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On August 10 2015 06:34 Goumindong wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2015 05:52 Ansibled wrote:On August 10 2015 05:51 Goumindong wrote:On August 09 2015 15:57 cLutZ wrote:On August 09 2015 15:12 GolemMadness wrote:
According to Champion.gg, Heimer now has the highest win rate in the game at two positions. He has the highest win rate in mid by 3.12% and the highest win rate at top by .97%. Pretty crazy stuff. You should tell gouindomgngngbngbn. He will pretend Heimer is a great competitive champ. What is your problem? You keep telling everyone Viktor is bad when he is a tier1 pick and arguably the best mid laner on the patch. No. I keep telling everyone that Viktor is Ok when he is clearly not near the best mid laner on the patch because making such a statement is ridiculous when he doesn't perform better than other mid laners on the patch. (Indeed when he performs generally worse). And when all the arguments that he is strong are "well I saw him carry once"
He is quite clearly "near" the best midlaner. You are just in denial. Much like the people who say that old Viktor was better (which might also be a camp that you are in, I forget).
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On August 10 2015 07:15 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2015 06:34 Goumindong wrote:On August 10 2015 05:52 Ansibled wrote:On August 10 2015 05:51 Goumindong wrote:On August 09 2015 15:57 cLutZ wrote:On August 09 2015 15:12 GolemMadness wrote:
According to Champion.gg, Heimer now has the highest win rate in the game at two positions. He has the highest win rate in mid by 3.12% and the highest win rate at top by .97%. Pretty crazy stuff. You should tell gouindomgngngbngbn. He will pretend Heimer is a great competitive champ. What is your problem? You keep telling everyone Viktor is bad when he is a tier1 pick and arguably the best mid laner on the patch. No. I keep telling everyone that Viktor is Ok when he is clearly not near the best mid laner on the patch because making such a statement is ridiculous when he doesn't perform better than other mid laners on the patch. (Indeed when he performs generally worse). And when all the arguments that he is strong are "well I saw him carry once" He is quite clearly "near" the best midlaner. You are just in denial. Much like the people who say that old Viktor was better (which might also be a camp that you are in, I forget).
Well no he isn't quite clearly "near" the best mid laner. There are something like 5 mid laners with high pick counts and better win rates. There are basically no mid laners with high pick counts and a worse win rate.
And correct me if I am wrong, but winning is what matters. Maybe it's not maybe you advance to the next round by losing.
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Your argument is, essentially, that Zilean was a bad champion during S4 Worlds.
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LeBlanc and Zed having sub 50% winrates where they were the most OP sentinent thing inside the Rift, what do you think of that?
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Clearly only one champion decides if a team wins or not and he is the mid laner.Not who picks him/vs what/in what teamcomp.
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inb4 santaorin gets benched for stealing bjergsen's lantern.
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On August 10 2015 07:23 JJMC wrote:
LeBlanc and Zed having sub 50% winrates where they were the most OP sentinent thing inside the Rift, what do you think of that?
LB and Zed did not have <50% competitive win rates. They were indeed weak in soloqueue but strong in competitive. It's entirely possible to have both.
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On August 10 2015 07:22 cLutZ wrote:
Your argument is, essentially, that Zilean was a bad champion during S4 Worlds.
If zilean was picked 100 times in worlds and had a sub 50% win rate it's easy to make that call. High variance situations lower the ability to make a determination like this but Viktors power in pro play is not a high variance situation
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Viktor has a greater than 50% winrate competitively in both China and Korea.
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RekSai, Corki, and Gragas are all around Viktor's contested rate in LCK and are below 50% winrate. The same is true in LPL plus Alistar.
To compare, Leblanc was 40% winrate in LPL Spring and they dont seem to have LCK.
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I looked at statistics for S5 rather than just Summer.
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On August 10 2015 09:33 Ansibled wrote:I looked at statistics for S5 rather than just Summer.
Should be very close to dead even for all of s5 including playoffs. Part of that is that his early adoption tended to be biased towards better teams (GE/Faker being basically the only ones who picked him in Korea in the spring for example)
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Viktor has always been secret TL op strat and therefore is best mid lander. Just like how Nasus is best support cassio is best adc nasus again is best jungle and teemo is best top. All known only to the Teamliquid faithful.
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All the arguments you are making are equally true for Gragas, the top jungler of S5 summer by a hefty margin.
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On August 10 2015 09:55 cLutZ wrote:All the arguments you are making are equally true for Gragas, the top jungler of S5 summer by a hefty margin.
Gragas is dead 50% tied with Reksai with no higher junglers. Jungle basically just went those two against each other every game (until the Elise patch) so no it's not the same.
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Gragas is below 50% tied with Viktor at 48% in LPL and below Viktor at 47% in LCK. Additionally in LCK both Gragas AND Rek Sai are below 50%.
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On August 10 2015 09:37 Goumindong wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2015 09:33 Ansibled wrote:I looked at statistics for S5 rather than just Summer. Should be very close to dead even for all of s5 including playoffs. Part of that is that his early adoption tended to be biased towards better teams (GE/Faker being basically the only ones who picked him in Korea in the spring for example)
Doesn't it get tiring to consistently move goalposts?
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On August 10 2015 10:44 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2015 09:37 Goumindong wrote:On August 10 2015 09:33 Ansibled wrote:I looked at statistics for S5 rather than just Summer. Should be very close to dead even for all of s5 including playoffs. Part of that is that his early adoption tended to be biased towards better teams (GE/Faker being basically the only ones who picked him in Korea in the spring for example) Doesn't it get tiring to consistently move goalposts?
I am not and have not ever shifted goalposts. I mean you all keep doing so it can be hard to keep up with whatever insane claim you're making today but no I aused the same set of numbers each time, picked them irrespective of their value at the time and picked the most relevant statistics.
I just don't understand why you guys think he is so strong. Do you not understand the champion of something?
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On August 10 2015 11:04 Goumindong wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2015 10:44 Gahlo wrote:On August 10 2015 09:37 Goumindong wrote:On August 10 2015 09:33 Ansibled wrote:I looked at statistics for S5 rather than just Summer. Should be very close to dead even for all of s5 including playoffs. Part of that is that his early adoption tended to be biased towards better teams (GE/Faker being basically the only ones who picked him in Korea in the spring for example) Doesn't it get tiring to consistently move goalposts? I am not and have not ever shifted goalposts. I mean you all keep doing so it can be hard to keep up with whatever insane claim you're making today but no I aused the same set of numbers each time, picked them irrespective of their value at the time and picked the most relevant statistics. I just don't understand why you guys think he is so strong. Do you not understand the champion of something?
You apparently don't. Why do you think he isn't strong, and who are the mids you would rank ahead of him?
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EPT
