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Sonnington
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1107 Posts
January 29 2015 03:52 GMT
#201
How do you make Zz'rot work? When do you build it? Do you just build the defensive component you need and put a warmogs on top then finish it after warmogs? I can't see any other appropriate way to build that item.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35144 Posts
January 29 2015 04:00 GMT
#202
On January 29 2015 12:52 Sonnington wrote:
How do you make Zz'rot work? When do you build it? Do you just build the defensive component you need and put a warmogs on top then finish it after warmogs? I can't see any other appropriate way to build that item.

Statistically it's pretty similar to GA. Like banner of command, it's pretty much a "walk into lane, use active, go back to team and let it split push for you."
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-29 04:03:18
January 29 2015 04:03 GMT
#203
On January 29 2015 12:40 RaphaelSanzio wrote:
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On January 29 2015 11:14 obesechicken13 wrote:
Played 2 games of top lane Kalista. First game I couldn't trade with monkey because EQW meant he went invis.

Second game I was against a poppy. I swear I autoed him at least 30 times each back, but he got a frozen heart and it was hard to win lane. It feels like Kayle or Jayce top.


I'm also a bit bothered by the nerf to Fizz's Q if only because the only other point and click contact damage spell that doesn't deal damage if the enemy flashes away is Jayce's Q. (Excluding bugs). It's against the precedent. Jayce's Q is a weird case where I think Riot just didn't notice it broke the precedent, and left it that way from the start, but Fizz is different. Fizz was standard and then they made him nonstandard.


what's your rank?

Low.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
January 29 2015 04:04 GMT
#204
If Zz'rot gets really popular, lots of kids are going to get wrecked by Irelia in soloqueue, and if its good enough even in pros, because they'll want it for split pushing when there is fights.

lol.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
January 29 2015 04:13 GMT
#205
Zz'rot seems like something that only makes sense when you're already ahead and maybe it helps you win faster. Or maybe as like a 5th item on Mundo since the voidspawns get 100% of your armour/MR.
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obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
January 29 2015 04:17 GMT
#206
On January 29 2015 13:13 GolemMadness wrote:
Zz'rot seems like something that only makes sense when you're already ahead and maybe it helps you win faster. Or maybe as like a 5th item on Mundo since the voidspawns get 100% of your armour/MR.

I think it's only every 4th voidspawn now that gets the bonus from your armor/mr.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
January 29 2015 04:20 GMT
#207
On January 29 2015 13:17 obesechicken13 wrote:
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On January 29 2015 13:13 GolemMadness wrote:
Zz'rot seems like something that only makes sense when you're already ahead and maybe it helps you win faster. Or maybe as like a 5th item on Mundo since the voidspawns get 100% of your armour/MR.

I think it's only every 4th voidspawn now that gets the bonus from your armor/mr.


Yeah, that's true. I wonder about the AoE mitigation. According to the wiki, it has some, but the amount seems unknown.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
January 29 2015 04:20 GMT
#208
seems like it would be a good item on tank tops who suck at taking towers like Maokai mabye, grab it as a follow up to RoA mabye? idk imagine if it had stats that were good for vlad, ultimate in lane pressure who now takes towers fast? I guess in that sense it's workable on singed
Carrilord has arrived.
Sonnington
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1107 Posts
January 29 2015 04:31 GMT
#209
On January 29 2015 13:20 Slusher wrote:
seems like it would be a good item on tank tops who suck at taking towers like Maokai mabye, grab it as a follow up to RoA mabye? idk imagine if it had stats that were good for vlad, ultimate in lane pressure who now takes towers fast? I guess in that sense it's workable on singed

Yeah, it really seems like an item to build on top of a bunch of raw HP or it's kinda bad. Considering how cheap warmogs is, it doesn't seem like a bad idea to rush warmogs/defensive item into Zz'rott. In fact, with a component defensive item plus warmogs it probably offers more defense than other completed items in the 3200 price range range.
MattBarry
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4006 Posts
January 29 2015 04:38 GMT
#210
On January 29 2015 12:50 wei2coolman wrote:
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On January 29 2015 12:42 Mensol wrote:
Gotta love Cowsep. He's rank 260 on KR server and he's just playing jungle Master Yi.

fkn cancer champion, even top Koreans struggling against Yi's retardness.

Cowsep's mastery of Yi is pretty insane. It plays like a Zed, that you use the Q to dodge stuff, except it's on like a 1 second cooldown when you get the resets. Also, you can use the W to attack reset, it's pretty silly some of the stuff he does with that champion. A lot of the knowledge is adapting to your opponents cooldowns and stuff.

Yi is so obnoxious with Riot's hate boner for targetted cc. Feels like Liss is the only meta champ right now with targetted cc. Yi is one of those champions that I hate cause when he's picked late in the draft and you realize your team has little to no targetted cc, he becomes a nightmare to play against. It's not overpowered, but it's very annoying. Conversely, if you have a good targetted cc he just dies instantly.
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35144 Posts
January 29 2015 04:45 GMT
#211
On January 29 2015 13:38 MattBarry wrote:
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On January 29 2015 12:50 wei2coolman wrote:
On January 29 2015 12:42 Mensol wrote:
Gotta love Cowsep. He's rank 260 on KR server and he's just playing jungle Master Yi.

fkn cancer champion, even top Koreans struggling against Yi's retardness.

Cowsep's mastery of Yi is pretty insane. It plays like a Zed, that you use the Q to dodge stuff, except it's on like a 1 second cooldown when you get the resets. Also, you can use the W to attack reset, it's pretty silly some of the stuff he does with that champion. A lot of the knowledge is adapting to your opponents cooldowns and stuff.

Yi is so obnoxious with Riot's hate boner for targetted cc. Feels like Liss is the only meta champ right now with targetted cc. Yi is one of those champions that I hate cause when he's picked late in the draft and you realize your team has little to no targetted cc, he becomes a nightmare to play against. It's not overpowered, but it's very annoying. Conversely, if you have a good targetted cc he just dies instantly.

It also doesn't help that he's often immune to one of the cc types that hurt him the hardest.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
January 29 2015 05:15 GMT
#212
I wish that you could get bans in ARAM before champs are rolled.
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
Okazaki
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada29 Posts
January 29 2015 05:50 GMT
#213
On January 29 2015 13:38 MattBarry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2015 12:50 wei2coolman wrote:
On January 29 2015 12:42 Mensol wrote:
Gotta love Cowsep. He's rank 260 on KR server and he's just playing jungle Master Yi.

fkn cancer champion, even top Koreans struggling against Yi's retardness.

Cowsep's mastery of Yi is pretty insane. It plays like a Zed, that you use the Q to dodge stuff, except it's on like a 1 second cooldown when you get the resets. Also, you can use the W to attack reset, it's pretty silly some of the stuff he does with that champion. A lot of the knowledge is adapting to your opponents cooldowns and stuff.

Yi is so obnoxious with Riot's hate boner for targetted cc. Feels like Liss is the only meta champ right now with targetted cc. Yi is one of those champions that I hate cause when he's picked late in the draft and you realize your team has little to no targetted cc, he becomes a nightmare to play against. It's not overpowered, but it's very annoying. Conversely, if you have a good targetted cc he just dies instantly.


The solution to late pick yi is for your jungler to out pressure him and win all the lanes.
Nohiko
Profile Joined January 2015
71 Posts
January 29 2015 06:11 GMT
#214
I've been building Zz'Rot on top-lane sion a fair amount in soloq, I've found it fairly useful most of the time. One problem/quirk with the portal is that if you just drop it near the enemy tower (but still in front of the tower), a lot of the Voidlings' dps will be wasted on the enemy minion wave, since they prioritize minions over structures.

However, if you place the portal behind the tower (golems brush if your enemy is red side or drop it over the wall river->tri if your enemy is blue side) you actually get more tower dps. The voidlings can hold up the enemy minion wave solo and even though they can't kill the waves, they allow your minions to focus down the tower. This, in my experience, will kill a tower faster then just placing the portal in front of the tower. An added bonus of the golems-brush is that the portal can attack both top towers from that position.

This is of course assuming that you are just leaving your portal and making plays elsewhere. You can also use it to augment a siege (provided you have waveclear, see the minion priority problem) and get some decent tower dps out of it.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
January 29 2015 06:20 GMT
#215
Man, those akali nerfs are very noticeable. The E change is negligible if you dont suck and weave in autos into your combos, but man that ult range nerf hurts.

Maybe she was OP before, I dont know, but she feels awful to play right now. Everything just barely out of range. Lol.

On January 29 2015 14:50 Okazaki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2015 13:38 MattBarry wrote:
On January 29 2015 12:50 wei2coolman wrote:
On January 29 2015 12:42 Mensol wrote:
Gotta love Cowsep. He's rank 260 on KR server and he's just playing jungle Master Yi.

fkn cancer champion, even top Koreans struggling against Yi's retardness.

Cowsep's mastery of Yi is pretty insane. It plays like a Zed, that you use the Q to dodge stuff, except it's on like a 1 second cooldown when you get the resets. Also, you can use the W to attack reset, it's pretty silly some of the stuff he does with that champion. A lot of the knowledge is adapting to your opponents cooldowns and stuff.

Yi is so obnoxious with Riot's hate boner for targetted cc. Feels like Liss is the only meta champ right now with targetted cc. Yi is one of those champions that I hate cause when he's picked late in the draft and you realize your team has little to no targetted cc, he becomes a nightmare to play against. It's not overpowered, but it's very annoying. Conversely, if you have a good targetted cc he just dies instantly.


The solution to late pick yi is for your jungler to out pressure him and win all the lanes.


Yi doesn't even really have poor jungle pressure if he is picked into the right composition. When any of his laners have CC he can be quite scary.

Runs really fast, hits harder than most jungles, and can dive you easily with his ability to drop tower aggro with Q. He also is a jungle that is pretty healthy, which in itself nowadays puts out some pressure because you know you CAN be ganked at any time, even if you saw him through a ward with 10% HP. He also is much better than many junglers in 2v2 skirmish sort of situations.

Thats not to say Yi is OP, usually if he gets through late in the draft and you have no real stuns you kind of drafted poorly anyway and a number of champions could rickroll your team similarly (Fiora, Kass, Kat, Akali, KhaZix, Riven, Shaco, Yasuo... etc) but its not as simple as "oh, just gank harder than him" all the time.
niukasu1990
Profile Joined July 2012
1007 Posts
January 29 2015 06:37 GMT
#216
It seems that Faker will finally stream in Chinese streaming site.
this one is formed by PLU, which organized LPL.

http://star.longzhu.tv/faker

Don't know if Faker will joined a Chinese team or just stream from Korea.
It is more attractive for Chinese viewers to play in Chinese server
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
January 29 2015 06:59 GMT
#217
On January 29 2015 15:37 niukasu1990 wrote:
It seems that Faker will finally stream in Chinese streaming site.
this one is formed by PLU, which organized LPL.

http://star.longzhu.tv/faker

Don't know if Faker will joined a Chinese team or just stream from Korea.
It is more attractive for Chinese viewers to play in Chinese server

Thought kespa had a deal with azubu?
liftlift > tsm
niukasu1990
Profile Joined July 2012
1007 Posts
January 29 2015 07:24 GMT
#218
On January 29 2015 15:59 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2015 15:37 niukasu1990 wrote:
It seems that Faker will finally stream in Chinese streaming site.
this one is formed by PLU, which organized LPL.

http://star.longzhu.tv/faker

Don't know if Faker will joined a Chinese team or just stream from Korea.
It is more attractive for Chinese viewers to play in Chinese server

Thought kespa had a deal with azubu?


I thought that deal is about to end or negotiation between plu and azubu are done.

According to the source, not only streaming, but also a competition like Asian Championship or Battle of Pacific will be held at least include CN and KR teams.
It is also possible to include western teams.
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
January 29 2015 07:29 GMT
#219
So new Zz'Portal solo queue meta is pick Singed, rush Zz'Portal and proxy farm 24/7.
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Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
January 29 2015 08:09 GMT
#220
So I wasn't 100% sure on the changes to Ahri now that she lost DFG, but the Q movement speed thing is rediculous. So long as you are smart with how you poke and when to engage, you should never get caught unless it's some sort of insane engage (I'm talking Flash Tibbers or Lissa E + Flash + Ult levels of engage).
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