EPT[Champion] Swain - Page 4
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
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dnastyx
United States2707 Posts
On November 12 2011 02:28 Sponkz wrote: Man swain shits on melee so hard lol. FTFY Actually, are there any melee lanes that Swain loses? | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On November 12 2011 02:56 dnastyx wrote: FTFY Actually, are there any melee lanes that Swain loses? I can't even see kassadin being able to last hit vs swain. Lasers too good! | ||
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57 Corvette
Canada5941 Posts
On November 12 2011 02:56 dnastyx wrote: FTFY Actually, are there any melee lanes that Swain loses? I could see him going about equal with Galio that gets his shield early. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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57 Corvette
Canada5941 Posts
On November 12 2011 03:19 Alaric wrote: Can't Sion wait for his shield to be ready to explode and then just OS the wave? Or is Swain that good at disrupting his farm before he gets enough AP? E+(w)+(q)+Auto attacks hurts considerably. If you go E>W>E>Q>E>R, then yeah you can do a ton of damage with just E+aa | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
I can see him going even with her. His ult will make it so hard to kill him, and you can't even hide in shroud. | ||
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57 Corvette
Canada5941 Posts
Post-6 will depend if Akali has ignite or not. If she does not, Swain will beat her. If she does, Akali will win the lane | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On November 12 2011 02:56 dnastyx wrote: FTFY Actually, are there any melee lanes that Swain loses? I shat on a Swain pretty hard with Wu Kong in one game. It may have just been a bad Swain though. EDIT: Then again, I was knocking off like 1/2 of his HP with each of my E/Q combos in the early game. Not sure what he could have done. | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
On November 12 2011 09:00 xDaunt wrote: I shat on a Swain pretty hard with Wu Kong in one game. It may have just been a bad Swain though. EDIT: Then again, I was knocking off like 1/2 of his HP with each of my E/Q combos in the early game. Not sure what he could have done. I hope he wasn't going 9/0/21 for Mastery. Helps in terms of damage output, but you're pretty squishy if you go it. 0/9/21 is what I (and hopefully most Swains) go. Ult that constantly heals you+tanky? Yes please. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On November 12 2011 09:08 Cloud9157 wrote: I hope he wasn't going 9/0/21 for Mastery. Helps in terms of damage output, but you're pretty squishy if you go it. 0/9/21 is what I (and hopefully most Swains) go. Ult that constantly heals you+tanky? Yes please. He probably was 9/0/21, but I didn't check. I just remember hitting him VERY hard. I think I killed him two or three times before he hit six and more times afterwards (yay ignite). It was a stupidly lopsided lane. | ||
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
On November 12 2011 09:08 Cloud9157 wrote: I hope he wasn't going 9/0/21 for Mastery. Helps in terms of damage output, but you're pretty squishy if you go it. 0/9/21 is what I (and hopefully most Swains) go. Ult that constantly heals you+tanky? Yes please. I'm always torn on masteries for Swain. 9/0/21 vs 0/9/21 is honestly only really a difference of 6 armor and mres when it comes to defensive stats. SoS is nice and all but honestly I feel that after the nerf it's not quite as big a regen boost as you'd like. 15% mpen and 3% cdr vs 6 armor and 6 mres doesn't feel like a huge decision. I'd be hard pressed to say it makes you "tanky" | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
On November 12 2011 09:41 TheYango wrote: Given that R is post-mitigation damage now, it's arguable that 15% MPen contributes considerably to your mid-lategame tankiness in fights now as well. 15% MPen is something like a 10-15% damage increase (higher vs. high MR targets, something like 12% damage increase vs. like 150 MR). 10-15% more damage dealt = 10-15% more healing from R, which is probably more significant "tankiness" than 6 armor and 6 MR. Haha, I hadn't even considered that. Very good point. Shit, what are the best masteries for swain? I always run 9/0/21 or 0/9/21 depending on how scared I am of the early game. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23448 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 12 2011 09:44 Haemonculus wrote: Haha, I hadn't even considered that. Very good point. Shit, what are the best masteries for swain? I always run 9/0/21 or 0/9/21 depending on how scared I am of the early game. That's probably the best way to decide, given that SoS is the deal-breaker in that decision most of the time. Personally I think 9/0/21 actually seems to be the better way in most cases right now. Boots+3pot is going to be a way more common start than Blue Crystal+2pot, meaning SoS doesn't kick in to a significant amount of hp5 for a while. Hp5 becomes a significantly less useful stat for you after level 6, and if you're not starting with Blue Crystal, the level 1-5 value of SoS just isn't that high (2 Hp5 at level 1, to about 4 Hp5 at level 5--not going to make or break that many matchups). | ||
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h3r1n6
Iceland2039 Posts
On November 12 2011 09:11 xDaunt wrote: He probably was 9/0/21, but I didn't check. I just remember hitting him VERY hard. I think I killed him two or three times before he hit six and more times afterwards (yay ignite). It was a stupidly lopsided lane. What item did he start with? Or rather, how much armor did he have at the start? He was probably bad anyway  I like 9/0/21 better on swain most of the time, since it helps my harassment/nuke be scarier. Offense is the best defense after all. | ||
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SHr3DD3r
Pakistan2137 Posts
Just sayin' | ||
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