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Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7032 Posts
March 18 2015 21:16 GMT
#361
They didn't mention units warping in taking longer. I hope they just didn't say it for PR reasons and not because they reverted the change.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
misterxy1994
Profile Joined July 2013
Germany53 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-18 21:22:06
March 18 2015 21:18 GMT
#362
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purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3303 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-18 21:25:26
March 18 2015 21:19 GMT
#363
On March 19 2015 06:01 Rollora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2015 02:38 Hider wrote:
In order to create more opportunities for Terran Mech, and to increase the impact of micro, the Immortal’s ‘Hardened Shield’ ability has been removed and replaced with ‘Barrier’, an activated ability which grants the Immortal a limited hit-point shield.


I still hate Blizzards definition of "micro". Activating abilities is not a fun form of micro and I wish they had increased the mobility of the unit intested so you could pull back targetted Immortals during engagements.

True that.
Thats what I think
Activating abilities doesn't feel like micro.
I always hate when some casters during a vP say "wow that micro" and I just look closer to the video, interestingly asking out loud "where?"

I hate that they focus so much around abilities anyways. It always feels so frustrating to play vs toss, since you never lose to an army, but to abilities.


I wish they would just remove concussive shell. Silly passive ability.

On March 19 2015 05:57 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2015 05:51 TT1 wrote:
On March 19 2015 05:45 Ammanas wrote:
On March 19 2015 05:44 TT1 wrote:
why are they adding wards to the game? just make stasis a direct spell

I think they want to allow the enemy to counteract the spell by sniping the 'traps'.


thats too war3'ish imo, if having it as direct spell is too op they can tweak the ability instead (reduce the time or the amount of units that can be stasised etc).

I don't quite understand your take on it tbh. Spider mines in BW had the same idea in mind, counterable aoe dmg.
I think these wards aren't counterable without detection though


Blizzard just wants it to be different from BW for the sake of being different =\ Whether or not it is a better design decision is not justified (and often later shown to be not). I am not asking for a BW clone; I just prefer a potentially better game over one that is the way it is because of stubborness and pride.
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TiberiusAk
Profile Joined August 2011
United States122 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-18 21:26:06
March 18 2015 21:25 GMT
#364
On March 19 2015 05:57 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2015 05:51 TT1 wrote:
On March 19 2015 05:45 Ammanas wrote:
On March 19 2015 05:44 TT1 wrote:
why are they adding wards to the game? just make stasis a direct spell

I think they want to allow the enemy to counteract the spell by sniping the 'traps'.


thats too war3'ish imo, if having it as direct spell is too op they can tweak the ability instead (reduce the time or the amount of units that can be stasised etc).

I don't quite understand your take on it tbh. Spider mines in BW had the same idea in mind, counterable aoe dmg.
I think these wards aren't counterable without detection though

Aren't they counterable in the same way you counter spider/window mines w/o detection, by sending an expendable unit ahead to set it off?

edit: spelling.
"I like the new weapon, it's solid removal with a really nice deathrattle in a mech deck. The murloc is a little confusing though, not sure why they thought shamans needed a murloc."
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
March 18 2015 21:39 GMT
#365
On March 19 2015 06:25 TiberiusAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2015 05:57 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On March 19 2015 05:51 TT1 wrote:
On March 19 2015 05:45 Ammanas wrote:
On March 19 2015 05:44 TT1 wrote:
why are they adding wards to the game? just make stasis a direct spell

I think they want to allow the enemy to counteract the spell by sniping the 'traps'.


thats too war3'ish imo, if having it as direct spell is too op they can tweak the ability instead (reduce the time or the amount of units that can be stasised etc).

I don't quite understand your take on it tbh. Spider mines in BW had the same idea in mind, counterable aoe dmg.
I think these wards aren't counterable without detection though

Aren't they counterable in the same way you counter spider/window mines w/o detection, by sending an expendable unit ahead to set it off?

edit: spelling.

Oh yeah ofc. I just meant you cannot amove into them and destroy them before they activate that way (i think)
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Rollora
Profile Joined February 2012
2450 Posts
March 18 2015 21:40 GMT
#366
On March 19 2015 06:05 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2015 06:01 Rollora wrote:
On March 19 2015 02:38 Hider wrote:
In order to create more opportunities for Terran Mech, and to increase the impact of micro, the Immortal’s ‘Hardened Shield’ ability has been removed and replaced with ‘Barrier’, an activated ability which grants the Immortal a limited hit-point shield.


I still hate Blizzards definition of "micro". Activating abilities is not a fun form of micro and I wish they had increased the mobility of the unit intested so you could pull back targetted Immortals during engagements.

True that.
Thats what I think
Activating abilities doesn't feel like micro.
I always hate when some casters during a vP say "wow that micro" and I just look closer to the video, interestingly asking out loud "where?"

I hate that they focus so much around abilities anyways. It always feels so frustrating to play vs toss, since you never lose to an army, but to abilities.

You know, micro isn't just doing a whole bunch of little things at the same time, micro also includes doing one thing with extreme precision, i.e. placing force fields.

While that is true, it is still not the same sort of "action".
I am jost annoyed by the same word for two completely different actions.
Of course if you split a game in just 2 things (micro, macro) then both things (forcefields and army management, stutterstepping or whatever) are micro.
RaFox17
Profile Joined May 2013
Finland4581 Posts
March 18 2015 21:41 GMT
#367
I feel generally quite positive about these changes but in the name of everything good in this world don´t give another anti micro spell to protoss/SC2!!!!
Rollora
Profile Joined February 2012
2450 Posts
March 18 2015 21:42 GMT
#368
On March 19 2015 06:19 purakushi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2015 06:01 Rollora wrote:
On March 19 2015 02:38 Hider wrote:
In order to create more opportunities for Terran Mech, and to increase the impact of micro, the Immortal’s ‘Hardened Shield’ ability has been removed and replaced with ‘Barrier’, an activated ability which grants the Immortal a limited hit-point shield.


I still hate Blizzards definition of "micro". Activating abilities is not a fun form of micro and I wish they had increased the mobility of the unit intested so you could pull back targetted Immortals during engagements.

True that.
Thats what I think
Activating abilities doesn't feel like micro.
I always hate when some casters during a vP say "wow that micro" and I just look closer to the video, interestingly asking out loud "where?"

I hate that they focus so much around abilities anyways. It always feels so frustrating to play vs toss, since you never lose to an army, but to abilities.


I wish they would just remove concussive shell. Silly passive ability.

CS is the only reason a terran sometimes can catch units, since every other race has more mobile ground units
mau5mat
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Northern Ireland461 Posts
March 18 2015 21:43 GMT
#369
Maybe introduce the Spectre?

If Ghost is a good answer for late game TvP, maybe Spectre could fill a specialized role in TvZ lategame, or TvT?

Unsure exactly what though
DeadByDawn
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom476 Posts
March 18 2015 21:46 GMT
#370
On March 19 2015 06:42 Rollora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2015 06:19 purakushi wrote:
On March 19 2015 06:01 Rollora wrote:
On March 19 2015 02:38 Hider wrote:
In order to create more opportunities for Terran Mech, and to increase the impact of micro, the Immortal’s ‘Hardened Shield’ ability has been removed and replaced with ‘Barrier’, an activated ability which grants the Immortal a limited hit-point shield.


I still hate Blizzards definition of "micro". Activating abilities is not a fun form of micro and I wish they had increased the mobility of the unit intested so you could pull back targetted Immortals during engagements.

True that.
Thats what I think
Activating abilities doesn't feel like micro.
I always hate when some casters during a vP say "wow that micro" and I just look closer to the video, interestingly asking out loud "where?"

I hate that they focus so much around abilities anyways. It always feels so frustrating to play vs toss, since you never lose to an army, but to abilities.


I wish they would just remove concussive shell. Silly passive ability.

CS is the only reason a terran sometimes can catch units, since every other race has more mobile ground units

In fact they should make it so that concussed units that can blink or teleport cannot do so whilst concussed. It would help with holding pre-stim blink bullsh*t.
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7032 Posts
March 18 2015 21:49 GMT
#371
On March 19 2015 06:16 Grumbels wrote:
They didn't mention units warping in taking longer. I hope they just didn't say it for PR reasons and not because they reverted the change.

Also no mention of raven / colossus nerf, so that's evidence for blizz not mentioning nerfs for pr purposes.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
Rollora
Profile Joined February 2012
2450 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-18 21:53:31
March 18 2015 21:51 GMT
#372
On March 19 2015 06:46 DeadByDawn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2015 06:42 Rollora wrote:
On March 19 2015 06:19 purakushi wrote:
On March 19 2015 06:01 Rollora wrote:
On March 19 2015 02:38 Hider wrote:
In order to create more opportunities for Terran Mech, and to increase the impact of micro, the Immortal’s ‘Hardened Shield’ ability has been removed and replaced with ‘Barrier’, an activated ability which grants the Immortal a limited hit-point shield.


I still hate Blizzards definition of "micro". Activating abilities is not a fun form of micro and I wish they had increased the mobility of the unit intested so you could pull back targetted Immortals during engagements.

True that.
Thats what I think
Activating abilities doesn't feel like micro.
I always hate when some casters during a vP say "wow that micro" and I just look closer to the video, interestingly asking out loud "where?"

I hate that they focus so much around abilities anyways. It always feels so frustrating to play vs toss, since you never lose to an army, but to abilities.


I wish they would just remove concussive shell. Silly passive ability.

CS is the only reason a terran sometimes can catch units, since every other race has more mobile ground units

In fact they should make it so that concussed units that can blink or teleport cannot do so whilst concussed. It would help with holding pre-stim blink bullsh*t.

that sounds great. Almost like fungal but without the (extra) damage.
I hate that Blink just laughs at CS
On March 19 2015 06:49 Grumbels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2015 06:16 Grumbels wrote:
They didn't mention units warping in taking longer. I hope they just didn't say it for PR reasons and not because they reverted the change.

Also no mention of raven / colossus nerf, so that's evidence for blizz not mentioning nerfs for pr purposes.

the raven needs a nerf? Didn't know that.
Overall I would feel better if the colossus gets patched out since it is the #1 reason for having deathballs
GinDo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
3327 Posts
March 18 2015 21:54 GMT
#373
Terran if it were to get another unit. I would like to see some kind of Mech spellcaster. One that casts traps and static defenses to help protect against flanks.
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Anacreor
Profile Joined February 2013
Netherlands291 Posts
March 18 2015 21:54 GMT
#374
man man man, HYPED!!!! It is my birthday on the launch of the beta, please Blizzard Q_Q make my day! week! my forever! Haha
"Peter the Acretree chops some wood"
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55593 Posts
March 18 2015 21:54 GMT
#375
On March 19 2015 06:54 GinDo wrote:
Terran if it were to get another unit. I would like to see some kind of Mech spellcaster. One that casts traps and static defenses to help protect against flanks.

It's called Raven <.<
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3303 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-18 22:01:51
March 18 2015 21:58 GMT
#376
On March 19 2015 06:42 Rollora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2015 06:19 purakushi wrote:
On March 19 2015 06:01 Rollora wrote:
On March 19 2015 02:38 Hider wrote:
In order to create more opportunities for Terran Mech, and to increase the impact of micro, the Immortal’s ‘Hardened Shield’ ability has been removed and replaced with ‘Barrier’, an activated ability which grants the Immortal a limited hit-point shield.


I still hate Blizzards definition of "micro". Activating abilities is not a fun form of micro and I wish they had increased the mobility of the unit intested so you could pull back targetted Immortals during engagements.

True that.
Thats what I think
Activating abilities doesn't feel like micro.
I always hate when some casters during a vP say "wow that micro" and I just look closer to the video, interestingly asking out loud "where?"

I hate that they focus so much around abilities anyways. It always feels so frustrating to play vs toss, since you never lose to an army, but to abilities.


I wish they would just remove concussive shell. Silly passive ability.

CS is the only reason a terran sometimes can catch units, since every other race has more mobile ground units


CS basically just near-guarantees a kill on any unit. I would be fine if they just made it affect biological units. Basically if a unit is caught, it is dead. There is no excitement there. I would rather Blizzard fine tune the turn rates, damage points, backswing, and range slop so micro battles are not so predictable and units do not feel so liquidy. Design over balance.
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SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
March 18 2015 22:00 GMT
#377
Buff ghosts plz ;(
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mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
March 18 2015 22:02 GMT
#378
THE HYPE IS REAL
Long live the Boss Toss!
GinDo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
3327 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-18 22:05:41
March 18 2015 22:03 GMT
#379
On March 19 2015 06:54 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2015 06:54 GinDo wrote:
Terran if it were to get another unit. I would like to see some kind of Mech spellcaster. One that casts traps and static defenses to help protect against flanks.

It's called Raven <.<


Well the raven sucks at its job unless you mass the crap at them :/

Plus. it doesn't set traps. all it does is deter. For the most part the enemy just slams in and its too late. Terran needs spells that punish blindly charging into a tank line.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55593 Posts
March 18 2015 22:04 GMT
#380
On March 19 2015 07:00 SC2Toastie wrote:
Buff ghosts plz ;(

This should actually happen. Ghosts are such a cool unit, the fact that they are only used as a soft counter to lategame Protoss (and not even a great one at that) and in nuke troll builds sucks .
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