EPTMisfits poach attempt at Liquid.Quas - Page 3
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XenOsky
Chile2270 Posts
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
At this point NA LoL teams are basically pathological liars. I don't get why anyone still takes what owners/managers/players say at face value when time and time again they been burnt. Bjergsen is totally not going to TSM guys, better attack the journalist that said that! In this case even if everything Liquid says Misfits did is true they still full of shit lol. | ||
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EsanLOL
479 Posts
On May 18 2015 22:27 Fusilero wrote: So kez backs his boy, I wonder if otter or nydushermain will chime in now. Otter seemed to think it was funny when I tweeted about it  | ||
nimdil
Poland3748 Posts
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Vomitcore
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AmstAff
Germany949 Posts
Can someone explain me now the problem? | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On May 19 2015 07:50 AmstAff wrote: I don't understand the poaching rule. If a team wants a player and the player is happy with his current team he won't leave. if the offer he gets is better and he may think about leaing he will contact his current team on his own and they can decide to make a better offer on their own. the only problem I can see for the current team is if he gets a better offer and the current team doesn't want to give him a better offer. This way he will leave as soon as the contracts end or if he gets bought out of his current contract. Still they don't lose anything cause he will either stay until the contracts end or they will get a compensation. Can someone explain me now the problem? Riot contracts are pretty much set up in way that you can't talk with any player under contract before window in the end of year, unless team agrees on it, because only GM can make trades. Every contract is season-long, from ~January to November. | ||
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AmstAff
Germany949 Posts
On May 19 2015 08:14 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: Riot contracts are pretty much set up in way that you can't talk with any player under contract before window in the end of year, unless team agrees on it, because only GM can make trades. Every contract is season-long, from ~January to November. Yeah but afaik this only applies to LCS-Teams (if I understood it right by the reddit thread) and still I don't get why it is handled that way. It doesn't make sense for me =( | ||
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Saradin
456 Posts
Primarily, to not give a team an edge ahead of others when the player hits free agency. The idea of free agency typically presumes that every suitor starts off evenly. Secondarily, there is the suspicion that a player performs at...less than his best for the team he's currently contracted to if he already has one foot out of the door, so to speak. (NBA example: Cavaliers' 2009-2010 playoff collapse right before LeBron James' departure to the Heat in free agency, which in itself is strongly suspected to have been orchestrated) | ||
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AmstAff
Germany949 Posts
It's a rule you will never be able to establish 100% and the losers are the fair teams. | ||
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Saradin
456 Posts
Such rules exist as a matter of principle; that in an ideal competitive environment, so and so shouldn't happen. In practice, yea, tampering goes on and only the idiots get caught. (yes, Georgey boy over at CLG qualifies as an idiot when it comes to getting caught on poaching twice last year) Alternative interpretation is that it's one of those 'don't be egregious about it' rules. You know, where everybody implicitly acknowledges that this happens, but agree to avoid being too blatant about it for appearance sake. Basically don't be a fool about it. Players typically don't underperform if they think that they're underpaid heading into free agency (assuming they don't already have something prearranged). It's usually the opposite (the so-called contract year phenomenon). They usually try as hard as possible to get the biggest contract they can get in free agency. After getting the big contract is when you run the risk of lesser performance due to the absence of external motivation. Although now that you mention it, the fact that salaries aren't publicly disclosed is an interesting development of this industry. After all, we're used to the years and money aspects of contracts being announced in traditional sports. I always figured that e-sports not having luxury tax or a salary cap to worry about played into it, but that might not necessarily be the cause. | ||
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Dratwka
United States3 Posts
Do you even know NCAA rules for off-season? Those players are not even allowed a salary and "poaching" will pretty much wreck a college students career. When you start off by saying he's the team's #1 player, whether it's a true statement or not, then what you're suggesting, in sports parlance, is the same as if the Warriors or Bucks contact Kobe directly thinking they don't have to talk to the Lakers about his contract, IN THE OFF-SEASON. The whole idea of it is absurb. But past that, the amount of time it takes, epecially in the NA LCS setting where, at best, you get a round-robin best of 1 game series to develop your talent and team synergy, the idea that it's easy to simply replace any talent, as talentless as NA Solo Q is and the fact that Team Liquid would HAVE to get an NA player due to the 3/2 rules and Quas being a "grandfathered" player is ridiculous. Whether you like it or not [http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2013/07/ncaa_transfer_rule_college_coaches_can_block_their_former_players_from_getting.html] these are standard practices in sports of every genre, and I'd like to compare Challenger teams to NCAA teams becasue that's the "normal" pro-sports farming system, and think the same rules should apply in eSports: "NCAA coaches have the power to block an athlete from getting a scholarship at an entirely different university... Coaches can block a player’s “permission to contact” for a number of dumb reasons—to prevent a former assistant coach from “poaching” talent, for one—or for no discernible reason at all.. Basketball and football coaches might not want to admit it, but college athletes have to pay a penalty for switching schools. Under most circumstances, Division I transfers in football, baseball, men’s ice hockey, and men’s and women’s basketball must sit out a year before they can play again. The NCAA claims this year-off requirement is a result of those sports being “historically academically underperforming.” In practice, that restriction helps suppress player movement in the highest-revenue sports, creating a more consistent, fan-friendly product and giving coaches a greater ability to control the inflow and outflow of talent..." In NCAA, the PLAYER cannot even PLAY for a year after transferring!! And considering a season split as if it's end of a year is like saying a player who practices year round but only actually competes in one seaon should be allowed to move teams between semesters and the team that originally spent the time & money teaching them in "practice" shouldn't get the "benefit" of it between "SEMESTERS". Sorry, whether you agree with it or not, sports is a business and the businessman, that includes colleges and PRO team owners will do what they can to "PROTECT" their investment. It's been this way for years. But if eSports fans cannot understand these concepts in sports, how on earth do you think anyone will EVER take eSports seriously as a SPORT? | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
Anyway generally how it works in Football(One of your "REAL SPORTS" lol) is that a player tells his Agent that they may want to look around for new clubs to play for. Through back channels and unions the Agent either sets up "meets" or spreads the word about this player. The agent will then set up meetings between the current club and the interested party. Technically this is all illegal but is either hushed up or overlooked for the most part unless people are making a stink about it. It's beneficial to the clubs to let this happen as they themselves use this method to obtain players. Ideally the rules should be changed to protect clubs and still help players but well Fifa took how long before they started trying out goal line technology? You really shouldn't come in here shouting around and insulting people just because you don't agree with them. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On May 22 2015 20:54 Numy wrote: I'm not really sure how your gender factors into this discussion. Seems like a meaningless piece of information. Secondly I don't know why you are talking about NCAA, they are pretty much one of the only organizations that can stand toe to toe with Fifa when it comes to being despicable human beings. Anyway generally how it works in Football(One of your "REAL SPORTS" lol) is that a player tells his Agent that they may want to look around for new clubs to play for. Through back channels and unions the Agent either sets up "meets" or spreads the word about this player. The agent will then set up meetings between the current club and the interested party. Technically this is all illegal but is either hushed up or overlooked for the most part unless people are making a stink about it. It's beneficial to the clubs to let this happen as they themselves use this method to obtain players. Ideally the rules should be changed to protect clubs and still help players but well Fifa took how long before they started trying out goal line technology? You really shouldn't come in here shouting around and insulting people just because you don't agree with them. Only females can understand that NCAA is sick good org and only thing being attention worthy, so because we can't find out why, clearly, we're not into business. That's why she went with Ryze pic, she's going to outstall us in that discussion. | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
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God Killer v2
United States434 Posts
On May 22 2015 21:34 Ansibled wrote: I don't even know what an NCAA is. American athletic organization known for basketball. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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nimdil
Poland3748 Posts
On May 22 2015 21:34 Ansibled wrote: I don't even know what an NCAA is. enjoy: + Show Spoiler + | ||
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