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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
I will definitely be taking it against ranged champs that i cant proc grasp on reliably, it felt stupid to have that keystone vs ranged champs. I will have to see how strong it is relative to grasp for other MUs. aggressive champs early you will prob still need grasp for trades. | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On February 26 2016 00:55 JimmiC wrote: You can get a skin with ip? Im in it looks like a massive pain in the ass. you need 10 rare gems from chest drops which is i guess a ~3% drop rate currently? | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
and no, the ammo system feels really clunky, its fine on graves who is like a burly lumbering outlaw anyway and plays smoothly with it, but on jhin its fucking garbage, feels terrible. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
also hextech Annie is a worrying trend indeed. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On February 26 2016 01:43 Slusher wrote: I think it feels good on Graves because it's just ammo, the reason it feels so bad on Jihn is because of the 4th bullet. Stop attacking on Graves for a full second he starts a reload, meanwhile Jihn will try to hold on to his bullet count, I really don't like it. I dunno Jihn players seem to think it's fine but it makes the hero super unappealing to me. also hextech Annie is a worrying trend indeed. I find that I probably don't like it as a whole because I like autos being autos, but also probably because I liked to lazily play old Graves and just go ham all the time in lane. | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4186 Posts
Never played at pro level, one of the slowest jungle clears, you may say he is a pub stomper but he is far from the biggest pub stompers, rarely picked overall... Pantheon Heartseeker Strike (E) Active damage over 3 strikes lowered to 80/130/180/230/280 (+3 bonus AD) from 80/140/220/260/320 (+3.6 bonus AD) [Tooltip has changed. It now lists damage over three strikes vs listing an damage of each strike. Also now lists damage to champions and mentions it does reduced damage to minion/monster rather than damage it does to monster/minion then double to champiions.] [NOTE: Damage to minions/monsters roughly the same.] Grand Skyfall (R) Mana cost reduced to 100 at all ranks from 125. No longer refunds (85) mana if R is cancelled. Cooldown when cancelled increased to 30 seconds from 10 secon | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
Or something like that. Makes sense, create a braindead character, he becomes annoying, just nerf him until no one plays him. | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4186 Posts
On February 26 2016 04:32 Requizen wrote: "Unfun to play against" Or something like that. Makes sense, create a braindead character, he becomes annoying, just nerf him until no one plays him. yeah we all know the scheme, but panth is like that like forever, not much changed now and have you ever heard someone complaining about him for the last 2 years? I would understand slight nerfs just for the luls but kicking him out of the game is really weird | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On February 26 2016 04:49 M2 wrote: yeah we all know the scheme, but panth is like that like forever, not much changed now and have you ever heard someone complaining about him for the last 2 years? I would understand slight nerfs just for the luls but kicking him out of the game is really weird I've seen him quite a bit in Silver lately. TLD is really nice on him, but yeah nothing much more devastating than he was before. Maybe because the jungle made him easier to play in there? I dunno. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On February 26 2016 04:49 M2 wrote: yeah we all know the scheme, but panth is like that like forever, not much changed now and have you ever heard someone complaining about him for the last 2 years? I would understand slight nerfs just for the luls but kicking him out of the game is really weird Not to mention the proposed Renekton buffs on the same cycle fly in the face of this logic. I've been enjoying romanium's build a lot lately and the thought of building 12+ rage when you e towards your target is Delicious | ||
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Bearded Elder29905 Posts
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Prog
United Kingdom1470 Posts
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dsyxelic
United States1417 Posts
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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dsyxelic
United States1417 Posts
he generally does the worst against tanks that can safely farm up and scale up to be a more useful frontliner but panth has more time than ever to make plays elsewhere. he also doesn't fall off as hard/quickly as he used to before. itemization is way better now for him and teams are squishier. games are shorter. there are very few lanes where he actually outright 'loses'. pantheon has tons of options even in bad lanes. http://www.op.gg/statistics/champion/ hes topping the charts in pretty much every elo in korea similar in NA yes hes not very good at the highest pro level but in soloq he is very strong right now. play rate has basically tripled since 6.1,6.2 but his winrate is still extremely high. a strong laner + carry champ + low skill floor + extremely high winrate across all elos hardly means he is shit lol. the only knock against him is that he's not good in competitive or organized play but this is clearly not a nerf due to that. you're sleeping on him if you think he is shit. whether he needs a nerf or not is debatable (I personally think its ok to but I can see why one would think otherwise) but he is objectively not shit right now. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Hell you could go lulu/kayle die 4 times in lane and then just group as 5 mid and make him irrelevant. As naut when you get 6 he literally dies every time you have your ult up if he walks in the mid of the lane lol. Honestly I think he loses to every single tank top laner in the game. Pantheon is just a classic "I don't actually know what this champion does" type of champ that gets good winrate just cuz the average soloq player can't open up wikipedia. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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