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Caiada
Profile Joined January 2015
United States3052 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-31 16:34:42
July 31 2015 16:32 GMT
#661
Brokenshard thinks Sivir fell off. Iunno why the fuck I'd listen to him.

Blunt example, but honestly, I have absolutely zero faith in Western analytical staff outside of Deilor.

On August 01 2015 01:06 crate wrote:
Viktor stats in LCK suggest he's fine to good. SKT and KOO pick Viktor a ton, and are 14-1 (compared to 52-17 overall). The other four good teams pick Viktor quite a bit and are 16-15 (compared to 86-62 overall). The bottom four teams pick Viktor quite a bit, and are a combined 5-25 with Viktor (compared to 42-100 overall). So for the top 6 teams Viktor is fine (even if you exclude SKT and KOO he's not bad), for the bottom 4 he's actually worse than their performance with other mids.

Note that I'm going by the statistics displayed on the individual player pages on lol.esportspedia; these numbers seem to disagree with the Viktor stats on the Statistics page for the LCK summer split as a whole (which is partly why Viktor looks so bad if you look there). I'm too lazy to check for sure which is correct (I'm not looking through 175 total games), but I think the player pages are right and the overall statistics page is wrong. The player pages have Viktor at 35-41, not 25-48.

Also it doesn't seem to include last night's games at least, but that should be ok; arbitrary endpoints are arbitrary anyway.

edit: Also Viktor has only lost one more game than he's won in LPL, by the same method. 31-32 overall.

edit2: This site http://www.gamesoflegends.com/tournament/stats.php?id=LPL Summer 2015 agrees with the player page numbers from lol.esportspedia, so I think the overall statistics pages are just wrong for Viktor, somehow. ~50% winrate in both LPL and LCK, not the silly 30% numbers that lol.esportspedia tries to claim. Faulty data!


oracleselixir.com is pretty much the premiere statistics site right now and has him at 39% excluding LPL.
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crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-31 17:31:37
July 31 2015 17:16 GMT
#662
Excluding LPL is bad, and oracleselixir doesn't let me do a lot of things that I want (it seems good if all you want is aggregate data across all leagues, but for a few reasons I would suggest that that is not ideal). This gamesoflegends site seems pretty good, assuming its data is good (which as far as I can tell it is).

Viktor's stats seem about what I would expect if you think he's strong in LPL/LCK, for a few reasons.

1) In NA, the bad teams picked Viktor a lot more than the good teams. TL played Viktor twice; CLG, GV, and TiP didn't play Viktor at all; Dig played Viktor once; and TSM three times. So, the non-playoff teams (and NA's non-playoff teams had really bad records this split) played Viktor a lot more. You can argue about whether Viktor caused the losses also, of course (perhaps the bad teams were bad because they played Viktor), but given that he's good in the two best leagues in the world (and also in LMS based on the stats I could find) I would suggest that it's not a problem with the champion being bad per se. It does support Viktor being bad in LCS, though.

(The EU picks are less skewed in this fashion; I would suggest that the "true" NA winrate of Viktor is similar to the "true" EU winrate for Viktor, though figuring out how to properly regress LoL winrates is something I do not want to spend time on right now.)

2) This is admittedly not based on data I have at hand (unfortunately it's really obnoxious to try to gather this data, since afaik you'd have to do it manually, and I'm pretty sure no one has tracked this) but anecdotally it seems that LPL and LCK mids roam around the map more often earlier in the game than LCS mids, and that's where a lot of Viktor's power comes from.

If you're just trying to suggest that Viktor is bad in the LCS, I'd believe that and agree; I don't think the teams in LCS leverage his strengths very well in general (and the teams agree that he's not great in LCS; he's rarely banned and not highly contested). But I think he's a pretty strong pick if you can do so. The fact that he's at near 50% winrate and highly contested in both LPL and LCK suggests that he's not weak in LCK and LPL.

edit: also I should probably explicitly state that I assume that LPL and LCK are overall stronger than either EU or NA LCS.
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justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
July 31 2015 17:58 GMT
#663
omfg the act3 black market TF route, i seriously need to get 15 lv3 minion? thats like 15 games zzzzz
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
July 31 2015 18:02 GMT
#664
What exactly do you get for all this nonsense you're doing?

Because if it's anything less than a free champion/skin I don't know what compels you to such madness.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
July 31 2015 18:04 GMT
#665
On August 01 2015 02:58 justiceknight wrote:
omfg the act3 black market TF route, i seriously need to get 15 lv3 minion? thats like 15 games zzzzz

Good thing it's the worst TF summoner icon out of the event. Playing 4 ARAM games was hard enough.
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TheHumanSensation
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1210 Posts
July 31 2015 18:05 GMT
#666
Free mediocre icons.
Caiada
Profile Joined January 2015
United States3052 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-31 18:14:48
July 31 2015 18:12 GMT
#667
The icons are alright. GP's is lame as fuck though. I'm holding out hope for something decent in the wrapup once the shenanigans are over.
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Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
July 31 2015 18:16 GMT
#668
On August 01 2015 01:22 Sufficiency wrote:
Wickd is saying GP is enabled for CS but he is currently disabled for Live, lol.

Seriously one of the strangest decisions Riot have made.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
July 31 2015 18:21 GMT
#669
On August 01 2015 03:16 Ansibled wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2015 01:22 Sufficiency wrote:
Wickd is saying GP is enabled for CS but he is currently disabled for Live, lol.

Seriously one of the strangest decisions Riot have made.

There's already a very apt meme in response to this decision.
And yeah, it's by far the dumbest thing Riot's done this year.
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
July 31 2015 18:22 GMT
#670
On August 01 2015 03:16 Ansibled wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2015 01:22 Sufficiency wrote:
Wickd is saying GP is enabled for CS but he is currently disabled for Live, lol.

Seriously one of the strangest decisions Riot have made.


Whoa there, there have been a LOT of strange decisions over the years. Don't know if this ranks in top 5.

Anyway I'm looking at top/support laners to buy as I think I have enough mid/adc/jgl that work alright in ranked. Top so far has been Shen ,Yorick(I know lol) or Irelia and Support I just Janna or Annie if Janna is gone.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
July 31 2015 18:29 GMT
#671
On August 01 2015 03:22 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2015 03:16 Ansibled wrote:
On August 01 2015 01:22 Sufficiency wrote:
Wickd is saying GP is enabled for CS but he is currently disabled for Live, lol.

Seriously one of the strangest decisions Riot have made.


Whoa there, there have been a LOT of strange decisions over the years. Don't know if this ranks in top 5.

Anyway I'm looking at top/support laners to buy as I think I have enough mid/adc/jgl that work alright in ranked. Top so far has been Shen ,Yorick(I know lol) or Irelia and Support I just Janna or Annie if Janna is gone.

what is your ping?
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
July 31 2015 18:30 GMT
#672
180-220 on a good day. So I don't really play twitchy stuff. Think most "twitchy" i played was Zed back in S2(or S3?) and now Ahri but she's not really twitchy.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
July 31 2015 18:34 GMT
#673
Damn that makes it hard to say xD.I guess for top vlad/maokai/naut should be decent and for supp soraka/braum/naut/shen.
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
July 31 2015 18:40 GMT
#674
Play morg. Even if you don't black shield on reaction you can still use it as a threat or pre-emptively.
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
July 31 2015 18:42 GMT
#675
I forgot I owned morg! I shall add her to the list. Vlad is someone I've always been keen on but never know if he's good enough to warrant spending that juicy IP. Yorick used to be my S2 blind pick if I was scared, that fucker still seems to shit on noobs lol.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
July 31 2015 18:44 GMT
#676
Don't think morg is good with 200 ping on supp but can work in top/mid.Especially now with how the coin start with not getting w at all is so popular(and much better honestly) she just sucks in lane too much.Black shield when not used on reaction is kind of a shitty ability honestly.Best bet would be naut cuz he takes 0 skill and his q is very easy to land.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
July 31 2015 19:00 GMT
#677
Well for top laners there's always Swain as an option as demonstrated by Quas. Naut for both top and support is also a decent option.

Oh right for top there's also maokai, can't go wrong with maokai top
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Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
July 31 2015 19:00 GMT
#678
On August 01 2015 03:22 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2015 03:16 Ansibled wrote:
On August 01 2015 01:22 Sufficiency wrote:
Wickd is saying GP is enabled for CS but he is currently disabled for Live, lol.

Seriously one of the strangest decisions Riot have made.


Whoa there, there have been a LOT of strange decisions over the years. Don't know if this ranks in top 5.

Anyway I'm looking at top/support laners to buy as I think I have enough mid/adc/jgl that work alright in ranked. Top so far has been Shen ,Yorick(I know lol) or Irelia and Support I just Janna or Annie if Janna is gone.

If you dont main support just play Blitz. If you want to be a bit more spicy you can buy Lulu since she can go both top or support - just remember you need to spam /laugh with her.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
July 31 2015 19:08 GMT
#679
So China gets to keep GP but with only the spooky skin available, idk why riot doesn't just do that.
https://i.imgur.com/xMuNbaR.jpg
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Caiada
Profile Joined January 2015
United States3052 Posts
July 31 2015 19:12 GMT
#680
Probably because "Buy this skin to play this champ!" is a bad look.
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