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On February 11 2015 12:12 Sonnington wrote:
I must've only skimmed the Zilean rework quickly at first because I thought it was a net nerfing. 99% slow on his E for 2.5 seconds at max rank? 120-90-60 second cd on his ult without the use of W? That's pretty ridiculous.
Did you miss the doublebomb stun?
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That Greater Stealth Totem change is pretty huge imo, being able to ward twice when you first arrive somewhere important will be massive. Now if you use it to control some territory you will be in for a while, you get pretty good control right off the bat instead of having to set it up over time.
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All I wanted for Zilean was some kind of compensation for the nerf to his passive. On the PBE initially they gave him bonus AP at levels 6, 11 and 16. That probably would have sufficed. Guess I gotta play some Zilean support now while I still can.
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On February 11 2015 12:13 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2015 12:12 Sonnington wrote:
I must've only skimmed the Zilean rework quickly at first because I thought it was a net nerfing. 99% slow on his E for 2.5 seconds at max rank? 120-90-60 second cd on his ult without the use of W? That's pretty ridiculous. Did you miss the doublebomb stun?
Yeah, while it's good and everything I don't think it's Earth shattering. It's also a nerf to his base damage and AP scaling. Along with the bombs being skillshots and hence less reliable. His mid-late game damage was pretty low to begin with and now they're skillshots that can be dodged.
Look at this though, his ult at level 16 with 40% cdr will be on a 36 second cd. That's retarded.
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On February 11 2015 13:04 krndandaman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2015 13:01 Sonnington wrote:On February 11 2015 12:13 Gahlo wrote:On February 11 2015 12:12 Sonnington wrote:
I must've only skimmed the Zilean rework quickly at first because I thought it was a net nerfing. 99% slow on his E for 2.5 seconds at max rank? 120-90-60 second cd on his ult without the use of W? That's pretty ridiculous. Did you miss the doublebomb stun? Yeah, while it's good and everything I don't think it's Earth shattering. It's also a nerf to his base damage and AP scaling. Along with the bombs being skillshots and hence less reliable. His mid-late game damage was pretty low to begin with and now they're skillshots that can be dodged. Look at this though, his ult at level 16 with 40% cdr will be on a 36 second cd. That's retarded. it was lower before though with w spam.
Really, what's the cd on it now?
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On February 11 2015 13:11 Sonnington wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2015 13:04 krndandaman wrote:On February 11 2015 13:01 Sonnington wrote:On February 11 2015 12:13 Gahlo wrote:On February 11 2015 12:12 Sonnington wrote:
I must've only skimmed the Zilean rework quickly at first because I thought it was a net nerfing. 99% slow on his E for 2.5 seconds at max rank? 120-90-60 second cd on his ult without the use of W? That's pretty ridiculous. Did you miss the doublebomb stun? Yeah, while it's good and everything I don't think it's Earth shattering. It's also a nerf to his base damage and AP scaling. Along with the bombs being skillshots and hence less reliable. His mid-late game damage was pretty low to begin with and now they're skillshots that can be dodged. Look at this though, his ult at level 16 with 40% cdr will be on a 36 second cd. That's retarded. it was lower before though with w spam. Really, what's the cd on it now?
If we assume level 18 and 40% CDR, the base CD comes down to 108. If we further assume that Zilean can RW near instantaneously it drops to 98seconds. Since W's CD is 3.6 seconds, every 18 seconds that goes by removes 50 seconds through 5 W casts. After 18 seconds we whittle off 68 seconds, leaving us with 30 seconds left. In 7.2 seconds, 20 more seconds is removed, dropping the remaining cooldown to 2.8 seconds left.
tl;dr - 28 seconds.
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On February 11 2015 10:39 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2015 10:36 cLutZ wrote:
Re: Obesechicken and Ahri's new mobility being nonsensical.
If you are/were designing Ahri as a mobility/kiting mage without a slow you would give her some sort of spammable cleanse that removes MS slows on like a 5 second cooldown. Otherwise its an exercise in futility because if you give her enough MS to be effective in teamfights she can walk to botlane in 3 seconds. Lucian was not toxic at all when redone.
I didn't say it was a great idea to give her a free cleanse. I am saying its necessary to create the kind of champion they are attempting to create.
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lol i just got pbe invite time to play dj sona lol
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You only need to be level 13 as Zilean to get around a 30 second cooldown on ult right now. With the rework the cooldown's over 20% longer and you need to be 3 levels higher to get it.
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Still not quite sure why they nerfed fiddle. Even when he was a solo queue terror with his old fear mechanic and length he was never competitively FotM. Still not sure why they're nerfing his lifesteal tether range. At this point they might as well completely rework him, because apparently everything in his kit is too toxic for them.
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On February 11 2015 14:05 wei2coolman wrote:
Still not quite sure why they nerfed fiddle. Even when he was a solo queue terror with his old fear mechanic and length he was never competitively FotM. Still not sure why they're nerfing his lifesteal tether range. At this point they might as well completely rework him, because apparently everything in his kit is too toxic for them.
What you should do is concurrent Reddit +Riot NA posts about how you predict this nerf will be followed by a rework. Then when it happens you get to look smart.
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On February 11 2015 13:34 eagle wrote:
lol i just got pbe invite time to play dj sona lol
I got a PBE invite but I'm already on the PBE. I don't recall ever having my PBE account deactivated either, even when they switched from the old system to the new one. Weeeeeiiirrrd.
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On February 11 2015 14:45 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2015 14:05 wei2coolman wrote:
Still not quite sure why they nerfed fiddle. Even when he was a solo queue terror with his old fear mechanic and length he was never competitively FotM. Still not sure why they're nerfing his lifesteal tether range. At this point they might as well completely rework him, because apparently everything in his kit is too toxic for them. What you should do is concurrent Reddit +Riot NA posts about how you predict this nerf will be followed by a rework. Then when it happens you get to look smart.
I mean, it's pretty obvious. They've recently hit every single one of his basic abilities, with the usual subtle rito doubletalk of "too toxic".
First it was his Q for having too long of a duration, and forcing characters to walk randomly.
Then it was the RNG mechanic of bouncing silences.
Then it was his passive for hitting too many people like abyssal passive, now it only works with previous targeted players.
Now it's the fucking tether range for his drain.
I mean, it's pretty obvious Rito hates everything in his fucking kit.
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On February 11 2015 14:05 wei2coolman wrote:
Still not quite sure why they nerfed fiddle. Even when he was a solo queue terror with his old fear mechanic and length he was never competitively FotM. Still not sure why they're nerfing his lifesteal tether range. At this point they might as well completely rework him, because apparently everything in his kit is too toxic for them.
Not surprising tbh, Fiddle is one of the better soloq junglers currently.
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Bearded Elder29905 Posts
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The thing that gets me the most about the Zilean update is the reduction in the AA range. So boring to have the same range everywhere.
Fiddle will probably be reworked at some point. He is pretty much a solo queue champion, outside of a few moments in the competitive sun.
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LOLOLOL. Just saw sneaky get demoted to Master league after winning a game while going 18-2 as vayne. LOL.
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
But it means that Yuno might get her chance in NACS.
Yay.
On February 11 2015 14:05 wei2coolman wrote:
Still not quite sure why they nerfed fiddle. Even when he was a solo queue terror with his old fear mechanic and length he was never competitively FotM. Still not sure why they're nerfing his lifesteal tether range. At this point they might as well completely rework him, because apparently everything in his kit is too toxic for them.
Fiddlesticks is Kassadin level anyway, while you have ult like that, you're playable in any condition.
Support Fiddle is love, jungle is too toxic.
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