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I first off would like to commend and mention how much David Kim has stepped up to the plate in every aspect. It's made a huge difference on my outlook of LotV.
I, Simply put, want ladder transparency. I can't be the only one so I've created this poll please cast your vote:
Poll: Ladder Transparency?I want to know my MMR standing, League standing, and when I'm playing a possible promotion game. (59) 48% I just want to know my MMR standing and League position (51) 41% It's ok as it is just knowing My League Standing (7) 6% Your beating this to death for no reason ( P.S. Lichter and waxangel are awesome) (4) 3% I don't want leagues I play unranked... (2) 2% 123 total votes Your vote: Ladder Transparency? (Vote): I want to know my MMR standing, League standing, and when I'm playing a possible promotion game.
(Vote): I just want to know my MMR standing and League position
(Vote): It's ok as it is just knowing My League Standing
(Vote): I don't want leagues I play unranked...
(Vote): Your beating this to death for no reason ( P.S. Lichter and waxangel are awesome)
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Bisutopia19305 Posts
Lichter and waxangel are awesome. I had to vote for it cause they are. Not here's the real question:
Poll: Two-Face has Lichter and WaxAngel each in a cage over a fatal pit.Save Esports (27) 77% Save Lichter (4) 11% Save WaxAngel (4) 11% 35 total votes Your vote: Two-Face has Lichter and WaxAngel each in a cage over a fatal pit. (Vote): Save Lichter
(Vote): Save WaxAngel
(Vote): Save Esports
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MMR should be transparent but knowing when you will be promoted should be hidden, I feel that it will just cause anger, if you lose on that match or it will cause a bit of win trading (people saying it's my promo match free win) even more so when ranked/unranked can play vs each other.
edit - I went for saving esports I'm assuming that means I save both?
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On July 15 2015 22:50 BisuDagger wrote:Lichter and waxangel are awesome. I had to vote for it cause they are. Not here's the real question: Poll: Two-Face has Lichter and WaxAngel each in a cage over a fatal pit.Save Esports (27) 77% Save Lichter (4) 11% Save WaxAngel (4) 11% 35 total votes Your vote: Two-Face has Lichter and WaxAngel each in a cage over a fatal pit. (Vote): Save Lichter
(Vote): Save WaxAngel
(Vote): Save Esports
I vote save esports but only after I steal Wax's dapper white suit he wore at DH
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On July 15 2015 22:52 Ovid wrote:
MMR should be transparent but knowing when you will be promoted should be hidden, I feel that it will just cause anger, if you lose on that match or it will cause a bit of win trading (people saying it's my promo match free win) even more so when ranked/unranked can play vs each other.
edit - I went for saving esports I'm assuming that means I save both?
I agree with this guy. People will just cheese their promotion games. Can't you be promoted on a loss anyways in SC2?
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MMR should be transparent but knowing when you will be promoted should be hidden, I feel that it will just cause anger, if you lose on that match or it will cause a bit of win trading (people saying it's my promo match free win) even more so when ranked/unranked can play vs each other.
edit - I went for saving esports I'm assuming that means I save both?
You can argue this problem already exists though... personally I think unranked and ranked should be seperate it only hurts the one playing ranked....
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I dont get why anyone would play unranked. If you cant handle a number going up and down, you are suited to play sc2 anyways.
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On July 15 2015 23:07 Little-Chimp wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2015 22:52 Ovid wrote:
MMR should be transparent but knowing when you will be promoted should be hidden, I feel that it will just cause anger, if you lose on that match or it will cause a bit of win trading (people saying it's my promo match free win) even more so when ranked/unranked can play vs each other.
edit - I went for saving esports I'm assuming that means I save both? I agree with this guy. People will just cheese their promotion games. Can't you be promoted on a loss anyways in SC2?
yes, because not only the MMR is needed for your promotion, but only a level of certainty. if the ladder is not certain enough, you wont get promoted.
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There needs to be a global rank, ideally displayed as a percentile.
That can be MMR or another skill rating. But the only reason to know MMR or any skill rating is to know the percentile.
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On July 15 2015 23:12 graNite wrote:
I dont get why anyone would play unranked. If you cant handle a number going up and down, you are suited to play sc2 anyways.
offracing
and I don't like it when Im placed below my league because I'm leaving all ZvZs
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Czech Republic12129 Posts
On July 15 2015 23:12 graNite wrote:
I dont get why anyone would play unranked. If you cant handle a number going up and down, you are suited to play sc2 anyways.
This is exactly the attitude which lowers the player base. You are not good, you have fear of playing on ladder so get out of my game. Excellent!
You can play unranked for many reasons - bad map pool so you want to leave certain MU on certain maps(e.g. Catallena PvT). The meta/balance is bad for certain MU so you leave it when you play it(mass sworm host turtle PvZ back then, mass turtle raven style...). Or the MU is too often so you do not want to play it every other game. Or you cannot handle the fact that if you lose your stats are bad. Whatever the reason is there are players who enjoy this and it actually keeps them in the game so you don't wait 30 minutes on next opponent.
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On July 15 2015 22:50 BisuDagger wrote:Lichter and waxangel are awesome. I had to vote for it cause they are. Not here's the real question: Poll: Two-Face has Lichter and WaxAngel each in a cage over a fatal pit.Save Esports (27) 77% Save Lichter (4) 11% Save WaxAngel (4) 11% 35 total votes Your vote: Two-Face has Lichter and WaxAngel each in a cage over a fatal pit. (Vote): Save Lichter
(Vote): Save WaxAngel
(Vote): Save Esports
If it's confirmed that Lichter is noob, then isn't Wax the clear pick?
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On July 15 2015 23:12 graNite wrote:
I dont get why anyone would play unranked. If you cant handle a number going up and down, you are suited to play sc2 anyways.
I have never cared about which league I am and I want to be invisible anywhere. Similiar in Diablo3, I noticed everyone can look your gear (I dont have a problem with it DURING public games, but they can do even after you leaved the game because it is saved on your friendlist automatically), I stopped to play public games too.
edit: my biggest fear is always that you know too much about me. Doesnt matter if you looked my history in sc2 intensively (build order, game lenght, playwise) or in D3 about my gear & paragonlvl and heroes. I never looked what others have. I wish Blizzard put a option that nobody can look other people, even facebook offers this option!
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On July 16 2015 03:26 Dingodile wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2015 23:12 graNite wrote:
I dont get why anyone would play unranked. If you cant handle a number going up and down, you are suited to play sc2 anyways. I have never cared about which league I am and I want to be invisible anywhere. Similiar in Diablo3, I noticed everyone can look your gear (I dont have a problem with it DURING public games, but they can do even after you leaved the game because it is saved on your friendlist automatically), I stopped to play public games too.
Unranked also has offracing applications. I don't wanna play games on an offrace and then be treated to baby's first ladder when I go back to my mainrace.
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here is an interesting thought as well. It might even make sense to make it a thread of its own but I don't like to pollute so here it is.
I think it would be a good idea to have like a CODE S rank above GM that once you get into the top 1-2 spot in GM can enter into CODE S where it has its own dedicated server that every server links too. So say if you get top 1-2 spot into GM in korea and someone get 1-2 spot in AM they get catapulted to code S server where there is only 100 spots open to hash it out to be the top of the top crew out of all the servers... Which would also increase the skill level globally ...
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On July 17 2015 06:52 Pirfiktshon wrote:
here is an interesting thought as well. It might even make sense to make it a thread of its own but I don't like to pollute so here it is.
I think it would be a good idea to have like a CODE S rank above GM that once you get into the top 1-2 spot in GM can enter into CODE S where it has its own dedicated server that every server links too. So say if you get top 1-2 spot into GM in korea and someone get 1-2 spot in AM they get catapulted to code S server where there is only 100 spots open to hash it out to be the top of the top crew out of all the servers... Which would also increase the skill level globally ...
It wouldn't really work out because lag.
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United States12240 Posts
On July 15 2015 23:13 graNite wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2015 23:07 Little-Chimp wrote:On July 15 2015 22:52 Ovid wrote:
MMR should be transparent but knowing when you will be promoted should be hidden, I feel that it will just cause anger, if you lose on that match or it will cause a bit of win trading (people saying it's my promo match free win) even more so when ranked/unranked can play vs each other.
edit - I went for saving esports I'm assuming that means I save both? I agree with this guy. People will just cheese their promotion games. Can't you be promoted on a loss anyways in SC2? yes, because not only the MMR is needed for your promotion, but only a level of certainty. if the ladder is not certain enough, you wont get promoted.
Not true anymore re: certainty. You cross the border by even one rating point, you get promoted. And you've never been able to get promoted after a loss (it only seemed that way in the first few months after release because of server latency).
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MMR should have been public from the beginning anyways. There's no reason to hide it from the players, as leagues are way too large to be a true indication of one's skill.
@poster above : are you sure? I remember having been promoted last season after a loss
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It wouldn't really work out because lag.
You would think so but i thought of this. If you only have 100 people on that server the lag would be and should be signficantly reduced and the location would have to be the most centralized that they have. Not saying this is perfect idea as far as logistics but perfect in the thought that it would be ideal 
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On July 17 2015 07:52 Pirfiktshon wrote:You would think so but i thought of this. If you only have 100 people on that server the lag would be and should be signficantly reduced and the location would have to be the most centralized that they have. Not saying this is perfect idea as far as logistics but perfect in the thought that it would be ideal
You're wrong on the bolded part, that's not how it works.  In wc3 you could host customgames, and it was always a hassle to find optimal hosts for high level competition, and that's technically 2 users on 1 server. Someone will get the short end of the stick.
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On July 17 2015 07:28 OtherWorld wrote:
MMR should have been public from the beginning anyways. There's no reason to hide it from the players, as leagues are way too large to be a true indication of one's skill.
@poster above : are you sure? I remember having been promoted last season after a loss
The reason why MMR is hidden is to hide the fact that the current ladder system is a charade, a joke.
If MMR was shown (and I agree it should be), then people would ask:
- My MMR is 2100 at the end of last season, and now that the new season has started, it still 2100, so what's the point of even having seasons given that nothing has changed?
- My points and league is lower than my friend, but my MMR is higher, so am I better than him or not?
- If I'm better than my friend because my MMR is higher, then why is my points and league lower?
It would be dangerous for Blizzard if people started asking such dangerous questions.
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The thing that people REALLY want: separate MMR for each race.
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Anyway to view LotV ladder outside the game yet?
Edit: Save lichter from Kespa Jail first before we can create meaningful esports.
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With unranked, ladder should show mmr
in regards to few posts above:
can't blizzard pay/buy sc2chart and implement it in sc2 to show full details of the player? tendencies, stats, etc.
this would great little feature than just win/loss ratio...actually, well, there isn't even win/loss ratio.
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To be honest, thinking about it, I just wanna know my league standing. I would play the game to my best every time, why would wanna know anything besides my current league. In all fairness, even the exact position in your league doesn't matter.
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just give us the damn PGT / ICCUP style ladder like in broodwar, or for god sakes even bring back the old battle.net ladder system if they wanted to, this is just simply utterly terrible. Back in the old battle.net ladder system it was everyone in one big ass division on every server, sorry for the rant but I am so tired of this terrible ladder system. Back in broodwar if a player was A- Level, he hit A-. It wasn't a given said amount of A- players at any given point. (In reference to GM)
I refuse to say that GM is to SC2 as Olympic is to BW, reaching Olympic rank in BW is an entire different league / category in its own.
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