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KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-08 22:05:18
April 08 2015 22:00 GMT
#261
On April 09 2015 06:49 blade55555 wrote:
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On April 09 2015 06:43 DinoMight wrote:
On April 09 2015 06:42 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
On April 09 2015 06:31 DinoMight wrote:
On April 09 2015 06:26 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Dunno, hope it's soon. Cyclone is out of control haha

You basically have to blindly open Phoenix in PvT right now, which deal with early game Cyclone shenanigans, but if you are looking to try to take more than 3 bases, it gets crazy tough, especially when they start adding in the mass widow mine. Throw in some hellion runbys and, welp. Just not sure what to do. I guess Storm but idk, I feel like that's pretty weak vs Cyclone still.

Cyclones also own cannons pretty hard, which is unfortunate.


Maybe try Blink + obs? Gives you a bit of map control and lets you micro against Cyclones.

If they go bio you can add disruptors and if they mech you can leave the game and queue up as Zerg.


The *only* way to stop Cylones is lifting them with Phoenix and killing their lock on. There is no microing vs them, they are too fast and the range is way too long.


Not even if you Blink away the unit they're locked onto and move the others forward etc? Are they just too strong?

Yeah their to strong. 200 health and sick damage. Pretty crazy.

And kind of fast.

edit: Well, apparently if you can get a Pylon in Terran's base you can beat Cyclones! Source: Whitera's stream lmao
www.twitch.tv/krazy Best Stream Quality NA @KClarkSC2
Umpteen
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1570 Posts
April 08 2015 23:21 GMT
#262
On April 09 2015 01:43 vesicular wrote:
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On April 08 2015 10:19 Umpteen wrote:
The level of casual contempt on show is beginning to sicken me.

How about this: if you haven't personally used the editor to create a set of great new units that are nicely balanced and fun, you don't get to insult those who are trying.


They're expecting us to part with money to play the game, and want us to watch events featuring it. Of course we get to complain if it's not what we want.

First, calling hardworking people stupid lazy hacks is not complaining, it's just insulting and depressing. The only thing I don't enjoy about lotv - the only thing I've ever not enjoyed about StarCraft 2 - is how down the community is. It's like half of us just discovered how cool it is to be cynical.

Secondly, instantly complaining when things aren't immediately to your liking is something I'm trying to teach my 8 year old daughter to quit.
The existence of a food chain is inescapable if we evolved unsupervised, and inexcusable otherwise.
cheekymonkey
Profile Joined January 2014
France1387 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-09 07:07:11
April 09 2015 07:06 GMT
#263
how do you have the gas to go mass cyclone mass mine? I saw demuslim go mass cyclone mass hellion and his gas & mineral was very low. Doesn't seem to me that there would be enough gas to support mass mines & cyclones only.
DinoMight
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States3725 Posts
April 09 2015 18:38 GMT
#264
On April 09 2015 16:06 cheekymonkey wrote:
how do you have the gas to go mass cyclone mass mine? I saw demuslim go mass cyclone mass hellion and his gas & mineral was very low. Doesn't seem to me that there would be enough gas to support mass mines & cyclones only.


Open Cyclones, get map presence, take bases everywhere, add mines.
"Wtf I come back and find myself in camp DinoMight all of a sudden, feels weird man." -Wombat_NI
DinoMight
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States3725 Posts
April 09 2015 18:38 GMT
#265
Just curious.. with the Colossus/Immortal nerfs how does Protoss kill a PF?

Can you just mass PF everywhere?
"Wtf I come back and find myself in camp DinoMight all of a sudden, feels weird man." -Wombat_NI
Acid1
Profile Joined April 2015
1 Post
April 09 2015 20:10 GMT
#266
If some1 has beta key for LotV i would be greatfull. TNx

User was banned for this post.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
April 09 2015 21:53 GMT
#267
The TvZ changes summed up:
FUCK YOU BIO

The solution? Make cyclones vs everything!
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
April 10 2015 20:33 GMT
#268
@zeromus&co, will you also test zerg larva counts in the new economy?
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-10 20:37:06
April 10 2015 20:36 GMT
#269
On April 11 2015 05:33 Grumbels wrote:
@zeromus&co, will you also test zerg larva counts in the new economy?


As in, larva counts vs how economy and tech grows? Not yet but we plan on doing it eventually. We're pretty busy with another huge project for now.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
April 10 2015 21:07 GMT
#270
On April 11 2015 05:36 Teoita wrote:
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On April 11 2015 05:33 Grumbels wrote:
@zeromus&co, will you also test zerg larva counts in the new economy?


As in, larva counts vs how economy and tech grows? Not yet but we plan on doing it eventually. We're pretty busy with another huge project for now.

Cuz more morphs, more hatches, less minerals = more larva, so I thought a statistic of "spare larva" for hots vs lotv would be nice.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
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