a favorite for many smurf players, so you might have run into someone who knows how to play, but was just messing around with you.
triangle
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3803 Posts
February 23 2012 17:35 GMT
#183
The first post in this thread seems really out of date, so what is the best route now for jungle Yi?
Also known as waterfall / w4terfall
Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
February 25 2012 00:00 GMT
#184
Depending on how you want to play it, wolves (or wraith jack) -> blue -> your jungle / their red (depending on their jungler) or wraiths -> red -> gank.

It's pretty easy in the new jungle for anybody, so take a look at your lanes in champ select, decide how effective a lvl 2 red gank will be (Does one of your lanes have a stun?). If a lvl 2 red gank doesn't seem effective, then go for a different start.

Wraith jack -> blue and wolves blue depend on what kind of team you have, and what kind of pull you can expect to get.

Q procs also makes things weird. With wraith jack _> blue sometimes you will Q proc the big wraith, sometimes you need to smite it to be safe. If this occurs, you'll need a good pull on your blue, consider if you can rely on a good pull from your team before attempting a wraith jack (just as a back up plan).

The farm the jungle path would probably be wolves > blue > wraiths > red > golems > wraiths > wolves > b. I dont think boots 3 Yi could do it without lucky Q procs, but dorans blade yi, vamp sceptre yi should be ok (try in a custom game first though). If it doesnt work out just go wraiths > golems > red / b / wraiths / wolves
ultimatenewb
Profile Joined January 2012
19 Posts
February 25 2012 01:55 GMT
#185
AP Yi =)
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Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
February 25 2012 04:31 GMT
#186
On February 25 2012 10:55 ultimatenewb wrote:
AP Yi =)

Just a head up, if you're goign to start posting on these forums you'll want to type out posts that have some real content. Something like "ap yi =)" is going to get you warnings etc, but something like "I also really like playing AP Yi heres how I do it: ..." Or "I love AP Yi, thanks for the guide, it's helped me improve at AP YI".
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-25 04:55:42
February 25 2012 04:54 GMT
#187
Yi beats bots really hard. I have to try him as a top laner sometime. Like you kill one bot, then you use ER, kill another, continue the cycle. All he really needs to do this is some MR and lifesteal but I went for the all damage ghostblade route. Never seen anyone own bots so hard.
STYDawn
Profile Joined December 2011
137 Posts
February 25 2012 22:02 GMT
#188
Whats the new jungle build? been using the final yi build but that feels a bit out of date
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
February 26 2012 00:58 GMT
#189
On February 25 2012 13:54 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
Yi beats bots really hard. I have to try him as a top laner sometime. Like you kill one bot, then you use ER, kill another, continue the cycle. All he really needs to do this is some MR and lifesteal but I went for the all damage ghostblade route. Never seen anyone own bots so hard.


hehe dont use E after you kill someone with ult. It actually decreases your dps.

Wuju style gives huge damage bonus when its active, and when its CD is refreshed you get also the passive bonus. So its 1.5 times the passive together.

When you reactivate E, you will lose the passive bonus damage.
And all is illuminated.
Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
February 26 2012 22:25 GMT
#190
On February 26 2012 07:02 STYDawn wrote:
Whats the new jungle build? been using the final yi build but that feels a bit out of date

Depends on the game, but things like wriggles, wits, ghostblade are nice. Atmogs is also nice, but I dunno, I just don't really like it that much on Yi.

Depends on what your team needs you to do really. Splitpushing? itemize attack speed. Gonna be in team fights? Work out your role: Is it to soak up a bit of damage? Atmogs. Is it to come in and clean up? itemize more for damage.

Early game you're tossing up between wriggles or dorans blade stacking. And I feel like wits and brutalizer are also pretty core on him. Afte rthat just evaluate whether you need more damage, or whether you need to survive longer. Oh and Triforce is pretty good on Yi, but in usual games, its an unaffordable luxury.
ManyCookies
Profile Joined December 2010
1164 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-06 00:32:03
March 06 2012 00:30 GMT
#191
AP Yi is actually... quite strong. His Alpha Strike is a great harass tool, and his Meditate has an absolutely ludicrious 400% AP scaling (and the base is actually about 30% more than the tooltip says). With 35 AP at level 1 mediate, you heal 320 health. His mana costs aren't that bad either; I rarely find myself below half mana. His pushing power is really strong after a few levels in Alpha Strike, especially with Highlander, and is somewhat tempered before then. He beats/outlanes a rather large amount of mids (including Morgana, surprisingly). Late game, he can push down towers nearly as fast as his AD counterpart, though can't really split push.

The main issue I've had is teamfighting and non-laning 1v1; if he can jump in when someone is low, he can immediately start chaining Alpha Strikes for a huge amount of damage. However, this either means that Yi has to wait until someone is close to death to engage, or his team has to reliably take out two champions, both without the upfront damage of an AP carry (though the latter can get one Alpha Strike in). Hence his team needs to be on board with that idea. He has an even harder time 1v1ing someone, even with DFG or Lich Bane.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-06 00:38:04
March 06 2012 00:37 GMT
#192
AP Yi feels like a lesser version of AP Trist. Team fighting presents a problem like you said before. Early laning, I feel like he's easily countered by any champion with a CC that can break his Meditate.

Chain Alpha Strikes make or break AP Yi it feels like. :< I'd rather just auto people to death with insane AS/MS if I'm Yi, but that's just me.

Edit: his split pushing is on par with AD Yi but his backdooring is much worse. You need Lich Bane if you plan on BD'ing.
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ManyCookies
Profile Joined December 2010
1164 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-06 00:50:52
March 06 2012 00:46 GMT
#193
Oh I don't use it while they're attacking me. Use it in-between minion waves, or just hold back for a few seconds at a safe-ish distance.

The main problem about his backdooring, unlike AD Yi, is that he can't really 1v1 most people. He needs a teamfight to be really effective.

If nothing else, he has the Swain Effect going for him. People don't see too many "serious" AP Yi (i.e not a pre-30 game) and underestimate just how much of a bully he can be. Which is the main advantage of AP Yi over AD.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
March 06 2012 00:51 GMT
#194
On March 06 2012 09:46 ManyCookies wrote:
Oh I don't use it while they're attacking me. Use it in-between minion waves, or just hold back for a few seconds at a safe-ish distance.

The main problem about his backdooring, unlike AD Yi, is that he can't really 1v1 most people. He needs a teamfight to be really effective.


Well, getting to use Meditate to absorb enemy spells is a highlight for AP Yi. You take hits but still net positive health.

Playing against champions like LeBlanc or Sion, they deny you that option because their combo will break Meditate and they have the range to poke you while you try to heal in safety.
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obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-28 15:32:29
July 28 2012 15:22 GMT
#195
On March 06 2012 09:51 NeoIllusions wrote:
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On March 06 2012 09:46 ManyCookies wrote:
Oh I don't use it while they're attacking me. Use it in-between minion waves, or just hold back for a few seconds at a safe-ish distance.

The main problem about his backdooring, unlike AD Yi, is that he can't really 1v1 most people. He needs a teamfight to be really effective.


Well, getting to use Meditate to absorb enemy spells is a highlight for AP Yi. You take hits but still net positive health.

Playing against champions like LeBlanc or Sion, they deny you that option because their combo will break Meditate and they have the range to poke you while you try to heal in safety.

You can just head out of their sight and heal a bit.

AP yi's a lane bully for sure. So are AP sion and AP nunu. So it's a good thing that they all fall off as hard as an anvil through air. They're all situationally good, but they lack large bursts of damage late game.

Sion loses his shield to AD focus (though his flash combo still works when he's fed and he targets someone squishy). He basically only has two useful skills and his tankiness late game is overrated.

Nunu can rarely ever get his R off, and his E starts to not hurt, but he can still slow an AD's attack speed by 25% . He also builds frozen heart more often that the other two so he's more useful for his team at slowing enemy attack speed. And he can buff his AD's attack and movement speed. I still don't think this is enough to justify having him over a bruiser or mid.

Yi does well when he chains alphas, or the enemy team for some reason attacks him while he's healing. He also has two useful skills.

I find it's very hard to get kills in lane as AP nunu or yi. Sion has an easier time getting fed. I have an easy time staying a bit behind yi and nunu in top lane as kayle. I also feel more useful than them later on. I haven't faced sion but I feel like he'd be the same.

Just looking at the champ list, some other lane bullies are vlad, taric, raka, yorick, shen, riven, and warwick. Basically anyone with free or large amounts of undeniable sustain that they like to get. I find the original 3 I went in detail about to be the more annoying AP bullies.
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obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
August 08 2012 03:31 GMT
#196
Ughh I just played against an AP yi while running teleport on free week viktor mid while I was smurfing. I hate losing to bots so I want a few wins to get my smurf elo to just the right level where I can carry well enough to just beat the bots. It was annoying though. He clears much faster than me and if I'm in range, then he can easily alpha strike a minion and hit me for basically free damage. Very mana efficient too. I just couldn't stay in lane. We ended up winning but I gave up a kill in lane by being greedy and wanting to use up my mana before heading back and died one more time to him after my tower was down. AP yi was 7-0 to start with but did barely anything later on. I think with kayle I was more comfortable staying at tower and just put wards down. Also I'd never run out of mana so I only needed to chug health pots. That was annoying.
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Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
August 09 2012 16:39 GMT
#197
Decided to play some yi, went exhast/smite -> boots 3 wolves blue start Q first into QEQQWR into E max.

Boots 3 -> Wriggles -> Philo/zerkers/mercs -> Phage -> Aegis -> Hex drinker -> GA

I then upgraded every item (phage -> FM, Hex -> MoM) and it actually worked pretty well. Going in and attacking with Yi and waiting for the CC to be over, then pressing W makes you very resilient and you do a shit ton of damage.
greggy
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom1483 Posts
August 09 2012 16:51 GMT
#198
Max E? How does that work? I've not played for a while but doesn't it only add 5 damage (10 on active) per level?
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
August 09 2012 17:15 GMT
#199
On August 10 2012 01:51 greggy wrote:
Max E? How does that work? I've not played for a while but doesn't it only add 5 damage (10 on active) per level?

10 damage is like a free longsword, is kinda how I think about it
Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
August 09 2012 17:16 GMT
#200
How does it work? It gives you 35 free AD doubled to 70 when you activate it and you spend most of your time auto attacking? In team fights as long as someone dies when you have your ult up you get free 70 AD over and over again as well as a billion MS and AS. You need survivability on Yi since he gets so much for free. Free AD, MS and AS on top of a gap closer. Once you have Phage no one is getting away.
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