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dsyxelic
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1417 Posts
January 18 2017 05:05 GMT
#81
zyra/mf is decent vs him. just gotta be very wary of the ult/ganks but that's pretty typical when playing as those 2 supports.

he's an S tier support right now for a reason though. pretty strong atm
TL/SKT
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
January 18 2017 05:34 GMT
#82
So today I found out that LCS finals are coming to my city.

Vancouver fuck yeah. First major esports event ever to be held here I think?

And that's despite us having 2 of the strongest collegiate teams and a very vibrant LoL community.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 18 2017 06:18 GMT
#83
On January 18 2017 14:34 Amui wrote:
So today I found out that LCS finals are coming to my city.

Vancouver fuck yeah. First major esports event ever to be held here I think?

And that's despite us having 2 of the strongest collegiate teams and a very vibrant LoL community.

UBC OP, plz nerf
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Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-18 17:15:35
January 18 2017 17:13 GMT
#84
On January 18 2017 13:54 Kaneh wrote:
ideas about how to play vs malz support?

it feels very cheesy, but there's not too many openings to abuse, and the lvl 6 flash all-in seems way too strong.

pre-6 feels like you're just clearing voidlings... you might be able to go aggro a bit and win some trades, but never extended trades because voidlings will eat you up.

the only success i've found is with lulu/nami, but even then Its just being really defensive and peeling/saving only. any other support that tries to harass or something will just get the lvl 6 combo directed at them, then they 2v1 your adc.

Janna and Soraka are pretty good. They win lane by just going even since he's "just" a flash/ult bot (which they both got tools against) if he doesn't get ahead and their kits are a million times better in a low budget lane.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6184 Posts
January 18 2017 17:19 GMT
#85
On January 19 2017 02:13 Jek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 13:54 Kaneh wrote:
ideas about how to play vs malz support?

it feels very cheesy, but there's not too many openings to abuse, and the lvl 6 flash all-in seems way too strong.

pre-6 feels like you're just clearing voidlings... you might be able to go aggro a bit and win some trades, but never extended trades because voidlings will eat you up.

the only success i've found is with lulu/nami, but even then Its just being really defensive and peeling/saving only. any other support that tries to harass or something will just get the lvl 6 combo directed at them, then they 2v1 your adc.

Janna and Soraka are pretty good. They win lane by just going even since he's "just" a flash/ult bot (which they both got tools against) if he doesn't get ahead and their kits are a million times better in a low budget lane.

Last time I played against a malz sup I went Sion and it did work out ok.
n_n
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
January 18 2017 19:16 GMT
#86
Am I the only one who thinks analysts are overrating Flyquest, this team is 9th at best imo. I mean maybe I'm nitpicking, nobody is showing them in the playoffs or anything. But I feel like not labeling them potential 10th is too high.
Carrilord has arrived.
dsyxelic
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1417 Posts
January 18 2017 21:38 GMT
#87
On January 19 2017 04:16 Slusher wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks analysts are overrating Flyquest, this team is 9th at best imo. I mean maybe I'm nitpicking, nobody is showing them in the playoffs or anything. But I feel like not labeling them potential 10th is too high.


I think the more realistic outcome is that they aren't 10th and not playoffs. They definitely don't look like playoffs material from the information we have, but I'd find it somewhat surprising to see them 10th. There's going to be at least 1 team that implodes and the synergy/haicalls should have them edge out dysfunctional teams. I'd be surprised if there wasn't one this season. I'm expecting them 8th or 9th.
TL/SKT
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
January 18 2017 22:27 GMT
#88
On January 19 2017 04:16 Slusher wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks analysts are overrating Flyquest, this team is 9th at best imo. I mean maybe I'm nitpicking, nobody is showing them in the playoffs or anything. But I feel like not labeling them potential 10th is too high.

If they're a Riot analyst, that's just the way it is. Nobody is bad, they're just decent at worst.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
January 19 2017 01:36 GMT
#89
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Reson
Profile Joined July 2014
530 Posts
January 19 2017 01:53 GMT
#90
Another round of questions:
1) The is not spell cast cancelling correct? Once the animation for the spell starts, its gone?

2) Using Lux's ult as an example, do opponents see the indicator of where she is aiming when casting? Does it matter if Lux is out of vision or in vision? Related to Q1, you cant restart the energy gathering and aim somewhere else right?

3) For "when in Jungle" effects, what counts as jungle? Any are thats not lane? Does river count? Or do you need to be engaged with Monsters?

Learned something yestersday while playing some bots for exp. Fountain in LoL is a lot stronger than Dota.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 19 2017 02:08 GMT
#91
Some spells have a channeling time and can be cancelled, they'll usually go on cooldown though.
Some spells' channeling is actually a wind-up time (Vi's or Varus' q, I'm not sure how Sion's qualifies), and can be interrupted by the player (usually for a (partial) mana refund) or by cc, in which case it usually goes on a shorter cooldown (rooting Vi during her wind-up will put it on a 3s cd).

Most spells simply have an animation and it won't stop unless the character dies (and even then, for some), you can't cancel the upswing either (not sure about the backswing, that's another topic entirely).
In Lux's case, only death will stop it once you confirm the cast, and yes everyone can see the red "pointer" before the ult goes off, even in the fog of war I believe, to avoid getting sniped from 3k range without the ability to react (most stuff has cues, either the projectile like for Nidalee's spears, travel time for Ezreal's/Ashe's ults, range indicator for Jhin/Xerath).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-19 02:52:05
January 19 2017 02:50 GMT
#92
On January 19 2017 10:36 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 15:18 NeoIllusions wrote:
On January 18 2017 14:34 Amui wrote:
So today I found out that LCS finals are coming to my city.

Vancouver fuck yeah. First major esports event ever to be held here I think?

And that's despite us having 2 of the strongest collegiate teams and a very vibrant LoL community.

UBC OP, plz nerf


I wouldn't be surprised if UBC is so strong because it's power by Asians. UofC is getting more and more maybe with a Korean exchange they could take down UBC. Do California schools (where I believe there are more Asians in the states) do well? Or am I competly off base with the whole Asians better at video game thing

I'd look this up for you but uLoL has such garbo coverage that it's not possible. I understand what you're trying to get at and no it's not that surprising that Asians are good at the vidya gamez.

On January 19 2017 10:53 Reson wrote:
Another round of questions:
1) The is not spell cast cancelling correct? Once the animation for the spell starts, its gone?

2) Using Lux's ult as an example, do opponents see the indicator of where she is aiming when casting? Does it matter if Lux is out of vision or in vision? Related to Q1, you cant restart the energy gathering and aim somewhere else right?

3) For "when in Jungle" effects, what counts as jungle? Any are thats not lane? Does river count? Or do you need to be engaged with Monsters?

Learned something yestersday while playing some bots for exp. Fountain in LoL is a lot stronger than Dota.


l0l, you ask some pretty weird questions. As in, for a person whose doto experience is a distant memory, you're thinking of things that doesn't even cross the mind of a lot of League players.

1. For all intents and purposes, there is no spell cast cancelling. If you're chasing after an enemy champ and they're outside of cast range, spell is still in queue until they get into range. There's some stuff that Adrian Riven does that is Flash Cancelling but 99% of player population doesn't know about it, much less be able to execute it.

2. For Final Spark, Lux is root while channeling her ulti for that 1s. There is about a half second where you can see where the laser will land, meaning if your the opposing player, you could technically Flash out of the way of Final Spark.
Most channeled spells do root the champ that's casting in place. There are minor exceptions, like Camille's Tactical Sweep, where she can move around to aim the cone.

3. "Jungle" is all minions not spawned for lane. Pulling a melee minion into the jungle doesn't sudden make them a jungle monster. Scuttles in the river also count as monsters, not minions. Most item effects that have jungle effects do require to interactive with said monsters. I don't recall any item giving you any sort of benefit just by passively standing in the jungle/outside of lane.
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Reson
Profile Joined July 2014
530 Posts
January 19 2017 03:26 GMT
#93
Some follow up
1) I should reword this question since cancelling seem to be the wrong word. What I want to know is if you can use "s" or some other means to stop a spell after you have input the command. Using Ashe's Volley as an example, can you stop it after you press w? Or is it instantaneous and therefore impossible even for the best in the world?
Essentially is there an upswing cast animation that can be stopped by the controlling player to reposition the skill?

3) I was asking cause the "Stalker's blade" description says 180% mana regen while in Jungle. I assumed that mean I get that while walking around. Is that the case?

JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
January 19 2017 03:31 GMT
#94
You cannot stop most abilities during the animation. There are a few exceptions like Karthus Ult, which is a true channel. Cancelling these abilities places them on CD, which might be reduced depending on the ability.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 19 2017 03:54 GMT
#95
On January 19 2017 12:26 Reson wrote:
Some follow up
1) I should reword this question since cancelling seem to be the wrong word. What I want to know is if you can use "s" or some other means to stop a spell after you have input the command. Using Ashe's Volley as an example, can you stop it after you press w? Or is it instantaneous and therefore impossible even for the best in the world?
Essentially is there an upswing cast animation that can be stopped by the controlling player to reposition the skill?

3) I was asking cause the "Stalker's blade" description says 180% mana regen while in Jungle. I assumed that mean I get that while walking around. Is that the case?


1. No, in 99% of cases, you can't cancel such skill shots like Ashe W, Ezreal Q, Graves Q, etc. There are some non-targeted abilities like Camille W and Darius Q that has a wind up time/channeling portion to the spell right before actual effect that allows you to reposition the skill but again, you can't cancel the spell once you hit the button.

3. ider Stalker's having a mana regen because it's such a superfluous stat tbh. While I haven't tested it out myself and looked directly at the mana bar, the phrasing does make it sound like you get additional mana regen passively, while standing in the jungle (outside of lane and base). So I stand corrected in the previous post.
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Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-19 07:41:37
January 19 2017 07:41 GMT
#96
I think it's only the on-autoattack skills that can be canceled with s.

Just tried varus Q and s doesn't cancel it, so I'd imagine that's the case with other charge skills as well.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4123 Posts
January 19 2017 09:57 GMT
#97
Jungle item mana regen really isn't a superfluous stat. Granted, I usually play mana-heavy junglers, but on the second clear (or any other time you don't have blue) the difference in mana is pretty big.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
January 19 2017 11:18 GMT
#98
On January 19 2017 18:57 Fildun wrote:
Jungle item mana regen really isn't a superfluous stat. Granted, I usually play mana-heavy junglers, but on the second clear (or any other time you don't have blue) the difference in mana is pretty big.

It's huge on a lot of junglers tbh. It's allows you to use something like 100-150 mana per camp without running oom.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-19 15:45:36
January 19 2017 15:41 GMT
#99
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ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-20 03:28:39
January 20 2017 03:18 GMT
#100
I know there used to be a trick with Lux ultimate that you could kinda mess around with. You could flash to change direction of lux ulti that fraction of a second where it was between channeling and the spell effect occurring, but I believe it's no longer possible to do this. See the video in the spoiler:

+ Show Spoiler +
I believe the basic premise was that you'd channel your ult, and then flash to change the direction the character was facing so that you could redirect, and so cause people to dodge incorrectly/not at all. Pretty interesting, but comments seem to say you can no longer do this.
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