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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 07:16:14
November 15 2011 07:15 GMT
#141
On November 15 2011 16:05 sermokala wrote:
Idk the q does more dammage and has a better range. if I can't land the first couple q's I go for the w abuse but otherwise I think that q is just better in all ways.

You're guaranteed a W off of every Q and can often W without a Q. The damage scaling is similar, but the big deal-breaker is the fact that W's silence duration scales. A 3 second silence is noticeably stronger than a 2 second silence, particularly in team-fights where you're locking 2-3 people out of their abilities.
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
November 15 2011 09:28 GMT
#142
On November 15 2011 16:05 sermokala wrote:
Idk the q does more dammage and has a better range. if I can't land the first couple q's I go for the w abuse but otherwise I think that q is just better in all ways.

I used to think the same way. When you start playing against good players you'll realize how much stronger w is than q in lane.

My position:

Q has the same ap ratio regardless of how you level it.
Q doesn't gain anything but damage from leveling it, and damage isn't the main point of rupture.
Q is really hard to hit against good players and certain champs.
W gains silence duration.
W is pretty much always gonna hit, even against good players.

Also, can we move this over to the new Cho thread? This one.
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nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
November 15 2011 11:19 GMT
#143
maxing Q over W is just silly.

W super easy to land
W gains silence duration

ok actually 5hit just said the same things so yes W please
cool beans
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
November 23 2011 02:38 GMT
#144
I've been playing Caster Cho mid and it's complete rape against certain champs and extremely hard against only one or two. You wreck almost anyone but Brand. Start W or Q, then go the other followed by R>W>Q>E with one point in E at 4.

Flat AP quints, mpen reds, mp5/lv yellows or flat ap yellows, ap/lv blues, something casterish like 22/0/8.

You completely dominate champs that don't open boots and don't have MR runes. It's silly. I've played games where I screamed Swains at level 3 for over 1/3 their HP, and there's nothing they can do about it besides eat a pot and play way back.
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BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
April 19 2012 05:41 GMT
#145
Is Chogath a good counter to Olaf? Whenever people list counters to Olaf it's usually people who can kite him, but Cho is tanky with high health so true damage doesn't really matter to him even though he is technically melee. He has some spells to harass and his vorpal spikes do give him some range. His feast also seems to counter Olaf's ultimate, but before that I suppose it's just how well you use rupture like a lot of Cho's matchups.
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
April 20 2012 04:09 GMT
#146
If you play it right you can win the matchup. I tend to crush olafs just because of the mindgames I play, but honestly I don't think a good olaf should ever lose to cho. At some point they should just be too tanky for you to kill unless you're going max e, which I sometimes do.
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Perplex
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1693 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-26 13:10:38
June 26 2012 13:01 GMT
#147
are there any plans to update the OP? It seems somewhat outdated

also, do you have vods of your cho play 5hit?
http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/24238059
OnceKing
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States939 Posts
June 26 2012 13:22 GMT
#148
On June 26 2012 22:01 Perplex wrote:
are there any plans to update the OP? It seems somewhat outdated

also, do you have vods of your cho play 5hit?

There's a new Cho'Gath topic at http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=279157
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