yea warwicks new kit looked insane on paper and then the numbers on PBE confirmed my suspicions. I got to masters playing the shitty old watered down version of warwicks kit, and they just literally took it and made it 20x better with no drawbacks.

Q less mana and gapcloser, blood scent way better, aoe fear and damage reduction (finally dont have to go full tank every game) and then he only loses power on the ultimate in some ways but his ult numbers are pretty damn high.

I'll be surprised if he doesnt get tuned down before release on pbe

Bulgaria4186 Posts

January 11 2017 15:23 GMT

#22

not sure what are you talking about, this is a completely new champ, comparison with the old wolf looks kind of pointless to me.

Slusher

United States19143 Posts

January 11 2017 15:46 GMT

#23

The real question on everyone's mind at TL has to be how good is ww support?

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iCanada

Canada10660 Posts

January 11 2017 15:46 GMT

#24

Not really. He is essentially old WW with a gap closer on Q and DR / fear in lieu of the W attack speed steroid.

I will say removing that is a big tower taking nerf. New W passive doesn't work on towers and isn't given to the ADC.

GrandInquisitor

New York City13113 Posts

January 11 2017 15:53 GMT

#25

Not just towers, neutral objectives too. With an ADC, old Warwick was in the top tier of Baron sneak champs along with Heimerdinger and Nunu. It often felt like he was hunting the jungle more than he was hunting opponents.

cLutZ

United States19574 Posts

January 11 2017 16:22 GMT

#26

On January 12 2017 00:53 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Not just towers, neutral objectives too. With an ADC, old Warwick was in the top tier of Baron sneak champs along with Heimerdinger and Nunu. It often felt like he was hunting the jungle more than he was hunting opponents.

He kinda stunk at hunting opponents...

iCanada

Canada10660 Posts

January 11 2017 17:20 GMT

#27

New ww can solo baron with SV and Tabi's.

BTW.

Also can solo Drake on spawn.

You start bead + machete, quick Tiamat. He kind of feels like ww had a baby with reksai.

JimmiC

Canada22817 Posts

January 11 2017 18:03 GMT

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Jek

Denmark2771 Posts

January 11 2017 18:06 GMT

#29

Anything that might add another jungler to the mix is great. Seeing the same old every. single. game. has gotten really pretty boring.

iCanada

Canada10660 Posts

January 11 2017 18:58 GMT

#30

On January 12 2017 03:03 JimmiC wrote:
Great now you got me all hot and bothered. Can't wait to see the videos.

Don't get too excited. It's kinda slow. Realistically you need a second or farming more efficient.

He can do it though.

JimmiC

Canada22817 Posts

January 11 2017 19:08 GMT

#31

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Reson

530 Posts

January 12 2017 01:35 GMT

#32

Learning items now.
Any recommendations for websites for mobile or ios apps that have an item tree? Im mostly using the fandom wiki since they have links between items but it seems to constantly break on mobile.

What tools are there to detect invis?

Sent.

Poland9331 Posts

January 12 2017 01:43 GMT

#33

Towers have true sight, everything else cannot reveal insivible (not just stealthed) champions. Riot thought taking away counterplay against invisibility was a good idea. Technically you can damage invisible champions with aoe abilities which makes them shimmer but you still can't target those with point and click abilities. Stealthed champions reveal themselves when close to enemy champions or towers (but not wards).

Dunno if scryers bloom plant reveals invisible champions, would be cool if it did.

JimmiC

Canada22817 Posts

January 12 2017 02:14 GMT

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NeoIllusions

United States37500 Posts

January 12 2017 02:43 GMT

#35

The league wiki page on items is prob the best out of game tool to use if you want to get familiar with items.

Wiki page on Stealth. A lot of this is new since Riot revamped the stealth system over the preseason.

As for builds, I also recommend op.gg. It's about as group think as champion.gg since it goes off of stats and win rates but you also have the ability to look up OTPs. Not all champions are played by pros; not to mention, give credit where it's due, some of these guys have thousands of games with their one champion. Why not piggy back off their experience?

glhf, ask more questions as they come up in the thread. o/

Gahlo

United States35174 Posts

January 12 2017 06:28 GMT

#36

I highly recommend leagueofgraphs for item builds. Their pages for each champion will show you the most popular "core"(first 3 non-boot items) for a champion, which boots they favor, and the most popular items to round out builds.

Reson

530 Posts

January 12 2017 11:53 GMT

#37

Thanks for the suggestions. I cant believe I completely missed the wiki app probably got too use to ignoring all the "try our app" banners on mobile sites.

I'll keep those other sites in mind when I want to look at builds.

Jek

Denmark2771 Posts

January 12 2017 16:24 GMT

#38

Have any of you PBE guys tried Warwick with a Sivir/Talisman support comp? The idea of a long range pounce (do it get increased enough?) enabling easy picks feel pretty intriguing.

Gahlo

United States35174 Posts

January 12 2017 16:52 GMT

#39

On January 13 2017 01:24 Jek wrote:
Have any of you PBE guys tried Warwick with a Sivir/Talisman support comp? The idea of a long range pounce (do it get increased enough?) enabling easy picks feel pretty intriguing.

I think I read something on reddit that it can scale up to 7k range.

Jek

Denmark2771 Posts

January 12 2017 17:12 GMT

#40

On January 13 2017 01:52 Gahlo wrote:

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I think I read something on reddit that it can scale up to 7k range.

Wouldn't that require an obscene amount of bonus movement speed. Ghost+sivir+lulu+zilean+kled or something silly like that. If it's possible to reach a very long range with a sensible comp it seems like a legit strategy since anything with Sivir can catch up to him very quickly.

Actually just Kled+Warwick sounds pretty interesting. Oh baby the lane ganks.