EPT[Patch 6.19] Reverted Kog'Maw General Discussion - Page 3
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On September 22 2016 20:47 Gahlo wrote: The Jungle position sucks competitively because Riot will simultaneously nerf the FotM champions and their jungle item before introducing a bonkers jungle item, effectively changing what is allowed to be strong. Then after that happens, what gets played is shunted down even further by the top lane meta. I agree, but the scariness of being Nidalee/Elise/Kindred invaded during your first 2 clears is diminished if you aren't low hp, oom, and behind a camp. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
When lane swaps weren't discouraged by mechanics, the jungler was able to effect the game in a slightly different way, which made it a bit easier to have stronger junglers, because part of their responsibility was to cater to the lane swapped player. | ||
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
Almost every current meta jungler (arguably any jungler released since 2013) was first released and designed for top or mid, and only got shunted to jungle after Riot nerfed their numbers but didn't nerf the overall kit until much later on. Nowadays junglers are used almost solely for two of four roles: secondary ward bot to supplement support vision, ganking during lane phase to strengthen or supplement your laners, a frontline tank to absorb hits, or a person that can isolate someone in a teamfight (usually the ADC or mid laner) and distract them long enough for your damage dealers to do their thing. Probably the only champions released that stayed in the jungle for their entire length of existing is Vi and Kindred, and the latter saw minor play in top and mid before Riot nerfed their numbers and forced them into the jungle. Vi can't be in top or mid because she can't clear waves fast enough without maxing E first, and if she does that then she can never engage properly until post level 11, when lane phase has already ended. | ||
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NpG)Explosive
France994 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On September 23 2016 05:06 NpG)Explosive wrote: Reksai has been in the jungle since her release only been nerfed about 9 times though  | ||
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Poland9331 Posts
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
On September 23 2016 05:06 NpG)Explosive wrote: Reksai has been in the jungle since her release Rek'Sai was played in top first because she could just go Tiamat into one of the Hydra items and just be a split pusher and still be around for teamfights (ult back to top, TP to the teamfight if she didn't have a tunnel in the area), and the only tank that could go against that was Mundo. She did see play in LCK in top after she was made legal to play, and after 3-5 games they got the new patch which had the first of the Rek'Sai nerfs (which I believe was a nerf to Q's damage and her base AA damage). After that, she went to the jungle and stayed there. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On September 23 2016 04:21 Kinie wrote: The biggest hurdle for any jungle champion Riot makes and balances is this: "why not just play them in top or mid?" Almost every current meta jungler (arguably any jungler released since 2013) was first released and designed for top or mid, and only got shunted to jungle after Riot nerfed their numbers but didn't nerf the overall kit until much later on. Nowadays junglers are used almost solely for two of four roles: secondary ward bot to supplement support vision, ganking during lane phase to strengthen or supplement your laners, a frontline tank to absorb hits, or a person that can isolate someone in a teamfight (usually the ADC or mid laner) and distract them long enough for your damage dealers to do their thing. Probably the only champions released that stayed in the jungle for their entire length of existing is Vi and Kindred, and the latter saw minor play in top and mid before Riot nerfed their numbers and forced them into the jungle. Vi can't be in top or mid because she can't clear waves fast enough without maxing E first, and if she does that then she can never engage properly until post level 11, when lane phase has already ended. I don't necessarily think this is true. This season was the season of Carry junglers. Even now Nidalee, the epitome of a carry jungler, is still hella strong. Kindred and Graves, also pretty much the definitions of carry Junglers, were real dominant before they nerfed the shit out of him. In fact there have been carry junglers every season, riot just nerfs the shit out of them then wonders why no one plays carry junglers any more. | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On September 23 2016 06:00 iCanada wrote: I don't necessarily think this is true. This season was the season of Carry junglers. Even now Nidalee, the epitome of a carry jungler, is still hella strong. Kindred and Graves, also pretty much the definitions of carry Junglers, were real dominant before they nerfed the shit out of him. In fact there have been carry junglers every season, riot just nerfs the shit out of them then wonders why no one plays carry junglers any more. season of low eco carry junglers | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
i dunno thats just spitballing, but I do miss seeing junglers with other responsibilities that don't result in a burden on other players like ganking and dragon/rift herald. Lane swaps did that, and the role was more interesting to me as a result. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On September 23 2016 08:00 PrinceXizor wrote: I just want more things the jungler can do because red/blue buff are boring. And Ganking isn't mechanically encouraged as much as just roam -> taking bot tower is. Rift Herald is neat but it's kind of dull that it needs 2 people to take it effectively. Crabs are pretty much a non objective. Many junglers are "hunt" themed, why not have a "rare" hunt every 5 minutes or some shit. One camp changes on each side to a special camp that gives gold/xp to the team that kills it. it's just mini-game enough riot will eat it up, and it gives the junglers something to do that isn't hoping someone makes a mistake. Bonuses for invading as well and controlling both hunts. i dunno thats just spitballing, but I do miss seeing junglers with other responsibilities that don't result in a burden on other players like ganking and dragon/rift herald. Lane swaps did that, and the role was more interesting to me as a result. I'm sorry, when am I supposed to get blue outside of the 1st? | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On September 23 2016 09:31 Gahlo wrote: I'm sorry, when am I supposed to get blue outside of the 1st? Whenever you feel. You have the smite, not them. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On September 23 2016 11:56 iCanada wrote: Whenever you feel. You have the smite, not them. How to tilt your mid into the sun 101 | ||
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Poland9331 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On September 23 2016 09:31 Gahlo wrote: I'm sorry, when am I supposed to get blue outside of the 1st? Getting mid blue is still part of a junglers responsibilities. it doesn't stop being your job just because you don't take the buff yourself. which is my point. | ||
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