• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 13:23
CET 19:23
KST 03:23
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners10Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting12[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11
Community News
StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!38$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship6[BSL21] RO32 Group Stage4Weekly Cups (Oct 26-Nov 2): Liquid, Clem, Solar win; LAN in Philly2Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win10
StarCraft 2
General
Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon! TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close"
Tourneys
Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions [BSL21] RO32 Group Stage BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ SnOw's ASL S20 Finals Review
Tourneys
[BSL21] RO32 Group A - Saturday 21:00 CET [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Grand Finals [BSL21] RO32 Group B - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta PvZ map balance How to stay on top of macro? Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread Dating: How's your luck?
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Why we need SC3
Hildegard
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Our Last Hope in th…
KrillinFromwales
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1722 users

[Patch 10.19] Samira + Worlds Patch General Discussion - P…

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 All
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
September 22 2020 20:19 GMT
#21
Samira nerf

Samira micropatch nerfs should be live now!

Base HP:
600 > 530

R:
Base Damage from 10/20/30 > 0/10/20 (so 100/200/300 to 0/100/200)
Ratio down from .6 to .5 TAD

Looking to make

LMAO at 100 damage off of ult, deserved but xd
Carrilord has arrived.
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9244 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-22 20:33:23
September 22 2020 20:33 GMT
#22
-70 base hp lol

It's mildly annoying to see all those "Samira OP" clips having her pop off against clumped up teams with no CC or at least misusing their CC.

You're now breathing manually
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-22 22:07:28
September 22 2020 22:07 GMT
#23
So fun Samira Lillia interaction, Lillia's ult is considered a projectile for some reason so Samira's wind wall blocks the activation of Lillia ult for herself and for anyone else inside her wind dome.

Fucking bullshit
Turbovolver
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia2394 Posts
September 23 2020 01:50 GMT
#24
That is very stupid, yes.
The original Bogus fan.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-24 14:53:10
September 24 2020 14:52 GMT
#25
So if I download a replay it should show me what happened in the server right? Like if on my screen I dodged a skillshot that killed me, it should be hitting me in the replay? Asking because the replay shows me flash it and take the damage cc a full flash distance away. (Which is what happened in game as well)
Carrilord has arrived.
DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
September 24 2020 15:00 GMT
#26
Idk, I have felt like the servers are a bit clunky past few weeks (but this is EUW). Stuff like teleporting Azir during EQ combo, Ezreal Q disappearing, Corki R disappearing etc. But then I saw the Azir bug on a stream, so...
Fixed a bug where LeBlanc could lose
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4131 Posts
September 24 2020 20:30 GMT
#27
On September 24 2020 23:52 Slusher wrote:
So if I download a replay it should show me what happened in the server right? Like if on my screen I dodged a skillshot that killed me, it should be hitting me in the replay? Asking because the replay shows me flash it and take the damage cc a full flash distance away. (Which is what happened in game as well)

if its a synchronizing issue then yeah, if its something else from the riot special arsenal - good luck xD
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
September 25 2020 19:28 GMT
#28
Just played Samira/Taric.... I cant remember the last time I had so much fun playing support before. :D
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
September 29 2020 15:47 GMT
#29
https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/news/dev/preseason-2021-mythic-legendary-items-preview/

Spicy.
ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
September 29 2020 17:31 GMT
#30
Wow, those are some interesting items. The shield bow can give up to basically 32 AD and MR? That's pretty crazy. Also Kraken Slayer + Guinsoos seems so nice for on-hit champions.
darkness overpowering
AdsMoFro
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan4761 Posts
September 29 2020 18:12 GMT
#31
I haven't fully unpacked the new items yet (just took a quick look at them).

I quite like DOTA's impactful items and I think Riot is going in a good way in pushing item paths towards a more fluid and nuanced approach (whether they'll achieve this goal is another thing).
Que Sera Sera
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-29 18:59:28
September 29 2020 18:49 GMT
#32
Sunfire and frozen fist being mutually exclusive feels weird. Ludens looks like the new first item for Fizz I would think at first glance. Hextech is a contender but the stacking mana pen sounds juicy.

Other notes
-Jungle item change is an ivern buff
-Horizon focus kaisa meme or dream?
-Lord doms looks insane strong but I’m still thinking in today’s context so maybe it’s fine
-splitting phage buff off of Trinity makes it a lot worse imo
Carrilord has arrived.
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-29 19:30:19
September 29 2020 18:58 GMT
#33
Honestly I wish they'd fix dragons for season 11 instead of overhauling items and leaving Drakes for another year. Unless they've announced they're doing more than one thing and I missed it.

I will say after stumbling on the new jungle items, I think making them consumables will be really really interesting. Hard to gauge what it will change if all items are changing too
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-29 19:54:30
September 29 2020 19:48 GMT
#34
Done a bit of number crunching and think I've had some time to kind of see what they've done with the items here.

First thing that jumps out to me is that they have hard buffed ADC itemization. Nearly all their items are more gold efficient than before (or, more or less provide more stats for the same gold), and atleast from a cursory view, they have the best Mythics both in terms of active effects and in terms of gold efficiency... and that's before considering AD + AS + Crit scale multiplicitavely. Second their mythics feel great to build as first items, and they all provide Crit + AD + AS, meaning that ADC's will come online much much earlier, like old Stormrazor day's without the lategame fall off of having stormrazor instead of less crap lategame items. If they dont change the numbers (which they probably will) the game will be better bot lane wins almost every game like old Ardent Censor meta.

Second thing of note, I think the tank Mythics feel awful as first item purchases... a third of your gold sink will be into MR or Armor that wont help you in a lane matchup. If you build a Mythic first on a tank, you are getting like 60% gold efficiency from your first item. That feels bad. Also, all tank items basically across the board are nerfed in gold efficiency. Frozen Heart, Spirit Visage, Abyssal Mask and Randiun's all see a solid 10% hit in gold efficiency... FoN is only 75% gold efficient as well. Stone plate looks buffed in the late game but is hard nerfed until 4 items.

The fighter mythic's seem pretty nutty. The assassin ones look hella strong in terms of actives, but they also are the lowest gold value mythic's in the game. The AP ones all seem to be fairly middle of the road; they look strong in gold efficacy and active wise, but I think the thing that stands out to be is that it wasn't really all that uncommon for people to build multiple of them, and now that's impossible. Might be a big nerf to mages, which is kinda strange because they already suck. Although, there does seem to be a lot of mana lying around now compared to before, might help things a bit. That being said... Axamuk's and Eclipse give all items 5% MR/Armor pen... which is bonkers given that percent pen stacks multiplicatively. With these mythics + LW item / Void on full build you'll straight have 65 to 80% penetration.

Locket is IMO the best Mythic in the game as presented. A late game locket is giving like 2k gold to the entire team... Shurelyia's looks bad. Moonstone is hard to say, awfully inefficient in terms of gold, but the active seems to be bonkers, so there is that.

The jungle item changes seem like an incredible nerf in most cases. If they don't buff jungler gold or clear speed I think meta will be like Tank Gragas + Reksai + J4 + Elise + Nunu.... Losing the Warrior / Runic Echoes powerspike will be awful. Jungler's will flat out have like 1.5k less gold worth of effective stats at 10 minutes. Not to mention, junglers are flat losing either 35 damage on hit or the talisman burn, as new jungle item burn are based on Bonus AD/HP/AP. I imagine the jungle will have a swath of monster rebalancing otherwise Jungler's will be level 4 while solo lanes hit level 6 unless they get fed.

OP Alert; Titanic Hydra with 3k life is like 150% gold efficient. Wit's end is 115% to 165% gold efficient. Not considering the burn or resists on Demonic Embrace, it's 94% efficient... with the resists its 124% gold efficient. Serylda's Grudge is just 20% more gold efficient than LDR or Mortal Reminder and that slow will be complete aids for diver's. Mikael's and the Staff of flowing water seem busted.. enchanter items are normally quite gold efficient, but usually a lot of that is usually mana regen, and these two are in the 130% range if you ignore mana regen. Muramana is even more absurd than before, coming in at 140% gold efficient if you don't count the mana, and over 190% if you do.

UP Alert; Seraphs loses it's shield and a ton of scaling AP, although i guess there is more mana in the pool now than before. Horizon's focus seems like garbage; what good does a 15% damage buff do when you have to hit once with a 850 range ability to proc it then have no ranged abilities to follow up with; maybe Kaisa / Nidalee only item? Sterak's and Black Cleaver are both below 75% efficient... not sure the missing health damage or the new heal is really worth it. Particularly Sterak's, as before it was quite gold efficient on the people that wanted it. Nearly all the tank items, imo.

That being said, i would be shocked if there weren't substantial changes prior to and after patch 10.20 / 11.00.

Final note; mythic passives seem to have a huge variance in gold value. Some of them are quite gold effieicnt on their own, and then have like 50 to 100 gold mythic passives, and then some are a little weaker and then have like 300 to 400 gold mythic passives. I think in a number of cases it might be a mistake to buy the mythic first.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-29 20:31:12
September 29 2020 20:23 GMT
#35
Horizon focus also procs off immobilization if it’s bad it’s because it only provides damage, the same way dcap and void are currently often not the best option. Stuff like farming Morgana or Velcoz. Xerath can proc it both ways like a snipe q into ult. To be honest I think the item is *probably bad, but it’s more because of it lacking utility and because it competes with dcap void which give pure damage always and in aoe.


I’m really bad at this sort of thing though because I keep thinking about the items existing with current items not vs all the other new items.
Carrilord has arrived.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
September 29 2020 20:57 GMT
#36
Taking a queue from MtG, I'd say literally everyone is bad at it. The best of the best that do this with sets of 140 to 350 cards every 3 months and have fucked it up every time for decades.

That being said, LoL players are bad at itemization with items that have been around for more or less a decade, i think if you get a good read on the new itemset you might find yourself climbing quite a bit for free.
Prev 1 2 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
LAN Event
18:00
Stellar Fest: Day 2
Lambo vs Clem
Scarlett vs TriGGeR
ByuN vs TBD
Zoun vs TBD
ComeBackTV 834
UrsaTVCanada474
IndyStarCraft 74
Liquipedia
IPSL
18:00
Ro24 Group B
dxtr13 vs OldBoy
Napoleon vs Doodle
Liquipedia
PSISTORM Gaming Misc
16:55
FSL teamleague IC vs RR week17
Freeedom30
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ROOTCatZ 78
BRAT_OK 76
IndyStarCraft 74
Vindicta 51
MindelVK 43
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 3095
EffOrt 321
Rush 217
Hyun 85
Backho 51
Rock 49
HiyA 7
Dota 2
qojqva3082
Dendi1215
Counter-Strike
kRYSTAL_49
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor500
Other Games
Beastyqt691
Lowko486
Fuzer 226
KnowMe178
Hui .148
ArmadaUGS139
ViBE51
goatrope47
Trikslyr31
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick400
Counter-Strike
PGL166
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 20 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• printf 31
• davetesta4
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• Airneanach28
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2473
• lizZardDota245
• Ler44
League of Legends
• Nemesis1910
• imaqtpie856
Other Games
• Shiphtur307
• tFFMrPink 18
Upcoming Events
BSL 21
1h 37m
Gosudark vs Kyrie
Gypsy vs OyAji
UltrA vs Radley
Dandy vs Ptak
Replay Cast
4h 37m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
15h 37m
WardiTV Korean Royale
17h 37m
LAN Event
20h 37m
IPSL
23h 37m
JDConan vs WIZARD
WolFix vs Cross
BSL 21
1d 1h
spx vs rasowy
HBO vs KameZerg
Cross vs Razz
dxtr13 vs ZZZero
Replay Cast
1d 14h
Wardi Open
1d 17h
WardiTV Korean Royale
2 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
Classic vs Solar
herO vs Cure
Reynor vs GuMiho
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Solar vs Zoun
MaxPax vs Bunny
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Classic vs Creator
Cure vs TriGGeR
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
herO vs Gerald
ByuN vs SHIN
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 21 Points
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual

Upcoming

SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.