EPT[Patch 5.2] RIP DFG General Discussion - Page 9
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On January 29 2015 06:25 nafta wrote: And then the katarina 1v5s cause fiddle used e/q :D. that was hilarious, i fell out of my chair laughing so hard. Real shame too, cuz he set the kat so far back in lane, like 70 cs down, and then now they're back in the game. rofl. Also, with the machete upgrade cost change, clearly Riot wanted to separate great junglers from good junglers. okay i'm convinced, nikkone is a god. 3 nlr jungle fiddle build. lol. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35144 Posts
On January 29 2015 06:26 wei2coolman wrote: that was hilarious, i fell out of my chair laughing so hard. Real shame too, cuz he set the kat so far back in lane, like 70 cs down, and then now they're back in the game. rofl. Also, with the machete upgrade cost change, clearly Riot wanted to separate great junglers from good junglers. okay i'm convinced, nikkone is a god. 3 nlr jungle fiddle build. lol. Oh no, now we have to clear the crab that doesn't fight back and takes extra damage when cc'd right after we get red buff! | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On January 29 2015 05:14 nafta wrote: It is alaric every post follows a formula.The champ that I play X has so many bugs and is so much inferior to Y. Was just mentioning why an item with ap and mr without the aura can be a desirable buy for a lot of champs. "Viktor can't really kill Kassadin under "normal" conditions, so I'd rather get Banshee's than Abyssal against him if I must get MR, I value surviving better over a bit more damage to him that won't matter that much." | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
yea just double checked, especially with the % health dot being moved to active only he's actually significantly worse at jungling than he was before, and before I'd have put him at "ok" | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On January 29 2015 06:35 Ketara wrote: How's new Tristana? From what I've seen, towers are falling like minions. Her walking animations are awful on the other hand. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On January 29 2015 07:35 Slusher wrote: It would be strictly worse unless I read the patch notes wrong, I mean you aren't going to ult jungle camps yea just double checked, especially with the % health dot being moved to active only he's actually significantly worse at jungling than he was before, and before I'd have put him at "ok" The % missing health is instant now instead of a DoT, so with attack speed runes the clear should be much faster. | ||
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MattBarry
United States4006 Posts
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Mensol
14536 Posts
best item atm and its going to be the first item for top players pretty soon, +50 armor and +50 mr is fucking nuts. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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Mensol
14536 Posts
 you'd be safe against both magic and physicial damage in lane, you also have 100% base health regeneration. also yes, it does give you the gold. its pretty much god tier item for top lane lol. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On January 29 2015 07:47 GolemMadness wrote: The % missing health is instant now instead of a DoT, so with attack speed runes the clear should be much faster. % missing health is only on the active now though. Even with 50% uptime, that's almost certainly still a nerf. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On January 29 2015 08:17 Mensol wrote: i think all match ups in top lane you'd be safe against both magic and physicial damage in lane, you also have 100% base health regeneration. also yes, it does give you the gold. its pretty much god tier item for top lane lol. If you're up against someone who only does one kind of damage, you're basically spending 2,800 gold for 1,000 gold worth of defensive stats and 270 gold worth of health regen. Banshee's, locket, sunfire and randuin's are all around the same price. I don't know how much the void spawns do since I've never actually seen someone build this, but the defensive stats are pretty damn bad for what you're paying. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On January 29 2015 08:21 red_ wrote: % missing health is only on the active now though. Even with 50% uptime, that's almost certainly still a nerf. With 0% CDR you have a 50% uptime on W. To give old W the maximum advantage, let's say it takes 10 seconds to kill a monster. With old rank 1 W, you would have done 15.33% of missing health over those 10 seconds. With new rank 1 W, you'll do around 16% missing health in 5 seconds (will be slightly more or slightly less depending on runes/masteries), plus you'll get an extra proc if you use Q, plus it scales better as you get more attack speed/CDR. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On January 29 2015 08:25 GolemMadness wrote: If you're up against someone who only does one kind of damage, you're basically spending 2,800 gold for 1,000 gold worth of defensive stats and 270 gold worth of health regen. Banshee's, locket, sunfire and randuin's are all around the same price. I don't know how much the void spawns do since I've never actually seen someone build this, but the defensive stats are pretty damn bad for what you're paying. Not to mention lack of health sort of hurts early on. Since health tends to be the safest and easiest defensive itemization early on, especially since giant's belt is built from ruby crystal. Though starting with half of zzrot, and finishing a core defensive item might be pretty good idea. Like getting negatron cloak into giant's belt, into funfire cloak, into zzrot might not be half bad. Or Negatron+catalyst, into righteous glory into zzrot. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On January 29 2015 08:33 GolemMadness wrote: With 0% CDR you have a 50% uptime on W. To give old W the maximum advantage, let's say it takes 10 seconds to kill a monster. With old rank 1 W, you would have done 15.33% of missing health over those 10 seconds. With new rank 1 W, you'll do around 16% missing health in 5 seconds (will be slightly more or slightly less depending on runes/masteries), plus you'll get an extra proc if you use Q, plus it scales better as you get more attack speed/CDR. So basically the damage from missing health will be pretty close, and the massive nerf to his other damage will mean he's clearing slower overall? Sounds like a nerf. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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