does magic resist reduce spell damage by 1 point per resist or is it more? thats something ive alwayswondered atleast

and when y home internet is up ill probably end up giving just armor/magic rez chogath a test

Niton

United States2395 Posts

November 19 2010 01:58 GMT

#22

Mres = 2 per 1% until 100%, then whatever makes it 75% at 300

STS17

United States1817 Posts

November 19 2010 02:24 GMT

#23

Damage Mitigation is calculated by the following formula:

Damage reduction = X / (100 + X) and whatever that percentage comes out to is the reduction you get. X is your armor or magic resist.

Reworded: Damage taken from any source will be: (Damage * 100) / (100 + X) where X is the appropriate mitigation value, modified by penetration.

Using Niton's numbers, 100 and 300, fit into the formula this way:

Damage Reduction: 100 / (100 + 100) = 100 / 200 = 50%
Damage Taken: 100 / (100 + 100) = 100 / 200 = 50%

Damage Reduction: 300 / (100 + 300) = 300 / 400 = 75%
Damage Taken: 100 / (100 + 300) = 100 / 400 = 25%

Again, if penetration exists (it usually does) then modify X before plugging it in here.

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

November 19 2010 11:31 GMT

#24

Glacial/Frozen is boss as fk on cho because of the CDR, also Randuins if you're going tank/cdr. Depending on where I am I go either straight AP into GA to preserve both my "I'm a huge nuker" and "we probably shouldn't focus cho but I can't help it" status or mass tank cdr "HE FEASTED TWICE IN THE SAME FIGHT?"

oberon

United States1320 Posts

November 19 2010 13:57 GMT

#25

On November 19 2010 20:31 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Glacial/Frozen is boss as fk on cho because of the CDR, also Randuins if you're going tank/cdr. Depending on where I am I go either straight AP into GA to preserve both my "I'm a huge nuker" and "we probably shouldn't focus cho but I can't help it" status or mass tank cdr "HE FEASTED TWICE IN THE SAME FIGHT?"

I frickin' hate that two feast thing. I see Cho feast someone and I'm like "ok, can boss Cho around now" -- finally chase him down to like 400 HP, and he eats me -- "wtf?"

What's the base CD on Feast?

Jaksiel

United States4130 Posts

November 19 2010 15:48 GMT

#26

Base CD on Feast is a minute, so at max CDR it's 36 seconds.

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

November 22 2010 17:37 GMT

#27

I've been doing more and more of the feast mode cho in the jungle, it's pretty boss. 1/8/21 + spirit visage/randuins/frozen heart and you're at max cdr and tanky as fk to boot.

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

December 21 2010 19:15 GMT

#28

Okay, Cho guide updated, it's closer to what I do now.

Scip

Czech Republic11293 Posts

December 22 2010 13:27 GMT

#29

I think lane cho should always level E once against melee champion at lvl 2/3, and sometimes against ranged champs. It allows you to autoattack enemy and profit from it more often, which is IMO worth 1 lvl in Q.

I also experiment with Rylai's Sceptre and in my opinion it is very powerful; 15% AoE slow on your autoattack really makes everything easier, and slow on your W and Q are just a bonus. Especially nice on tank Cho, as you will want as much CC as you can get.

Anyway GJ on the guide, I like it ^^

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

January 10 2011 23:36 GMT

#30

I just do whatever now but I max W and tailor my build to what the team needs. We needed a tank this game so I went mass CDR tank items with rylais for AP/more cc and then banshees/GA cuz i had a shit ton of money from all the kills.

oberon

United States1320 Posts

January 11 2011 00:53 GMT

#31

CDR boots + randuin's = CDR cap. Too gimmicky?

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

January 11 2011 01:03 GMT

#32

On January 11 2011 09:53 oberon wrote:
CDR boots + randuin's = CDR cap. Too gimmicky?

Er, that's only 23% CDR. Even if you're running a full set of CDR glyphs, and 9/0/21 masteries, you're still going to be ~2% CDR short of the cap. And if you're using the rune/masteries setup from the OP, that's not even close to cap.

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

January 11 2011 03:05 GMT

#33

So the build I'm working on atm is like dorans -> boots -> HoG -> Catalyst -> merc -> Rylais -> Spirit Visage/finish Randuins/finish Banshees depending -> GA/Frozen Heart with my AP page.

DarthThienAn

United States2734 Posts

January 12 2011 03:54 GMT

#34

On January 11 2011 10:03 TheYango wrote:

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I ? don't glyphs give 8.1 at 18 and then masteries give 9 flat, so that makes 40?

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

January 12 2011 04:09 GMT

#35

On January 12 2011 12:54 DarthThienAn wrote:

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I ? don't glyphs give 8.1 at 18 and then masteries give 9 flat, so that makes 40?

Scaling glyphs give 8.1, flat only give just shy of 6. I was going off the assumption of flat glyphs, because scaling CDR glyphs really aren't that good (flat CDR glyphs are already overrated, and in most cases, the scaling glyphs are worse--the breakeven point is really late).

Plus, the point is still moot, because if you're going 0/8/22 or 0/9/21 (which are probably both better than 9/0/21 on Cho), you only get 6% CDR from masteries--and CDR glyphs, flat or scaling, are both probably not optimal choices on Cho'gath.

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

January 12 2011 05:44 GMT

#36

Yeah ever since the randuins nerf it's been pretty hard to hit the cap reliably with cho but usually you can convince your team to give you blue buff unless it's more useful on someone else and a blue elixir still caps you out with SV/randuins/utility tree.

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

January 12 2011 05:45 GMT

#37

And don't forget about glacial shroud/frozen heart vs those auto-attacker teams!

awesomoboi

United States42 Posts

January 12 2011 07:18 GMT

#38

Was wondering about when jungling with Cho, what's your follow-up build after cloth armor + pots? Just follow what your lane build gets after starting items?

Edit: nevermind. Read too fast. found it later in jungle strategy section.

Sentenal

United States12398 Posts

January 17 2011 22:47 GMT

#39

I've been told that a good Chogath build is Abyssal Scepter/Banshees Veil/Frozen Heart (in whatever order you need them). It seems to work for me, I'm just curious about how it compares overall to the build in the op.

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

January 18 2011 02:23 GMT

#40

It's such a situational thing that it really depends who's on each team and what items they have and what scores they have and what your role on your team is so it's hard to say. Try to think it through for yourself and see if you can come up with something.