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On January 24 2017 23:51 JimmiC wrote:
What's odd with Mao is he is clearly powerful but almost never picked/banned in the first part of the draft (from what I have been watching)
My guess is there's some champions you really dont want to pick him against, Fiora/Jayce/Singed?
On January 24 2017 23:43 Fildun wrote:
Why does he have CC immunity, it makes no sense
Because Riot is a huge fan of counterplay.
Oh hold on one second......
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If I rooted for rox tigers at worlds what team should I root for now? I know the players scattered to the five winds but it'd be nice to know who has the most old rox players at the moment or who is the best underdog to cheer for against SKT (yeah I know peanut is Rox).
Not asking the LCK thread because I'm afraid of spoilers.
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On January 25 2017 01:59 phyvo wrote:
If I rooted for rox tigers at worlds what team should I root for now? I know the players scattered to the five winds but it'd be nice to know who has the most old rox players at the moment or who is the best underdog to cheer for against SKT (yeah I know peanut is Rox).
Not asking the LCK thread because I'm afraid of spoilers.
Most former ROX members: Longzhu
Best Underdog, defined at most likely to beat SKT: KT
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Thanks, that's exactly what I needed to know.
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On January 24 2017 08:52 NeoIllusions wrote:
10 patch duration just means Sion has the potential to work imo. It's still a small selection of players using him successfully. The general population is unaware, much less capable, of how to play against Sion Support so he has a decent win rate.
I'm of the opinion that if Support Sion was more popular (picked more in general), less capable players trying him out and failing, Sion's win rate would drop down to around where Support Naut and Braum are (high teens in ranking). But since Sion is so obscure atm, only players who actually know wtf they're doing will play him and they still maintain their surprise factor. Being a niche pick means general pop won't randomly pick this champion to go out on a test drive in ranked.
Sion is less gimmicky that Naut imo.
Sion hard shits on any melee support except maybe Ali. You're basically a hybrid support. You poke like a karma. Winning on sion has nothing to do with hitting Q'start. It's about landing E and shoving waves.
You have strong wave control and shove, you always have minion advantages in fights.
No one can 2v2 against an aggro sion except maybe a Janna lanE because of how easy it is for him to walk at you with W on and start an all in. If you kill him you lose the 2v2 guaranteed. His passive can 1v2 most not lanes if he dies on someone; you can't hit him but he hits hard with E, peels well, and runes offensively to the point that he can roll your carry if you're not on him.
He's not completely broken, but he is certainly strong. He's a melee support with the laning of a ranged support basically. He has that much trading power. Compared to most melees he can't force kills though. But that's not what he does; fact is thathat he wins all all ins but he can't make em happen.
He's best with MF, draven, Jhin IMO, because they capitalize on his armor shred the best. Sion E + MF Q is close to 450 damage level 1. It's pretty scary.
I really don't consider him a melee support. Honestly you E on CD basically like Karma poke. You win lane with harass then you're late game Sion with R>Q engage. Guys like Nautilus Braum aren't damage threats in lane. Sion definitely is. He can zone a carry on his own.
His winrate would drop for sure, but I think he'd still be a high tier support. I think people would fight him less so he would snowball out of control less, but he'd still win lanes. A lot of his surprise factor is like "fuck he just 1v2'd us from passive now his adc fed and has huuuge XP lead". Very possible to beat something like Karma if you're adc can land any harass after you land the armor shred. It's skill matchup. Sion can outplay almost any support and that's without considering his Q.
Obv he gets silly when he has brush control and gets to all in. But he's viable without imo.
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I feel like the jungle changes are just going to limit jungle diversity, having the camps do more damage will just punish champs with worse clears even further
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yea they are going about it the wrong way. Its not the jungle thats too strong, there is a lot of balanced or underpowred junglers right now. They needed to do nerfs to the jungle offenders, but this is riot we are talking about.
At least it gives me more breathing room top, tired of being lvl 2 and getting ganked by a lvl 3 jungler.
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On January 25 2017 05:53 VayneAuthority wrote:
yea they are going about it the wrong way. Its not the jungle thats too strong, there is a lot of balanced or underpowred junglers right now. They needed to do nerfs to the jungle offenders, but this is riot we are talking about.
At least it gives me more breathing room top, tired of being lvl 2 and getting ganked by a lvl 3 jungler.
This is after the specifically mentioned they don't want to make Nidalee queen of the jungle but are making it much easier for the top tier junglers to stay top tier, and farther above their competition. I don't see these Nidalee changes doing jack shit with the jungle buff too
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oh i misread change they actually delayed everything by 3sec so its going to be even harder to get good leash lmao even less reason to play anything which isnt top tier and clears super fast
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they giveth and taketh away. Nasus jungle was fun for the 2 weeks it lasted, back to top lane. No way I can reasonably do it in such a shitty jungle
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On January 25 2017 06:06 kongoline wrote:
oh i misread change they actually delayed everything by 3sec so its going to be even harder to get good leash lmao even less reason to play anything which isnt top tier and clears super fast
No see you don't understand.
If junglers can't clear the jungle they are totes viable. Doesn't matter if they can't farm and are always at 1 shot range from Lee sin.
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Honestly after the nerds last patch I thought the jungle itself was in an ok spot to look at the outlier champs next.
TBH this patch is pretty ??? To me
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