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AsianEcksDragon
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1036 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-28 00:27:00
July 28 2015 00:04 GMT
#461
I've been testing out Orianna with Nashor recently and I can't believe how much single target damage she is able to do. Her AA actually deals more single target damage than her Q by the second hit. I think I'm gonna try running Mana regen runes and just build nashor instead of Tear/Athene's/Morello. The burst is just as strong too because Nashor now grants 80 AP.
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sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-28 00:20:36
July 28 2015 00:20 GMT
#462
On July 28 2015 09:04 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
I've been testing witting out Orianna with Nashor recently and I can't believe how much single target damage she is able to do. Her AA actually deals more single target damage than her Q by the second hit. I think I'm gonna try running Mana regen runes and just build nashor instead of Tear/Athene's/Morello. The burst is just as strong too because Nashor now grants 80 AP.


numbers do not support your statement
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AsianEcksDragon
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1036 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-28 00:36:12
July 28 2015 00:33 GMT
#463
Actually you're right. The second hit doesn't deal more damage than Q. It ramps up to a max of about 70% of Q's damage. DPS wise however....

With 600 AP, I was dealing 350+ magic damage. If you include her base physical damage, it gets pretty close.
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Caiada
Profile Joined January 2015
United States3052 Posts
July 28 2015 01:20 GMT
#464
The problem with Nashor's (and Lichbane) is that you've got 525 AA range as an immobile caster. It's theoretically plenty of sustained damage, but that just fills a role she doesn't care about when most of her value is in quick QWR combos lategame. She's also way too mana hungry to get enough from runes/masteries, and, especially this patch, has a ton of much more useful items to get.
XDG Mata
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-28 01:29:56
July 28 2015 01:29 GMT
#465
Yeah you don't pick Orianna for damage.

If you want a sustained damage mage play Azir. Or Cassiopeia, or whatever the fuck people play now.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-28 02:30:33
July 28 2015 02:26 GMT
#466
https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/3eugn7/crumbzz_on_twitter_forced_to_spam_normals_to_get/
inb4 they release game changing patch just before worlds
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
July 28 2015 02:35 GMT
#467
I don't see why they wouldn't push it during the next preseason. It's not like the spectator UI is different, is it?

"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-28 02:44:45
July 28 2015 02:43 GMT
#468
On July 28 2015 11:26 kongoline wrote:
https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/3eugn7/crumbzz_on_twitter_forced_to_spam_normals_to_get/
inb4 they release game changing patch just before worlds

it's not worlds unless zed and corki are contested picks
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
July 28 2015 02:55 GMT
#469
are you not used to riot yet?

do something useless- people complain - make LCS use it - people see their idols use useless thing- useless thing is now the new hot thing
TheHumanSensation
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1210 Posts
July 28 2015 02:56 GMT
#470
On July 28 2015 11:55 LaNague wrote:
are you not used to riot yet?

do something useless- people complain - make LCS use it - people see their idols use useless thing- useless thing is now the new hot thing


But old viktor was better, we swear!
Caiada
Profile Joined January 2015
United States3052 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-28 03:01:30
July 28 2015 02:58 GMT
#471
I remember when people thought a less reliable E meant Viktor would be bad.

Heh.

Also, I don't really like the trend of broad generalizations and/or memes as arguments.

Rush is playing Devourer Shaco. Got carried so hard.....
XDG Mata
AsianEcksDragon
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1036 Posts
July 28 2015 02:59 GMT
#472
On July 28 2015 10:29 Ketara wrote:
Yeah you don't pick Orianna for damage.

If you want a sustained damage mage play Azir. Or Cassiopeia, or whatever the fuck people play now.


Not every game is OGN championship split. I like to keep an open mind and test new things. Rather than learn new champions that I am no familiar with nor interested in, I'd rather discover new ways to play one that I enjoy playing.

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Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-28 03:13:33
July 28 2015 03:10 GMT
#473
On July 27 2015 23:06 Numy wrote:
What? I'd love for ADC not to be mandatory either. The whole setup with LoL feels so miff. Would love junglers to not be required either.

ADCs should always be "required" because they provide an end game and structure to team fights.

The only other options are that consistent damage APs can do enough to negate the single damage type problem or you make ability focused ADs (which already exist in the meta by way of Varus and Ez). Which seems bad because then why have armor/mr at all?

The move away from ADCs would actually reduce variation because the remaining options represent fewer reasonable team compositions.

ADs also provide an answer to the problem of turrets and late game they force that someone will win.

Also keep in mind that it's not as if bruiser duo lanes are bad, it's just that they have to be active and win lane in order to win the game. This will almost never happen on a competitive level without buffing that makes other champions obsolete.

On July 28 2015 04:47 krndandaman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2015 00:38 Jek wrote:
Zeke's remake is so stupid, the last 5 games I've played have been decided entirely on which side's support got it first regardless of how the botlane was going before. Starting to consider just delaying Sightstone and tell my adc to help with warding botlane until I finish Zeke's.

While it's fun to suddenly have the largest powerspike as support the item is just too stupid.


idk I saw someone do some math and apparently ardent censer was better? especially earlier on.
zeke's gets pretty good lategame though since you essentially get near 100% crit for your adc.


Math was far from correct(it overstated the effect of the AS boost, thinking it was a flat 15% dps increase rather than how it interacts with the fact that you will have some 100-130% bonus AS at that point in the game) and neglected to mention just how far ahead zekes was (far enough that a duo with censor was super dead already) or how zekes scales into the 4 and 5 item timings much much better.

Edit: my math suggests that at that point in the game censor is worth about 13% DPS increase and this falls off as the game goes later and zekes is 29.5% from there until your AD buys a second PD
On July 28 2015 11:56 TheHumanSensation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2015 11:55 LaNague wrote:
are you not used to riot yet?

do something useless- people complain - make LCS use it - people see their idols use useless thing- useless thing is now the new hot thing


But old viktor was better, we swear!

Old viktor was better. He had a stronger laning phase and an earlier and more powerful power spike.

What happened was that

1) assassins got nerfed

2) every other meta mid lane with wave clear like ziggs and xerath etc got nerfed into the ground. This made viktor both incredibly safe in lane but it also meant that there didn't exist any other team fighting mids who could also hard clear waves and stall the game.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-28 09:11:50
July 28 2015 09:08 GMT
#474
There was a decent video on Nashor's Orianna here.


I think the Nashor's build probably does more damage thatn traditional builds. But in my experience trying Nashor's on AP Ezreal, it left you really vulnerable. Even with all of Ezreal's aspd scaling and escapes, putting himself in a vulnerable position to autoattack left him too open. I'm of the opinion that the standard AP builds that ignore Nashors are better for AP mids not Kayle or Teemo. Or at the least, I'd skip Runeglaive if I went mid.
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
July 28 2015 09:12 GMT
#475
Nashors Diana is fun and never feels weak. I havent done the math though.
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kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
July 28 2015 09:15 GMT
#476
isnt it better to buy lichbane on diana tho?
a1 Sovereign
Profile Joined January 2015
Bulgaria67 Posts
July 28 2015 10:04 GMT
#477
I've been trying Nashors, W max Azir these days. Soldiers have incredible DPS and you don't consume as much mana as with the regular build, so you are free to skip the mana regen item and go full damage.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
July 28 2015 10:55 GMT
#478
Also you can't really siege towers if you play a bruiser in lieu of a ranged AD carry. Sure, someone like Cassiopeia is going to hit towers for a bunch because of all her AP, and you have champions like Nasus, Rengar, Zed, Talon who truck them. But you still need to get in range and the easier way to do that is usually to fight and route the enemy team, and once that's done it doesn't matter for the tower whether you're ranged or melee.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-28 11:14:50
July 28 2015 11:14 GMT
#479
That video is dumb because it's looking at Nashors+Runeglaive vs. Zhonya+Athenes. Zhonya and Athenes have a lot of stats in defense while Nashors+Runeglaive are pure offensive items. Of course the first build is going to outdamage the second one.

A much more fair comparison would be Void+Athenes or Lich Bane+Athenes or Runeglaive+Athenes or something like that.

From looking at that my conclusion is basically that Runeglaive is a stupid item, not that Nashors is good on Orianna.


http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
July 28 2015 12:47 GMT
#480
On July 28 2015 11:56 TheHumanSensation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2015 11:55 LaNague wrote:
are you not used to riot yet?

do something useless- people complain - make LCS use it - people see their idols use useless thing- useless thing is now the new hot thing


But old viktor was better, we swear!

Old Karma was better. RIP.
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