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BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-27 02:14:48
December 27 2010 02:12 GMT
#41
Your build sounds exactly like the one Guardsman Bob uses actually. He does wriggles, GB, phage, atmas, banshee's and won't complete phage into frozen mallet unless he's item capped, pumping elixers constantly, and still has a lot of gold.

Order of phage. atmas, and banshee's normally is dependent on the game.
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fadestep
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States605 Posts
December 27 2010 02:24 GMT
#42
On December 27 2010 11:12 BlackPaladin wrote:
Your build sounds exactly like the one Guardsman Bob uses actually. He does wriggles, GB, phage, atmas, banshee's and won't complete phage into frozen mallet unless he's item capped, pumping elixers constantly, and still has a lot of gold.

Order of phage. atmas, and banshee's normally is dependent on the game.


Thats the Udyr!!

Haha. Well yeah its a good way for Xin because you are a good mix of tank and DPS at all the right times in the game. Nice to have a build that a good player uses!
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Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-27 16:39:09
December 27 2010 06:23 GMT
#43
Yep I was going to post eventually that I really like that build and it's just extremely extremely solid, especially with the nerfs to the other tanky items.

Wriggles I think is a preference thing. Wards are quite an investment to keep buying now that they don't last as long and die really easily. So the gameplay value of wriggles went up.

I would like starks much better on Xin though.
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Advocado
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Denmark994 Posts
December 27 2010 09:18 GMT
#44
Isn't building wriggles on a laning character putting you at an disadvantage?
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fadestep
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States605 Posts
December 27 2010 17:17 GMT
#45
On December 27 2010 18:18 Advocado wrote:
Isn't building wriggles on a laning character putting you at an disadvantage?


Why? Its good for pushing, keeping you alive (with the lifesteal and armor), free wards, and it helps at neutrals (Xin is great with red, as well as extra damage at dragon and baron).
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Advocado
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Denmark994 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-27 21:23:44
December 27 2010 17:52 GMT
#46
On December 28 2010 02:17 fadestep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2010 18:18 Advocado wrote:
Isn't building wriggles on a laning character putting you at an disadvantage?


Why? Its good for pushing, keeping you alive (with the lifesteal and armor), free wards, and it helps at neutrals (Xin is great with red, as well as extra damage at dragon and baron).


That makes a lot of sense. Just that you get the Recurve Bow a bit later, but that doesn't matter so much I guess. I definitely like the Bloodrazer after having gotten it during a game of jungle xin zhao. Just seemed like you would have to go a bit out of your way to get it.

I played with Stinger earlier today and that felt really good, but probably more likely to be the opponents having a day off. The CD% is great and att spd is cheap on it.
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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-27 22:57:14
December 27 2010 22:53 GMT
#47
instead of wriggles just build triple doran's, lol. It's still good. For 300 less gold you get the same attack damage and lifesteal and 300 health instead of 30 armor (wayyyyy better), and you don't have to build out of cloth armor and longsword.
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barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
December 27 2010 23:25 GMT
#48
On December 28 2010 07:53 UniversalSnip wrote:
instead of wriggles just build triple doran's, lol. It's still good. For 300 less gold you get the same attack damage and lifesteal and 300 health instead of 30 armor (wayyyyy better), and you don't have to build out of cloth armor and longsword.


uh, it also takes up 3 inventory space. pain in the ass if you're still buying wards/hp pots, which as xin (an off-tank) seems like part of your responsibility. not to mention the fact that i like to build omen and bveil at the same time, going for some combination of hog, catalyst, chain vests and null magic mantle (with exceptions against certain dmg types), means that having your lanestaying item as 1 slot and combining partly with ward space is pretty convenient.

i do agree that i'd rather have starks over wriggles, but at the same time theres a pretty significant cost difference, not to mention the built in wards. not to mention the fact that theres nothing stopping you from simply selling your wriggles for starks once you've gotten pretty good gold returns from the bonus wards.
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UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-28 00:13:01
December 28 2010 00:12 GMT
#49
On December 28 2010 08:25 barbsq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2010 07:53 UniversalSnip wrote:
instead of wriggles just build triple doran's, lol. It's still good. For 300 less gold you get the same attack damage and lifesteal and 300 health instead of 30 armor (wayyyyy better), and you don't have to build out of cloth armor and longsword.


uh, it also takes up 3 inventory space. pain in the ass if you're still buying wards/hp pots, which as xin (an off-tank) seems like part of your responsibility. not to mention the fact that i like to build omen and bveil at the same time, going for some combination of hog, catalyst, chain vests and null magic mantle (with exceptions against certain dmg types), means that having your lanestaying item as 1 slot and combining partly with ward space is pretty convenient.

i do agree that i'd rather have starks over wriggles, but at the same time theres a pretty significant cost difference, not to mention the built in wards. not to mention the fact that theres nothing stopping you from simply selling your wriggles for starks once you've gotten pretty good gold returns from the bonus wards.


Eh, what? I assume you're building blades ----> damage item (ghostblade, bloodrazors) ----> tank items. Going straight for wriggles or starks into tank items seems pretty questionable, you won't have much damage output even for an off-tank.
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Aukai
Profile Joined April 2003
United States1183 Posts
December 28 2010 04:42 GMT
#50
I'm liking this build with xin I'm feeling empowered again. what runes masteries are you guys running? I'm using

Ghost/Exhaust
1/14/15
Flat HP Quint, AS Marks, Flat Armor Seals, Mres/lvl Blues.
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snowbird
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Germany2044 Posts
December 28 2010 07:44 GMT
#51
Xin is my second most played champion and I've played a lots of game with him. Upon reading this thread I notice that I don't use any items all of you guys seem to prefer. I also don't build him tanky most of the times.

My runes:

HP Quints
Red AD or Apen (nowadays I prefer AD, helps jungle)
Yellow Dodge
Blue Mana

My masteries are:

21 - 9 - 0 when laning
21 - 0 - 9 when jungling (I usually jungle)

When jungling I start with the 300g armor and 5 pots into Madred's Razors -> Boots -> Wit's End. That's usually my basic build. From there I'll see how the game goes and what is needed against enemy champs. Usually I opt for Phage->Frozen Mallet or Madred's Bloodrazer. If they have a lot of AP I go Hexdrinker after Wit's End.

I personally love Wit's End. It's such a cheap item for the what you get. For 2150 it does 42 dmg, 40%, 30MR, burns 42 Mana. The only disadvantage is that you don't get the 42dmg as bonus dmg so it doesn't affect your abilities. Still, the items totally rules mid game imo.

I gotta try getting SotD and Ghostblade, because that's what you guys all seem to use as a basic build.
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Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
December 28 2010 16:24 GMT
#52
I've never really tried Wits End on Xin but I'll give it a go for normals.

Really don't understand why you would not want attack speed runes if you're jungling though.
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Glasse
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1237 Posts
December 28 2010 19:18 GMT
#53
how do you lane against a good gp with xin? Everytime i play gp against xin top i deny him so hard while staying at my tower he can't even try anything. Then he manage to call gp overpowered when i finally go shop and own him with q. I fail to see what xin could do though, if the lane never pushes
Aukai
Profile Joined April 2003
United States1183 Posts
December 28 2010 23:05 GMT
#54
I did play a GP mid once it was a pain in the ass I just had to be very careful and let your pots run their course before you go in to avoid an auto attack and his passive.
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Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
December 28 2010 23:16 GMT
#55
Solo gp vs any melee is a very happy day for GP.
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Papvin
Profile Joined May 2009
Denmark610 Posts
January 04 2011 20:48 GMT
#56
Hm, is there something I'm missing about Xin jungling? I've tried it a couple of times, and I must say I've rarely played a worse jungler, it's like, Shen's faster? My jungle runes are not at all optimized for Xin, that might be the problem? Running ArPen, Armor, CDR and Health.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
January 04 2011 20:57 GMT
#57
On December 29 2010 08:16 Chrispy wrote:
Solo gp vs any melee is a very happy day for GP.

except Pantheon
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Fates
Profile Joined June 2010
United States91 Posts
January 04 2011 21:06 GMT
#58
On January 05 2011 05:48 Papvin wrote:
Hm, is there something I'm missing about Xin jungling? I've tried it a couple of times, and I must say I've rarely played a worse jungler, it's like, Shen's faster? My jungle runes are not at all optimized for Xin, that might be the problem? Running ArPen, Armor, CDR and Health.


In my experience as well, I wasn't too impressed with Xin's jungle.

IMO he lanes much better than he jungles.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
January 04 2011 21:12 GMT
#59
if you have to jungle with xin, the most important thing is to start at small gols. Blue golem isn't necessary and actually just slows your path up. He's a bad jungler on his first go-round, but he's a pretty good ganker and is a very safe jungler with a very dangerous gank once he has razors and his ult.
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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-05 04:15:56
January 04 2011 21:44 GMT
#60
With Attack Speed Quints/Marks, Armor Seals and Flat CDR Glyphs Xin can clear in 4:00 starting at blue. I haven't tried starting at golems as I usually play other junglers.

Edit: On my first try going golems first I did 4:03 with plenty of health left over for a gank attempt. Not sure why people say Xin is slow.
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