EPTAlso catalyst-->deathcap-->zonyas-->bveil pretty standard swain build atm I think, just hog blue buff as much as possible.
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
Also catalyst-->deathcap-->zonyas-->bveil pretty standard swain build atm I think, just hog blue buff as much as possible. | ||
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
Banshee's is a good pick if you got cata but other options are: GA (when snowballin' out of control and they need to focus you first) SV (if you need cheap survivability and more healz) QSS (Ignited? Suppressed? Disabled before you could ult? QSS-R-Zhonya) My favorite is GA because it lets me play far more recklessly than I should. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
Melee heroes in general are kinda screwed, since they're usually gonna eat a full laserbird to harass. Garen is tough for Swain and forces him to max his root first. Long ranged champs generally beat Swain. Annie and Tristana especially. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On May 17 2011 02:03 Mogwai wrote: yo, someone tell me how to beat swain in lane. I feel like it's literally impossible to beat this fucker in lane. Gotta harass him before he hits 6. Otherwise after that, you is pretty fucked. Debuff healing like Kat or Trist is nice. He just heals way too much off siege creep waves. Your jungle/roamer must be persistent. Swain can normally get away scot free by Q+W the ganker, especially if the gank doesn't come with a jump skill to close the distance. | ||
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dogen
Belgium108 Posts
On May 17 2011 00:50 Slayer91 wrote: I'm pretty sure it works on not only auto attacks, his abilities, but also ignite, so abuse it. Also catalyst-->deathcap-->zonyas-->bveil pretty standard swain build atm I think, just hog blue buff as much as possible. That's the thing, i thought i was pretty sure it worked on abilities and ignite, but it's really pretty hard to say. Once you get some AP, the increase in damage might just as well be because of that, rather than torment's supposed effect on abilities. I'm really confused because the spell description so clearly states that it only boosts 'attacks'. Attacks, as opposed to the more general 'damage', which is so often used in other contexts. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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0123456789
United States3216 Posts
On May 17 2011 02:03 Mogwai wrote: yo, someone tell me how to beat swain in lane. I feel like it's literally impossible to beat this fucker in lane. tell your jungler to gank top. Even better if you get like a shaco. Get a roamer too, since they just f up any lane. How to really beat him: Keep spamming taunt. He's gonna get real pissed off hearing some annoying phrase over and over and over again, then when he wastes his nukes and gets out of position, gank him. That'll make him real mad. Imagine you dominating a lane, and then you get ganked by like 2 people with 10 globa stuns and you're like wtf how am I supposed to win vs 2 10 sec global stuns, like that takes no skills. That's real rage inducing. Then when he comes back, rinse and repeat. Gaming is not always about skills Oh yeah, reading the post above, it means all the swains got you psychologically. Time to get them back with mind games. Also, nidalee can do well vs swain because she can dodge those gay roots and heal vs any early harass type shits. Don't trade hits with nidalee though pre 6. | ||
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Wala.Revolution
7584 Posts
Ignite, dodge root if you can. Nothing special can be really done other than dodging root (which smart Swain players won't rely on chance anyway) since his damage is point-and-click. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On May 17 2011 03:00 Wala.Revolution wrote: Well if you lose in exchanges pre-6, you're fucked unless someone else comes or he makes a mistake. Ignite, dodge root if you can. Nothing special can be really done other than dodging root (which smart Swain players won't rely on chance anyway) since his damage is point-and-click. Am I crazy though? Like, I play characters who are very good at pre-6 exchanges so you'd think I'd be able to just dump on him up until 6, but I swear Swain always ends up ahead vs. me. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
Xin, Charge (E) in and auto attack once, then disengage. When you back off, strafe left or right. Moving towards Swain is ok if there isn't too much creep aggro. Be careful to walk back towards your tower. That's usually when Swain will try to snare you. Obv don't be predictable in your movements. The main point is to bait either Q and/or W, so you can combo Swain while his CDs are down. If anything, Swain's level 1 Q and W have pretty long CD, more than Xin or Jar. So capitalize then. Swain is not someone you want to trade early combos with. His E bonus damage will rape you. Playing vs Swain takes patience and finesse because of his slowing/snaring kit. Post 6, only engage Swain after your creep wave has been cleared. Don't let him be a 97 revolver holding bird. TL:DR Xin: E+auto normally. E+Q only when Swain's Q and/or W are down (you can combo him, his skills on CD) Jarman: Q harass normally. Q+E only when Swain's on CD. | ||
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
On May 17 2011 03:20 NeoIllusions wrote: (...) Jarman: Q harass normally. Q+E only when Swain's on CD. I think q->e is fine, just e-> q not  | ||
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ptrpb
Canada753 Posts
Torment stacks with auto attack You have a slow and a snare, and your ult gives you survivability Great troll build, fun to play with. | ||
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
Either they go tanky and do laughable damage and i /ignore or they go caster and you can literally just kill them before even a single flock of ravens go back and forth. | ||
Shawngood
Germany473 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On May 18 2011 06:26 zalz wrote: I don't think i will ever understand what people see in Swain. I consider him a very bad champ. I can't play him for shit and i never have any problem facing one. Swain has extremely good lane matchups against a lot of popular champs. Particularly against tanky melee solos, Swain can just shit on many of them in lane. On May 18 2011 06:26 zalz wrote: Either they go tanky and do laughable damage and i /ignore or they go caster and you can literally just kill them before even a single flock of ravens go back and forth. If Swain is putting himself in a position where he gets burst down like that, then he's playing terrible. He's an AP carry--he's still squishy when it comes down to it, but compared to other AP carries, Swain is pretty damn hard to anti-carry because of how quickly he'll heal back up, and because of how most of the beefy anti-carries like Irelia don't have the means to burst him down like that alone. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On May 18 2011 07:49 Shawngood wrote: You can E -> Q out of Nevermove with Jarvan. Working as intended? You can EQ out of pretty much everything with Jarvan. Not related to Swain, just Jarvan being OP. | ||
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HeadhunteR
Argentina1258 Posts
On May 17 2011 02:03 Mogwai wrote: yo, someone tell me how to beat swain in lane. I feel like it's literally impossible to beat this fucker in lane. Ignite. The passives/abilities that negate his health regen, (gankplank,tristana, kat, Miss Fortune). | ||
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Wala.Revolution
7584 Posts
On May 18 2011 19:05 HeadhunteR wrote: Ignite. The passives/abilities that negate his health regen, (gankplank,tristana, kat, Miss Fortune). You must be a genius. None of us ever thought of that before. | ||
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