• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 13:45
CEST 19:45
KST 02:45
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!9[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Evil Geniuses - shutting down10ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier5Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1[$1250] International ShieldBattery League54Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.166
StarCraft 2
General
REPORT: StarCraft 2: Remastered In Development Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.16 No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? Evil Geniuses - shutting down How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR?
Tourneys
ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WORTEX Challenger Series — Open SC2 LAN in Budapes
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 548 Shining Bright The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror Mutation # 546 Catch the Train
Brood War
General
Do we even care about balance? Sagi.gg Launcher Released [Megathread] Daily Funny Videos Rollback Netcode in Brood War BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[$1250] International ShieldBattery League [ASL22] Grand Finals [BSL23] RO24 Group Stage KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers Replay Review Process - What do you do?
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Armies of Exigo - YesYes? Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI The Chess Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion!
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
How Much Genes Contribute to…
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7095 users

[Patch 9.11] Zac Revert General Discussion - Page 2

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
May 31 2019 03:50 GMT
#21
On May 31 2019 10:38 Gahlo wrote:
To which I bring up again "Oh, so you're saying Riot should have been monetizing us even harder but didn't? Fine by me."



It really depends. Some of the broadcast would be improved by monetization, or simply not made worse. Running regular commercials right at the end of a game would actually be a good thing instead of the kind of awkward banter before they go to the desk. It provides pacing, kind of like comic relief does in a movie. Having the desk "presented by kia" or whatever they did is a no-brainer.

The bottom line is some form of ad monetization is healthier for the league, as it doesn't need to rely on VC and Riot sugardaddying.
Freeeeeeedom
LolChamp24601
Profile Joined May 2019
1 Post
May 31 2019 04:52 GMT
#22
I know this isn't yet updated for the new Patch 9.11 but I found this tier list super helpful when deciding who to play the past several months. I've been playing as Riven and they have her listed on God Tier for top. Good luck ya'll.

LoL Tier List

User was banned for this post.
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
May 31 2019 09:26 GMT
#23
On May 31 2019 12:32 chipmonklord17 wrote:
First they killed Mord, now they're gonna kill Fiddlesticks. I'm a sad man

I dunno, after watching some gameplay it doesn't look like they are killing him but rather killing it. He looks fucking baller.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11944 Posts
May 31 2019 16:14 GMT
#24
On May 31 2019 18:26 Jek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2019 12:32 chipmonklord17 wrote:
First they killed Mord, now they're gonna kill Fiddlesticks. I'm a sad man

I dunno, after watching some gameplay it doesn't look like they are killing him but rather killing it. He looks fucking baller.


But current Mord is a unique champion that could exist along side this new baller champion
AdsMoFro
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan4761 Posts
May 31 2019 23:09 GMT
#25
https://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/2019/05/dev-state-of-clash/

Clash update. TLDR: Some back-end changes to Clash. No longer a 3-day tournament, instead it will be 2 one-day tournaments with a rolling bracket start. Beta tests sometime in the summer.
Que Sera Sera
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-01 01:39:47
June 01 2019 00:33 GMT
#26
Alright. I've now played Yuumi three times and with my resume as a caster, analyst and proplayer I can safely say she's fucking broken.

How she has that low win rate is beyond me.

EDIT: Another year another Ryze rework... I dont even know if it's sad or fun at this point.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 01 2019 02:18 GMT
#27
I still love old Ryze best.
Freeeeeeedom
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
June 01 2019 03:15 GMT
#28
First Ryze is definitely the best Ryze.
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-01 05:06:50
June 01 2019 05:06 GMT
#29
First Ryze is honestly the only one where I can remember what the skills do/did.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8937 Posts
June 01 2019 05:20 GMT
#30
wtf why are they reworking ryze again?
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 01 2019 05:45 GMT
#31
On June 01 2019 14:20 evilfatsh1t wrote:
wtf why are they reworking ryze again?


Because they continue to create iterations with 90% Pro Pick/Ban rates that win about 40% of the time in soloQ.

Freeeeeeedom
DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
June 01 2019 09:51 GMT
#32
On June 01 2019 14:45 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2019 14:20 evilfatsh1t wrote:
wtf why are they reworking ryze again?


Because they continue to create iterations with 90% Pro Pick/Ban rates that win about 40% of the time in soloQ.



Also he's a mascot champion, when I think of League I think of Ryze and Ezreal. Both which have proven to be some of the poorest balanced champions in the game for years, but get away with it because of backlash. Lee sin was also in that position, but is pretty balanced now because there's 50 champions with do-everything-has-no-weaknesses kits. I personally look forward to a Ryze rework, he's too strong at the high level, but knowing Riot they won't actually solve his problems.
Fixed a bug where LeBlanc could lose
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
June 01 2019 15:52 GMT
#33
they are making the W root conditional, and to be fair to riot here since I am always the one saying removing all point and click cc from the game is a mobility buff in a game where mobility is already king, in this case they have pretty much tried everything they can to let him keep W and it hasn't worked. In any case the point I was trying to make is I'm not sure if the "machine gun" or the "machine gun + CC" was the problem but it's at least a part of it so he might be balanced this time.
Carrilord has arrived.
AdsMoFro
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan4761 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-01 16:42:14
June 01 2019 16:39 GMT
#34
Riot:

We want to make Ryze less OP in competitive and better in solo queue.

>Gives him an ult that is noticeably better in Comp and pretty much useless in SoloQ

>Becomes better in Competitive

Riot: Shocked pikachu

Edit: Ryze changelist for those who haven't seen it (according to riot there will be a "less drastic" changelist on Monday, whatever that means):

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
Que Sera Sera
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9331 Posts
June 01 2019 16:45 GMT
#35
I'd prefer if they tried to change him into something like Cassiopeia instead of keeping his ult in his kit.
You're now breathing manually
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-01 17:53:17
June 01 2019 17:50 GMT
#36
well the new ult augments his mana scaling so it will be worth points in solo q now, but yes I too was hoping they would delete his underlord ult, maybe make it like his 2nd? passive, where he gets spell weaving cooldown reduction, making him only a machine gun during ult basically, personally I would prefer that to conditional W(lol) but one or the other had to go and both is probably too much
Carrilord has arrived.
DarkCore
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany4194 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-01 20:31:45
June 01 2019 19:37 GMT
#37
>Gives him an ult that is noticeably better in Comp and pretty much useless in SoloQ


Yeah, I really don't follow their reasoning for his ult changes.

making him only a machine gun during ult basically,


The old Ryze passive reduced the remaining basic ability CD whenever an ability was used, including when ultimate was activated (hence people would hit Q then R then rest of combo). Riot specifically removed that ultimate because mastery of the champ revolved solely around button mashing, and I'm not a fan of it coming back.

So many people have started super slow debuff builds, Riot needs to address this. Neeko/Ahri/Yuumi/Veigar stacking GLP/Twin Shadows slowing entire enemy teams, and completely shutting down any immobile champs. Veigar slows you from a screen away and you can't dodge his E.
Fixed a bug where LeBlanc could lose
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 01 2019 20:10 GMT
#38
The dumb thing about Ryze is that people have always tunneled on his W even though that's not the problem at all. The problem with the newest iteration is his ult being op in competition and his Q being basically the worst spell in the game.
Freeeeeeedom
loSleb
Profile Joined December 2010
Austria1389 Posts
June 01 2019 20:20 GMT
#39
yeah no
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-01 20:26:14
June 01 2019 20:22 GMT
#40
On June 02 2019 04:37 DarkCore wrote:
Show nested quote +
>Gives him an ult that is noticeably better in Comp and pretty much useless in SoloQ


Yeah, I really don't follow their reasoning for his ult changes.

Show nested quote +
making him only a machine gun during ult basically,


The old Ryze passive reduced the remaining basic ability CD whenever an ability was used, including when ultimate was activated (hence people would hit Q then R then rest of combo). Riot specifically removed that ultimate because mastery of the champ revolved solely around button mashing, and I'm not a fan of it coming back.


Yes that’s the passive I’m referring to, also optimal use was to ult at the end of your combo because it would make your w Cooldown short enough to start a second full combo, I actually feel like I’m in a time machine, the nostalgia of people calling 2nd version of Ryze button mashing whilst giving un optimal spell orders a sentence later

Ryze 2 was op because RoA + Frozen Heart + veil was a max damage build
Carrilord has arrived.
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 5h 15m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
LamboSC2 391
UpATreeSC 108
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 31657
Shuttle 651
firebathero 529
EffOrt 426
Rush 167
Dewaltoss 163
ProTech157
Mind 93
ggaemo 78
Barracks 43
[ Show more ]
Mong 42
PianO 38
Free 20
Hm[arnc] 18
HiyA 18
Yoon 15
Sacsri 13
Terrorterran 12
Shine 8
Dota 2
Gorgc11711
qojqva2307
League of Legends
Reynor71
Counter-Strike
fl0m1500
byalli695
edward40
Heroes of the Storm
Trikslyr105
Liquid`Hasu2
Other Games
B2W.Neo1224
Beastyqt872
FrodaN784
ceh9602
C9.Mang0147
XaKoH 146
Chillindude14
MindelVK8
Organizations
StarCraft 2
angryscii 23
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 93
• LUISG 28
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix16
• Pr0nogo 2
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 3143
• WagamamaTV417
League of Legends
• Nemesis2400
• TFBlade733
Other Games
• Shiphtur875
• imaqtpie583
Upcoming Events
OSC
5h 15m
WardiTV Summer Champion…
17h 15m
Harstem vs Zoun
Harstem vs GgMaChine
GgMaChine vs Lambo
Harstem vs Lambo
GgMaChine vs Zoun
Lambo vs Zoun
OSC
20h 15m
FEL
1d 15h
Patches Events
1d 19h
AI Arena Tournament
1d 23h
FEL
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
WardiTV Weekly
3 days
[ Show More ]
IntoTheTV X SOOP
4 days
ByuN vs Lambo
MaxPax vs Bunny
PiGosaur Cup
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
6 days
SHIN vs GuMiho
Clem vs Classic
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-10-20
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
IPSL Winter 2026-27
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
Acropolis #5 - GSC
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.