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M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4146 Posts
January 23 2017 13:45 GMT
#121
anyone having issues with spectating? It doesn't work for me personally, but I am not sure is it just in my system or its an overall problem, since, I can't find Riot saying anything about it
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
January 23 2017 14:29 GMT
#122
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M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4146 Posts
January 23 2017 15:09 GMT
#123
I don;t know, I am EUNE and with the old client
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
General_Winter
Profile Joined February 2011
United States719 Posts
January 23 2017 18:26 GMT
#124
What features of scion cause him to consistently have some of the best support win rates on solo queue but get no play at the pro level?

What gives him such good solo numbers?

Why doesn't that translate?
Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
January 23 2017 18:31 GMT
#125
On January 24 2017 03:26 General_Winter wrote:
What features of scion cause him to consistently have some of the best support win rates on solo queue but get no play at the pro level?

What gives him such good solo numbers?

Why doesn't that translate?
I haven't seen any numbers, but could it be that his winrate is reversely correlated with elo?
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 23 2017 23:07 GMT
#126
If we're looking at champion.gg, Support Sion is ranked 2 in terms of win rate, which makes you think, " wow, that's pretty impressive for a melee support" but if you scroll down more you realize that he has double digit pick rate. Compare that to standard solo queue Supports, like Thresh, Janna, Blitz, which have thousands of games play, it means that the small niche of Sion Support players are successful at an above average rate but still heavily skewing the results due to sample size. You have to also realize that the top 5 most played solo q Supports (Thresh, Janna, Blitz, Leona, Morg), four of them have rarely even graced pro play.

As for why Support Sion "works", I think it's more of a gimmick because players are not used to him. He can do a lot of damage essentially for free against unsuspecting players, whether that be a fully charged Q or E poke. He's a tanky beast that is very capable at engaging team fights mid and late game. I think it's easier to harass with Sion than it is to harass a Sion early on in bot lane because he can secure brush control. This obviously doesn't translate well into pro play because no competent bot lane pair are going to stand around to get smashed by a Q randomly.
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
January 23 2017 23:18 GMT
#127
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Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4123 Posts
January 23 2017 23:26 GMT
#128
Sion has had a top-3 winrate for about 10 patches now, so I'm not quite sure whether the sample size issue is that big.
Botlaners usually don't know how much damage he does at early levels so he can get easy leads.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 23 2017 23:52 GMT
#129
10 patch duration just means Sion has the potential to work imo. It's still a small selection of players using him successfully. The general population is unaware, much less capable, of how to play against Sion Support so he has a decent win rate.

I'm of the opinion that if Support Sion was more popular (picked more in general), less capable players trying him out and failing, Sion's win rate would drop down to around where Support Naut and Braum are (high teens in ranking). But since Sion is so obscure atm, only players who actually know wtf they're doing will play him and they still maintain their surprise factor. Being a niche pick means general pop won't randomly pick this champion to go out on a test drive in ranked.
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MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
January 24 2017 02:53 GMT
#130
Yeah its what Neo said, its because people dont know how to play against Sion support. In my soloQ games, I notice that 2v2 botlane fights are usually end up with both sides very low HP when both pairs play it fairly well. I see quite a few Sion supports gets double kills consistently because of the surprise factor of his passive due to the unawareness of bot lane players.
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Kaneh
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada737 Posts
January 24 2017 04:51 GMT
#131
did some P/B spreadsheeting...
https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/5ptdvx/week_1_pickban_across_the_4_major_regions_72/

The interesting notes include Jhin/Tahm being used everywhere except NA, and LPL liking the trundle to help counter ubertanks.

and to no-one's suprise, camille and rengar are indeed 100% P/B with LB being 97.73%
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
January 24 2017 06:02 GMT
#132
On January 24 2017 13:51 Kaneh wrote:
did some P/B spreadsheeting...
https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/5ptdvx/week_1_pickban_across_the_4_major_regions_72/

The interesting notes include Jhin/Tahm being used everywhere except NA, and LPL liking the trundle to help counter ubertanks.

and to no-one's suprise, camille and rengar are indeed 100% P/B with LB being 97.73%

Jhin has a 28% PB rate in NA, Kench 8%.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
January 24 2017 06:32 GMT
#133
I think Jihn will be picked consistently unless he is hammered, or real late game ADC damage is brought back as a necessity. He just lets teams be so bad botlane without getting punished. If your ADC is below average, or you want mid and/or top to carry, he's your man.
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Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-24 08:47:20
January 24 2017 08:46 GMT
#134
lmao maokai 90% winrate with a decent sample size. *sigh

Damn, the other roles aren't much better...
General_Winter
Profile Joined February 2011
United States719 Posts
January 24 2017 11:40 GMT
#135
Worth noting the pick ban numbers are not directly comparable to prior years due to the extra bans.
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9289 Posts
January 24 2017 12:19 GMT
#136
Rengar Jungle 11 77 100.00%


Can we revert his rework or just remove him from the game? He used to be a pubstomp champion too weak to be picked in competitive but now he's too strong both in competitive and in "solo" Q.
You're now breathing manually
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
January 24 2017 13:07 GMT
#137
On January 24 2017 21:19 Sent. wrote:
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Rengar Jungle 11 77 100.00%


Can we revert his rework or just remove him from the game? He used to be a pubstomp champion too weak to be picked in competitive but now he's too strong both in competitive and in "solo" Q.

What, you don't like an assassin that can go Warrior>Cleaver>Tank?
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4123 Posts
January 24 2017 14:43 GMT
#138
Why does he have CC immunity, it makes no sense
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
January 24 2017 14:51 GMT
#139
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
January 24 2017 15:12 GMT
#140
On January 24 2017 23:51 JimmiC wrote:
What's odd with Mao is he is clearly powerful but almost never picked/banned in the first part of the draft (from what I have been watching)

Because Mao is just really strong instead of "jesus christ, we have to play around this." strong.
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