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Kinky
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States4126 Posts
January 06 2011 22:08 GMT
#61
What path do you take after the golems?
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
January 06 2011 22:11 GMT
#62
It was a fairly straightforward Golems->Lizard->Wraiths->Wolves->Blue path. Saved Smite for Lizard and Blue, and didn't worry about saving mana until Wolves (and even then I saved too much). If you want I can try and put together a video when I get home from work.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Kinky
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States4126 Posts
January 06 2011 22:32 GMT
#63
That would be nice. I've been trying to find a viable Xin route that didn't leave him too low to gank.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
January 07 2011 14:39 GMT
#64
I might have exaggerated how much health I had, but it's still a fast clear. Here's the video.

"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
ghen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1356 Posts
January 10 2011 17:56 GMT
#65
People don't realize when they practice jungling.. You need bots in the game to make the monsters level up the fastest.

I practice with one bot on my team and 2 on the other side. That seems to get an optimally high level bot at any point in the jungle practice so that it's closer to a real game.

First blood games get even crazier if you already jungle at low health.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
January 10 2011 18:07 GMT
#66
personally I hate the gols -> red route for the obvious reason that your red buff is wasted entirely on jungling. I do gols -> wraiths -> wolves -> blue -> wraiths -> red -> gols, though I think there's some merit to just backing after blue to buy boots and a ward for dragon if you want to be safe about that + to give you more time with boots + red buff for ganking.
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ghen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1356 Posts
January 10 2011 19:39 GMT
#67
Are people doing dragon that early these days?
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
January 10 2011 20:16 GMT
#68
EzPz had a sick early dragon vs. my Jungle Xin a couple days ago. I felt like I lost my team the game there, but then my team's solos were a lot better than the opposing solos, so we roflstomped.
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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-11 01:25:00
January 10 2011 20:55 GMT
#69
On January 11 2011 02:56 ghen wrote:
People don't realize when they practice jungling.. You need bots in the game to make the monsters level up the fastest.

I practice with one bot on my team and 2 on the other side. That seems to get an optimally high level bot at any point in the jungle practice so that it's closer to a real game.

First blood games get even crazier if you already jungle at low health.


Are you sure about that? I haven't been able to find a definitive source on the subject. The wiki claims it's based on elapsed time whereas this post claims it's based on the highest level champion in the game.

In either of those two cases the presence of bots in a practice game would be almost irrelevant for a straight clear as long as it wasn't slow. Your mid is going to hit level 2 at ~2:45, 3 at ~3:15 and 4 at ~3:45. Both routes shown in my video have the buff creeps dead by that point.

Edit: Just tested using bots. It's definitely based on the highest level champion in the game on either side. So for any jungler who can level faster than a solo laner bots are irrelevant.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Black Paper Moon
Profile Joined December 2010
Chile20 Posts
January 11 2011 01:17 GMT
#70
Could you talk about your runes, masteries and item builds for jungling and non-jungling Xin, Mogwai?
Let justice be done, though the heavens may fall.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
January 11 2011 20:16 GMT
#71
sure

in lane, I run Flat HP, ArPen, Armor, and MRes. As Chrispy and others have said, this does strain your mana pool a bit, but I just play pretty conservatively with my skill usage with Xin unless I have blue buff or am all-in on a fight. If you want you can replace Armor with Mana Regen and I've been thinking about doing so myself, I just like showing up on lane with over 50/50 in Armor/MRes. I run 0/21/9 and Ghost Ignite or 1/21/8 and Ghost Exhaust. The item build is d-shield -> boots -> merc treads + ghostblade (order depends) -> Black Cleaver + Guardian Angel + Banshee's (order depends).

in jungle... uhg, I'm currently bouncing between 2 builds. The first is my old build... AS Marks and Quints, Armor Seals, MRes Glyphs. 1/16/13. Start cloth + 5 hp pots, start gols (smite) -> wraiths -> wolves -> blue (smite) -> wraiths -> red (smite) -> gols. back and buy razors, then you go mercs -> recurve bow -> Bloodrazor + Guardian Angel + Banshee's Veil (order depends), occasionally with phage -> frozen mallet mixed in somewhere. The idea with this build is that you're an initiating tank. You go into the fight first and just try to last the longest. Who you end up fighting isn't terribly relevant because you pose a serious threat to anyone with bloodrazors and your CC which is super charged by your W + attack speed. The issue with this build and why I've been shifting off of it is that one of Xin's best uses is as a strict counter to ranged carries and just instantly blowing them up. While this build can kill anyone, it's not really optimized to blow up squishy high priority targets. Which leads into...

My new jungle build, which is ArPen Marks, HP Quints, Armor Seals, MRes Glyphs (same page as laning). same 1/16/13 spec as the other jungle setup, same starting path, though you don't end up as high health with this build, so backing after blue for boots, a ward and a couple pots and then going gols -> red -> wraiths -> wolves can be preferable. The item build is cloth -> boots -> wriggle's lantern -> merc treads -> ghostblade -> GA/Banshee's -> Black Cleaver. This build doesn't outlast tanks the way the other one does, but it will absolutely demolish opposing carries that you focus.
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gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
February 01 2011 09:03 GMT
#72
after the jungle MR changes i've been doing a bit of jungle xin (I KNOW HE'S BETTER IN LANE GOD) and i found this route to be p good

wraith jack (smite blue, use Q to reset auto attacks) -> pot on your way to SMALL GOLEM JACK make sure you pull them out of the sight of creep waves -> your own wolves -> your own wraiths -> your own golems -> B to get more pot + long sword -> blue wolf wraith golem b for madreds or wriggles and boots -> red GANK

yes the gank comes late, but if you have time to get a gank in anywhere, take it, cause you're at high HP for this whole route. for example last game after the b for long sword, top lane was pushed pretty far so i got an easy gank then headed straight to blue to continue the route. the main problem with this is that since you're not taking any of the high-money value creeps, you get your madreds later which slows you down a bit, but it's been pretty safe, it fucks the other jungler pretty royally (they were 4 when i hit 6, even though our bottom lane fed him a double kill x_x)

my item build for both laning and jungling xin has been the same, i feel like this shouldn't work at all but i have had gr8 success with it

wriggles (for jungle only) -> boots -> recurve bow -> sword of the divine -> mercs -> giant's belt, ruby gem -> phage -> frozen mallet -> hella survivability as appropriate, sometimes ghostblade.

ghostblade active + w nets you like 1.7 AS, combined with mallet no one is getting away from you EVER, it's great for just doing your standard E,R initiate then chasing down the already half-health carry and not dying because of imba armor/mr boost from ult and imba passive

also you mow down towers like it's your fucking job, which it is

i run
MS quint
arpen red
ar/level yellow
mr/level blue
1/14/15 or 0/21/9

note: i am 100% positive this is not an optimal build at all, smash's is probs wayyy better but like i said, for some reason this has been working fiendishly well for me so i'm gonna stick with it a bit
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
February 26 2011 21:48 GMT
#73
Any updates on Xin builds? What does guardsman bob run these days for example?
dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
February 26 2011 21:54 GMT
#74
Gman bob runs the same build, but sometimes skips Wriggle's in favor of a fast bruta->GB
Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
February 27 2011 02:15 GMT
#75
His normal xin runes are different too. He runs armor pen reds, and atk spd everything else.
He gets Wriggles after GB.
Whaaaa?
dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
February 27 2011 02:33 GMT
#76
To be exact, his Xin runes are:

1 ArPen Quint, 2 ASPD quints
9 ArPen reds
7 ASPD yellows, 2 Armor yellows
9 ASPD blues
Phantx
Profile Joined January 2011
Panama18 Posts
February 28 2011 17:35 GMT
#77
On February 27 2011 06:54 dnastyx wrote:
Gman bob runs the same build, but sometimes skips Wriggle's in favor of a fast bruta->GB


What do you mean by "the same build"?
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
February 28 2011 17:49 GMT
#78
Wriggles-->GB-->Tanky stuff
Phantx
Profile Joined January 2011
Panama18 Posts
March 10 2011 05:56 GMT
#79
Anyone knows Guardsman Bob's masteries?
dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
March 10 2011 06:12 GMT
#80
21/8/1
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