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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On June 30 2015 04:18 Goumindong wrote: Unless you need regen to power your heals for a siege... Which is only relevant for like 1/4 of pro teams, and its at least ten times as relevant for those than for disorganized play. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
You have to be extremely desperate to justify warmog due to survivability concerns.... like Vi + Malpite + Yasuo or something cheesy like that. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Soraka really doesn't need a warmog.Especially now with very few assassins if you manage to die as soraka you just failed at positioning. | ||
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TheHumanSensation
Canada1210 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
with warmogs and no ap you're healing 240 for a cost of 250. With buying pure AP instead (nlr+blasting 120 ap) you're healing 312 for a cost of 170, nearly double the efficiency, the hp cost of 170 is just a bit less than a biscuit gives you 40% cdr increases your healing throughput by 66.7% which is effectively 267 ap in terms of pure W healing. Much less counting R and only Q and E ratios for a boost, but since 40% cdr is budget equal to about 80AP in terms of spamming someone to stay alive cdr is the best stat. CDR becomes better as you buy AP as well because its a % increase on total healing. also i forgot to mention starcall healing is really good if you can hit the skillshots and also scales better with resists/cdr/ap/spirit visage than hp. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On June 30 2015 06:38 Kinie wrote: So there's PBE buffs to Runeglaive right now, like what? Riot, we aren't picking the AP junglers because Runeglaive is underpowered, its cause the junglers are underpowered. It's because most of the good AP items are stuck behind a 1600g wall and early AP diversity is garbage for junglers. That, imo, is worse than the junglers being undertuned. lol at those changes, Runeglaive is going to be OP as fuck and AP Ez first P/B. | ||
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ZataN
New Zealand414 Posts
On June 30 2015 06:38 Kinie wrote: So there's PBE buffs to Runeglaive right now, like what? Riot, we aren't picking the AP junglers because Runeglaive is underpowered, its cause the junglers are underpowered. I do believe a bunch of pros/people in the know think Runeglaive is underpowered. But I think they should've left it for a while longer to see how it develops TBH. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
I dislike flask because I rarely run oom but I might just be flat out wrong on that one. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On June 30 2015 06:47 ZataN wrote: I do believe a bunch of pros/people in the know think Runeglaive is underpowered. But I think they should've left it for a while longer to see how it develops TBH. And a lot of that feeling is because it has a lower AP ratio, which isn't actually an issue. AP jungle itemization is ass. Want to go tank? Ruby Crystal/Cloth Armor/Null-Magic all come at a very convenient price point and build into everything. What is the most expensive component/component upgrade for tanks? The 600g to go from Ruby to Belt or Bami's. What about AD? Long sword builds into pretty much everything you need as a jungler. At no time do you ever want to build a BF sword. Cutlass is easy to build, Phage is easy to build, Tiamat is alright(Pickaxe) but not awful. Hexdrinker is easy. Last whisper has the same minor issue as Tiamat. But what about AP? Aether Wisp is easy, but you don't want to build LB anymore and Ludens has a NLR in it. Rylai's? That's a niche item right now and hardly fits the Health/AP+Utility design in the same effect that Cleaver does for AD. Codex? You don't want Athenes, Banner, or FQC. Morello's might be an interesting option. Nashor's is probably overreaching on autoing in fights. Twin Shadows might fix some issues, but your itemization probably needs more umph than the active solves. lel WotA. Armguard is nice, but the only item it builds into on SR has a NLR. Guise? Liandry's is pretty bad. Revolver? lel WotA. Lastly, Void Staff is a build caper, not a founding item. The AP sweep may help a bit, but even then NLR will still be 1200g. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
I usually build spellthief -> flask on Soraka to really try and win lane. I play her super aggressively. Have to check what I do with my masteries, but rune page is 2AP quint/1MS, mostly mpen with two hybrids thrown in, flat armor, scaling MR. EDIT: Also I have Soraka as my avatar, so I can say "am Soraka, can confirm". | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On June 30 2015 07:09 ticklishmusic wrote: The two points, disregarding whatever math you want to do, is that Soraka is a (usually) gold-starved support who wants resists. Taking an item without resists or some sort of immediate, relevant combat stats is bad. I guess mobis get a pass because you need to vroom vroom. Flask is good too. Frozen Heart and Spirit Visage are both similar in price to Warmogs and work way better on Soraka. The "I don't have enough gold to buy this but it is my level 18 fantasy Riot please" item is probably Zhonyas. As to the earlier statement of Warmogs being bad "but its on probuilds a lot!", I'd say it's probably one of the biggest if not the biggest case of an item pro players buy that they shouldn't. Give me some example games from probuilds and I'll tell you what should have been bought instead, it'll be fun. Hint: It's almost always going to be Face of the Mountain. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
In an ideal situation on SR, I feel like I would want to get FoTM/Frozen Heart/Spirit Visage/Mobi Boots/Ruby Sightstone/Zhonyas for a full item build as support Raka, but that might be wrong. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On June 30 2015 09:30 Alaric wrote: To be fair, Soraka does need some HP to not straight-up die to an AoE initiation (or the follow-up if you need to get in range of an ally initiated upon that the enemy team will swarm, you don't have a Lantern), and HP > resists in terms of EHP early on and on squishies, but not to the extent of Warmogs. She gets HP from Sightstone and Spirit Visage. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On June 30 2015 09:30 Alaric wrote: To be fair, Soraka does need some HP to not straight-up die to an AoE initiation (or the follow-up if you need to get in range of an ally initiated upon that the enemy team will swarm, you don't have a Lantern), and HP > resists in terms of EHP early on and on squishies, but not to the extent of Warmogs. How is there "early on" when we're talking support itemization and a big ticket item post Tier3/Sightstone/Boots? The early game should be over by that point. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On June 30 2015 03:09 ticklishmusic wrote: Raka favors resists, but you want a decent HP pool as well because her base is pretty crap. FH + BV/SV is probably the best two item defense combo for her IMO. On June 30 2015 09:06 Ketara wrote: Frozen Heart and Spirit Visage are both similar in price to Warmogs and work way better on Soraka. The "I don't have enough gold to buy this but it is my level 18 fantasy Riot please" item is probably Zhonyas. As to the earlier statement of Warmogs being bad "but its on probuilds a lot!", I'd say it's probably one of the biggest if not the biggest case of an item pro players buy that they shouldn't. Give me some example games from probuilds and I'll tell you what should have been bought instead, it'll be fun. Hint: It's almost always going to be Face of the Mountain. Precisely what I said  For an AP item, I'd recommend Abyssal. | ||
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