• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 03:42
CET 09:42
KST 17:42
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jan 5-11): Clem wins big offline, Trigger upsets3$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7)15Weekly Cups (Dec 29-Jan 4): Protoss rolls, 2v2 returns7[BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 103SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-1823
StarCraft 2
General
Full list of Mcafee Customer® Service Number Full list of Mcafee Customer® Service Number {{SUPPOrt~Us}}How do i cancel Norton subscription? Full list of Customer® Service Number how do i contact norton to cancel my subscription
Tourneys
SC2 AI Tournament 2026 $21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7) $25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced WardiTV Winter Cup WardiTV Mondays
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 508 Violent Night Mutation # 507 Well Trained Mutation # 506 Warp Zone Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes
Brood War
General
[ASL21] Potential Map Candidates A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone Potential ASL qualifier breakthroughs? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10 SLON Grand Finals – Season 2
Strategy
Game Theory for Starcraft Simple Questions, Simple Answers Current Meta [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Beyond All Reason Nintendo Switch Thread Awesome Games Done Quick 2026! Mechabellum Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Trading/Investing Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL+ Announced
Blogs
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Physical Exercise (HIIT) Bef…
TrAiDoS
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2953 users

[Patch 9.11] Zac Revert General Discussion - Page 2

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
May 31 2019 03:50 GMT
#21
On May 31 2019 10:38 Gahlo wrote:
To which I bring up again "Oh, so you're saying Riot should have been monetizing us even harder but didn't? Fine by me."



It really depends. Some of the broadcast would be improved by monetization, or simply not made worse. Running regular commercials right at the end of a game would actually be a good thing instead of the kind of awkward banter before they go to the desk. It provides pacing, kind of like comic relief does in a movie. Having the desk "presented by kia" or whatever they did is a no-brainer.

The bottom line is some form of ad monetization is healthier for the league, as it doesn't need to rely on VC and Riot sugardaddying.
Freeeeeeedom
LolChamp24601
Profile Joined May 2019
1 Post
May 31 2019 04:52 GMT
#22
I know this isn't yet updated for the new Patch 9.11 but I found this tier list super helpful when deciding who to play the past several months. I've been playing as Riven and they have her listed on God Tier for top. Good luck ya'll.

LoL Tier List

User was banned for this post.
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
May 31 2019 09:26 GMT
#23
On May 31 2019 12:32 chipmonklord17 wrote:
First they killed Mord, now they're gonna kill Fiddlesticks. I'm a sad man

I dunno, after watching some gameplay it doesn't look like they are killing him but rather killing it. He looks fucking baller.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
May 31 2019 16:14 GMT
#24
On May 31 2019 18:26 Jek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2019 12:32 chipmonklord17 wrote:
First they killed Mord, now they're gonna kill Fiddlesticks. I'm a sad man

I dunno, after watching some gameplay it doesn't look like they are killing him but rather killing it. He looks fucking baller.


But current Mord is a unique champion that could exist along side this new baller champion
AdsMoFro
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan4761 Posts
May 31 2019 23:09 GMT
#25
https://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/2019/05/dev-state-of-clash/

Clash update. TLDR: Some back-end changes to Clash. No longer a 3-day tournament, instead it will be 2 one-day tournaments with a rolling bracket start. Beta tests sometime in the summer.
Que Sera Sera
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-01 01:39:47
June 01 2019 00:33 GMT
#26
Alright. I've now played Yuumi three times and with my resume as a caster, analyst and proplayer I can safely say she's fucking broken.

How she has that low win rate is beyond me.

EDIT: Another year another Ryze rework... I dont even know if it's sad or fun at this point.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 01 2019 02:18 GMT
#27
I still love old Ryze best.
Freeeeeeedom
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
June 01 2019 03:15 GMT
#28
First Ryze is definitely the best Ryze.
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-01 05:06:50
June 01 2019 05:06 GMT
#29
First Ryze is honestly the only one where I can remember what the skills do/did.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8785 Posts
June 01 2019 05:20 GMT
#30
wtf why are they reworking ryze again?
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 01 2019 05:45 GMT
#31
On June 01 2019 14:20 evilfatsh1t wrote:
wtf why are they reworking ryze again?


Because they continue to create iterations with 90% Pro Pick/Ban rates that win about 40% of the time in soloQ.

Freeeeeeedom
DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
June 01 2019 09:51 GMT
#32
On June 01 2019 14:45 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2019 14:20 evilfatsh1t wrote:
wtf why are they reworking ryze again?


Because they continue to create iterations with 90% Pro Pick/Ban rates that win about 40% of the time in soloQ.



Also he's a mascot champion, when I think of League I think of Ryze and Ezreal. Both which have proven to be some of the poorest balanced champions in the game for years, but get away with it because of backlash. Lee sin was also in that position, but is pretty balanced now because there's 50 champions with do-everything-has-no-weaknesses kits. I personally look forward to a Ryze rework, he's too strong at the high level, but knowing Riot they won't actually solve his problems.
Fixed a bug where LeBlanc could lose
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
June 01 2019 15:52 GMT
#33
they are making the W root conditional, and to be fair to riot here since I am always the one saying removing all point and click cc from the game is a mobility buff in a game where mobility is already king, in this case they have pretty much tried everything they can to let him keep W and it hasn't worked. In any case the point I was trying to make is I'm not sure if the "machine gun" or the "machine gun + CC" was the problem but it's at least a part of it so he might be balanced this time.
Carrilord has arrived.
AdsMoFro
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan4761 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-01 16:42:14
June 01 2019 16:39 GMT
#34
Riot:

We want to make Ryze less OP in competitive and better in solo queue.

>Gives him an ult that is noticeably better in Comp and pretty much useless in SoloQ

>Becomes better in Competitive

Riot: Shocked pikachu

Edit: Ryze changelist for those who haven't seen it (according to riot there will be a "less drastic" changelist on Monday, whatever that means):

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
Que Sera Sera
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9267 Posts
June 01 2019 16:45 GMT
#35
I'd prefer if they tried to change him into something like Cassiopeia instead of keeping his ult in his kit.
You're now breathing manually
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-01 17:53:17
June 01 2019 17:50 GMT
#36
well the new ult augments his mana scaling so it will be worth points in solo q now, but yes I too was hoping they would delete his underlord ult, maybe make it like his 2nd? passive, where he gets spell weaving cooldown reduction, making him only a machine gun during ult basically, personally I would prefer that to conditional W(lol) but one or the other had to go and both is probably too much
Carrilord has arrived.
DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-01 20:31:45
June 01 2019 19:37 GMT
#37
>Gives him an ult that is noticeably better in Comp and pretty much useless in SoloQ


Yeah, I really don't follow their reasoning for his ult changes.

making him only a machine gun during ult basically,


The old Ryze passive reduced the remaining basic ability CD whenever an ability was used, including when ultimate was activated (hence people would hit Q then R then rest of combo). Riot specifically removed that ultimate because mastery of the champ revolved solely around button mashing, and I'm not a fan of it coming back.

So many people have started super slow debuff builds, Riot needs to address this. Neeko/Ahri/Yuumi/Veigar stacking GLP/Twin Shadows slowing entire enemy teams, and completely shutting down any immobile champs. Veigar slows you from a screen away and you can't dodge his E.
Fixed a bug where LeBlanc could lose
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 01 2019 20:10 GMT
#38
The dumb thing about Ryze is that people have always tunneled on his W even though that's not the problem at all. The problem with the newest iteration is his ult being op in competition and his Q being basically the worst spell in the game.
Freeeeeeedom
loSleb
Profile Joined December 2010
Austria1389 Posts
June 01 2019 20:20 GMT
#39
yeah no
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-01 20:26:14
June 01 2019 20:22 GMT
#40
On June 02 2019 04:37 DarkCore wrote:
Show nested quote +
>Gives him an ult that is noticeably better in Comp and pretty much useless in SoloQ


Yeah, I really don't follow their reasoning for his ult changes.

Show nested quote +
making him only a machine gun during ult basically,


The old Ryze passive reduced the remaining basic ability CD whenever an ability was used, including when ultimate was activated (hence people would hit Q then R then rest of combo). Riot specifically removed that ultimate because mastery of the champ revolved solely around button mashing, and I'm not a fan of it coming back.


Yes that’s the passive I’m referring to, also optimal use was to ult at the end of your combo because it would make your w Cooldown short enough to start a second full combo, I actually feel like I’m in a time machine, the nostalgia of people calling 2nd version of Ryze button mashing whilst giving un optimal spell orders a sentence later

Ryze 2 was op because RoA + Frozen Heart + veil was a max damage build
Carrilord has arrived.
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
PiGosaur Cup
01:00
#64
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft521
BRAT_OK 52
StarCraft: Brood War
Mong 255
Soma 229
Hyun 156
BeSt 134
EffOrt 105
Zeus 104
Dewaltoss 60
Sacsri 41
Mind 28
Noble 15
[ Show more ]
Pusan 11
ZergMaN 11
Bale 7
League of Legends
JimRising 615
C9.Mang0443
Counter-Strike
shoxiejesuss472
allub128
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King128
Other Games
summit1g9948
ceh9442
singsing436
XaKoH 210
Livibee100
minikerr23
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1648
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH182
• LUISG 11
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 8
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV255
League of Legends
• Lourlo1086
• Jankos882
• Stunt421
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Invitational
3h 18m
The PondCast
1d 1h
OSC
1d 3h
OSC
2 days
All Star Teams
2 days
INnoVation vs soO
sOs vs Scarlett
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
All Star Teams
3 days
MMA vs DongRaeGu
Rogue vs Oliveira
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
OSC
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
[ Show More ]
Wardi Open
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-01-13
Big Gabe Cup #3
NA Kuram Kup

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
OSC Championship Season 13
Underdog Cup #3
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W4
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Rongyi Cup S3
Thunderfire SC2 All-star 2025
Nations Cup 2026
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.