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[TLCH] Mission 15: Rak'shir

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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-11 08:02:07
November 11 2015 02:47 GMT
#1
Please use this thread to discuss the fifteenth level of the LotV campaign, "Rak'shir". This is the second Slayn mission. Clearly mark spoilers using the spoiler tag. Plot events that occurred in the prologue or Missions 1-11 and 14 do not need to be spoilered. Please spoiler plot events from Missions 12-13 and 16 which can be played before this mission.

Feel free to use this thread to ask any simple questions you might have about the mission, or for tips/help/advice on completing the mission
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13994 Posts
November 11 2015 02:54 GMT
#2
Use Void Rays NOT the taldarim kind the normal kind
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
November 11 2015 04:36 GMT
#3
Even Tal'darim kind are super OP here
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13994 Posts
November 11 2015 04:47 GMT
#4
On November 11 2015 13:36 Plexa wrote:
Even Tal'darim kind are super OP here

you think so? they dont look like they work on brutal
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Alventenie
Profile Joined July 2007
United States2147 Posts
November 11 2015 05:06 GMT
#5
I haven't done brutal yet but a small ground force + taldarim void rays do really well here. The taldalrim void rays are just a churning death machine once you get enough of them.
lpunatic
Profile Joined October 2011
235 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-11 05:36:07
November 11 2015 05:32 GMT
#6
dark archons are fun vs protoss. Mind controlled units don't contribute to supply cap. I made some zealots to spend down my minerals, but I really don't think it was necessary.
Nomzter
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden2802 Posts
November 11 2015 09:46 GMT
#7
Yeah holy shit, I was having trouble with this mision yesterday but with automatic assimilators at one of the extra bases( I didnt bother getting a nexus), the super chrono boost extra spell and the laser beam nuke, stargates building Tal'darim void rays and 1 gateway for dark archons was all that was needed to make this mission super easy
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
November 11 2015 09:47 GMT
#8
On November 11 2015 13:47 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2015 13:36 Plexa wrote:
Even Tal'darim kind are super OP here

you think so? they dont look like they work on brutal

They can kill everything super fast but god damn it if they run into probes.
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ScienceRob
Profile Joined April 2010
United States382 Posts
November 11 2015 10:13 GMT
#9
I spent a few tries with tal'darim voids and struggled on Brutal. Switched to Nal-whatever and it went super easy.
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DrSeRRoD
Profile Joined October 2010
United States490 Posts
November 12 2015 03:21 GMT
#10
Are you guys just massing void rays for this? I'm having a hell of a time trying with stalker/reaver like I saw someone do on a video. Having to defend two sides of your base plus second base plus the advance is killing me. I got to the very end where they start talking, down to like 4 units, and then a damn behemoth gets spawned. Is that always triggered or do I just need to push faster? I need an easier way, I just have this one and then I can move on to the last two. I even skipped it and did the Templar ones instead and went back. I'm just bad, but have managed to squeak by so far, but so many things to look out for is crazy annoying.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
November 12 2015 03:39 GMT
#11
Well I massed the Tal'Darim kind with the obvious support units (zealots/stalkers or whatever version you elect to include in the army) and didn't find the level very difficult. I think the trick is to not actually care too much about Alarak getting pushed back, you don't need to be pushing him forward the whole time. You can always regain lost ground by coming back with your army and crushing stuff. The only thing I'll add is that the expansion in the middle is really useful to take and that you shouldn't slack on air upgrades if your main damage is going to be voids.
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DrSeRRoD
Profile Joined October 2010
United States490 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-12 15:12:06
November 12 2015 13:14 GMT
#12
I found mass stalker was real tough for a player with my skill (or lack of it) since I tend to blink them all, only the first 1/3rd is ever hitting stuff, especially when trying to get around his bubble, and then just getting destroyed by the constant attacks. I will try going far more air units as I didn't make any and I think it hurt me quite a bit. The reavers were little more than useless for me since they were so far behind the army, always died if I blink away, etc. That's what I get for watching a good player and trying to replicate it. On to Void Rays then!

E: nope, got crushed again. I was able to go on and beat The Host (took me over an hour of being cautious and initiating fights with Spear abilities, etc.) but this mission is killing me. I gave Salvation a shot and that ended badly. Guess I should just play a bit more and get better at macro and decision making for these two missions.
BeyondCtrL
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden642 Posts
November 12 2015 16:37 GMT
#13
When I saw that the TD VR got a bounce attack I tried massing them. Nope. Make Dark Archons and you can take all the value non-hybrid units. I had like 5-6 collosus, 6 carriers, tons of archons, and none of them went towards supply
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
November 12 2015 17:05 GMT
#14
On November 12 2015 22:14 DrSeRRoD wrote:
I found mass stalker was real tough for a player with my skill (or lack of it) since I tend to blink them all, only the first 1/3rd is ever hitting stuff, especially when trying to get around his bubble, and then just getting destroyed by the constant attacks. I will try going far more air units as I didn't make any and I think it hurt me quite a bit. The reavers were little more than useless for me since they were so far behind the army, always died if I blink away, etc. That's what I get for watching a good player and trying to replicate it. On to Void Rays then!

E: nope, got crushed again. I was able to go on and beat The Host (took me over an hour of being cautious and initiating fights with Spear abilities, etc.) but this mission is killing me. I gave Salvation a shot and that ended badly. Guess I should just play a bit more and get better at macro and decision making for these two missions.

My setup>
Void Rays + storm = MEGA OP This applies to every mission except those where you need to move fast because templars don't move fast

Basically what does air units naturally do? Clump. What does storm do? Regen shields! (I mean your own storm )

I added few immortals too because later if the only thing on the ground is a group of templars they won't live long enough.

Also I am not exactly sure about my Spear of Adun setup, what is unlocked in the mission? If the 5th column is available I had the basic(0 solarites price) skill.

The big disadvantage: this creates a really bad habit for multiplayer

Also, because this is not mineral heavy - build tons of cannons and zealots as the shield for templars.

Oh, and don't forget to use offensive skills of you ship
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ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
November 12 2015 17:15 GMT
#15
On November 12 2015 22:14 DrSeRRoD wrote:
I found mass stalker was real tough for a player with my skill (or lack of it) since I tend to blink them all, only the first 1/3rd is ever hitting stuff, especially when trying to get around his bubble, and then just getting destroyed by the constant attacks. I will try going far more air units as I didn't make any and I think it hurt me quite a bit. The reavers were little more than useless for me since they were so far behind the army, always died if I blink away, etc. That's what I get for watching a good player and trying to replicate it. On to Void Rays then!

E: nope, got crushed again. I was able to go on and beat The Host (took me over an hour of being cautious and initiating fights with Spear abilities, etc.) but this mission is killing me. I gave Salvation a shot and that ended badly. Guess I should just play a bit more and get better at macro and decision making for these two missions.

It's easy (at least with good blink micro) with Stalker if you alternate using the Spear of Adun's three lasers and barrier (it lets you offensively blink forward and barely lose anything) to clear their layers of defense. Splash in ~15 DTs too and if you snipe Oracles you can hold the position while using a big Stalker ball to kill the bonus objectives. Also to kill the 3 Nexuses easily you can just use barrier, blink in and snipe the Nexus, then blink out. To be honest some of the methods other people are describing sound easier, though Stalkers are the most fun to use .
DrSeRRoD
Profile Joined October 2010
United States490 Posts
November 12 2015 22:12 GMT
#16
It's weird, my solarite is bugged by using the archives where I don't get as much as I should have on most missions, so I can't even get that laser. I only get like 35 solarite for this mission when I should have far more. It's real annoying. I tried reloading the point where I have 130ish army supply and am right at the last spot, but I just get crushed with tempests, carriers, hybrids, etc. After trying and restarting so many times, I think I'm going to give up for now. I'm too damn old to get so stressed over this mission and Salvation so I've moved on to trying the mastery achievements and maybe some fun co-op games. This is all skipping the bonus objectives too, just straight for the push and 2nd base, but I still get wrecked. Not sure why this one seems so much harder than the others. Ah well, maybe sometime in the future.
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
November 12 2015 22:29 GMT
#17
On November 13 2015 07:12 DrSeRRoD wrote:
It's weird, my solarite is bugged by using the archives where I don't get as much as I should have on most missions, so I can't even get that laser. I only get like 35 solarite for this mission when I should have far more. It's real annoying. I tried reloading the point where I have 130ish army supply and am right at the last spot, but I just get crushed with tempests, carriers, hybrids, etc. After trying and restarting so many times, I think I'm going to give up for now. I'm too damn old to get so stressed over this mission and Salvation so I've moved on to trying the mastery achievements and maybe some fun co-op games. This is all skipping the bonus objectives too, just straight for the push and 2nd base, but I still get wrecked. Not sure why this one seems so much harder than the others. Ah well, maybe sometime in the future.

Yea that bug seems to have happened to everyone, you can beat them all on casual in just over an hour while watching some LotV streams at the same time ^^.
annedeman
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands350 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-12 22:53:22
November 12 2015 22:49 GMT
#18
Dark Archons are the absolute shit in this mission, gaining control of multiple capital ships for each archon is so sick, any mission where you repeatedly fight expensive units in small numbers, Dark Archons were so good that i never actually got remotely close to losing(except for the last mission of the regular campaign), usually going up to an effective 300 supply or something, eventually just taking over whole groups of units as they cost no supply anyway
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Gnosis
Profile Joined December 2008
Scotland912 Posts
November 12 2015 23:16 GMT
#19
On November 13 2015 07:12 DrSeRRoD wrote:
It's weird, my solarite is bugged by using the archives where I don't get as much as I should have on most missions, so I can't even get that laser. I only get like 35 solarite for this mission when I should have far more. It's real annoying. I tried reloading the point where I have 130ish army supply and am right at the last spot, but I just get crushed with tempests, carriers, hybrids, etc. After trying and restarting so many times, I think I'm going to give up for now. I'm too damn old to get so stressed over this mission and Salvation so I've moved on to trying the mastery achievements and maybe some fun co-op games. This is all skipping the bonus objectives too, just straight for the push and 2nd base, but I still get wrecked. Not sure why this one seems so much harder than the others. Ah well, maybe sometime in the future.


What worked for me: Void Rays (normal kind), and only pushing when I had a mass of them (saving Alarac whenever he whined, of course). Took the second base, massed more Void Rays, and then roflstomped to the end of the map. I'm struggling to find a reason to build anything other than Void Rays once you get access to them...
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BlackCompany
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany8388 Posts
November 13 2015 00:25 GMT
#20
I struggeled at the beginning but here is what i did: I didnt bother pushing alarak up a lot, i rushed down the taldarim base next to where he starts and put down a nexus /w gas after like 5 mins. Then went colossi stalker and stomped everything. I used call down fenix and the laser beams to clear some waves when i sent my stalkers hunting for the optional tasks.
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