[Patch 5.7] More Executes General Discussion - Page 26

On April 15 2015 13:30 Gahlo wrote:

Keep it. If I'm hitting 6 items on ADC, I'm selling boots for a PD or Zephyr.

On April 15 2015 14:03 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Bard
Cosmic Binding (Q) cast range increased to 1000 from 950
Cosmic Binding (Q) missile speed increased to 1550 from 1500


Please, please stop buffing him. Please. We all know this will lead to disgusting overnerfs.

On April 15 2015 14:29 MidnightGladius wrote:
Could you elaborate? I'd like to pick him up but I'm hesitant, because I'm afraid that teams won't take me seriously. In my experience he's prompted more dodges than any other in champ select.

On April 15 2015 13:50 TheHumanSensation wrote:


Minor question - why do people recommend Zephyr instead of Triforce on an ADC as a 7th item? Assuming that it's not a "tri-force ADC", of course. Is it just the price-point?

On April 15 2015 14:55 Sonnington wrote:


It gives roughly as much out of combat move speed as boots 2.

On April 15 2015 15:04 asymptotech wrote:
Anyone who thinks Bard is weak is simply giving into the type of groupthink that plagues LoL. One of the absolute best examples of this is Urgot. Between 4.15 and 5.5, Urgot was never changed. In 5.5, he saw his shield get ~10% (more or less depending on the point of the game) better, and his ult lose 0/10/20s off the cooldown. That's it. Could Urgot have been a completely capable Zed counterpick four months ago instead of four weeks ago? Based on what everyone has now given witness to, it would be hard to argue otherwise. But you would have been laughed out of any discussion, including this forum, for suggesting as much. I'm not trying to argue that Bard is some hidden first pick/ban status (I know around these parts, every champ is either obvious op, hidden op, or trash), but he definitely is not bad.

Bard's R is just bonkers strong if it's wielded by someone with good aim. A good Bard means your team can engage whenever they damn well please. If they other team has that Vayne player that insists on running bot every time there is a wave and a half to farm, and your team has a single Malph/Vi/Mao/etc, you can start an advantageous fight from stupid distances. As the previous post said, his Q is often very easy to make use of in team fights...even more so if their team has champions that require running at you. Q also makes the fact opposing teams can take the journey kind of meaningless in small numbers. A single champ gets stunned because the Q can't miss the wall, and two champs just means the wall isn't needed.

Bard's biggest solo queue weakness is that W is kind of a pile of crap aside from giving your jungler the easiest level 1 they'll ever have and making the first two/three levels in bot slightly more forgiving if you're getting pushed. After that, it's entirely depending on your team making good use of them (ie: putting them behind your adc and having them actually kite over it). That's a lot harder to communicate and make work on the fly than "I'm ulting their team midlane, just go kill them."

On April 15 2015 14:03 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Also still no Bard icon on TL

On April 15 2015 15:11 Slusher wrote:
thats not a solo q specific weakness, his w is just straight up terrible, I don't even know why they thought a heal made sense in his kit but it sucks a fat dick because Riot hates heals

On April 15 2015 15:13 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:


Imagine if they gave it a flat heal and a missing hp heal and made the flat worse and the missing better as you ranked up heal

I mean it's a terrible balance idea but it'd be so much fun

On April 15 2015 15:04 asymptotech wrote:
Anyone who thinks Bard is weak is simply giving into the type of groupthink that plagues LoL. One of the absolute best examples of this is Urgot. Between 4.15 and 5.5, Urgot was never changed. In 5.5, he saw his shield get ~10% (more or less depending on the point of the game) better, and his ult lose 0/10/20s off the cooldown. That's it. Could Urgot have been a completely capable Zed counterpick four months ago instead of four weeks ago? Based on what everyone has now given witness to, it would be hard to argue otherwise. But you would have been laughed out of any discussion, including this forum, for suggesting as much. I'm not trying to argue that Bard is some hidden first pick/ban status (I know around these parts, every champ is either obvious op, hidden op, or trash), but he definitely is not bad.

Bard's R is just bonkers strong if it's wielded by someone with good aim. A good Bard means your team can engage whenever they damn well please. If they other team has that Vayne player that insists on running bot every time there is a wave and a half to farm, and your team has a single Malph/Vi/Mao/etc, you can start an advantageous fight from stupid distances. As the previous post said, his Q is often very easy to make use of in team fights...even more so if their team has champions that require running at you. Q also makes the fact opposing teams can take the journey kind of meaningless in small numbers. A single champ gets stunned because the Q can't miss the wall, and two champs just means the wall isn't needed.

Bard's biggest solo queue weakness is that W is kind of a pile of crap aside from giving your jungler the easiest level 1 they'll ever have and making the first two/three levels in bot slightly more forgiving if you're getting pushed. After that, it's entirely depending on your team making good use of them (ie: putting them behind your adc and having them actually kite over it). That's a lot harder to communicate and make work on the fly than "I'm ulting their team midlane, just go kill them."