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On January 31 2015 17:30 101toss wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2015 17:26 GolemMadness wrote:
Nunu's win rate is higher than champions like Azir, Nidalee and Thresh. Mentioning his win rate is pretty meaningless. Those champions are also fucking terrible in terms of solo q
lol.Don't worry one day you will play vs a good one and enjoy the 1v5 action.Especially azir.Never seen a champion that can legit 1v5 after 2 items.
Sightstone is garbage on junglers in soloq unless you are nunu or lee sin.Sweeper is a must it doesn't matter if your enemies place no wards.You have to use it to check when you are moving through jungle or waiting in a bush.Even if you clear 2/3 wards per game sweeper is still superior on support by faaaaaaaaaaaaaar.
It is hard to ward enough if only 1 person is doing it.The problem in soloq is even if you ward it doesn't really mean anything because people still need to move correctly.
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also everyone nad their mother plays thresh and azir because they are popular but they are decently hard to play
pretty much only nunu mains are gonna play nunu
nidalee is just shitty as well as hard to play
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On January 31 2015 23:27 Sonnington wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2015 22:46 Gahlo wrote:On January 31 2015 20:58 kongoline wrote:
having no sweeper as a jungler is pretty big deal tho Keep in mind we're talking about soloq right now. Everything exists within your own tiered meta. I, for example, see 30min games go by where a ad/mid/top uses their trinket maybe 5 times. Vision removal doesn't have much value because it's like playing battleship where everything is PT boats, it's hard as hell to actually find anything and adding more vision yourself tends to provide more value. This is pretty much the reason I never change out my trinket as support. I can have 4 wards out at any given time and I can bait a sweep on my trinket ward. Another thing you have to keep in mind is: your allies can't tell you where someone's placed a ward if they see it happen. I don't agree that wards are overrated. I just got through playing a game where our support placed 12 wards in a 40 minute game. We basically couldn't move away from the tower or we'd run the risk of being flanked and we lost all map control. We eventually won, but we couldn't contest Baron or Dragon and it made the game a lot more frustrating to play.
You know what is more frustrating? Having 1 sweeper in team because people are "never changing their trinkets because they can bait sweeps".
Sometimes I really miss my season 2/3, I better have 0 gold and setup vision alone than wait for some miracle when mid is going to change his trinket 50 minutes in.
On January 31 2015 17:30 101toss wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2015 17:26 GolemMadness wrote:
Nunu's win rate is higher than champions like Azir, Nidalee and Thresh. Mentioning his win rate is pretty meaningless. Those champions are also fucking terrible in terms of solo q
Azir is fucking terrible in soloqueue? Sick, I could use it instead of getting oneshotted everytime.
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On January 31 2015 23:59 Slayer91 wrote:
nidalee is just shitty as well as hard to play
I don't understand this. Couple of months ago nidalee was considered op and oppressing, nothing changed on her, now she is low...and this happens to many champs..
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On February 01 2015 00:30 M2 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2015 23:59 Slayer91 wrote:
nidalee is just shitty as well as hard to play I don't understand this. Couple of months ago nidalee was considered op and oppressing, nothing changed on her, now she is low...and this happens to many champs..
literally every cat form skill was touched since then far from nothing changed. Not that I think she sucks, but she's without a doubt nerfed since then.
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She is strong problem is unlike a lot of champions you have to be really good at her to do what she is supposed to.
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What's with Nidalee jungle in the past day or so holy shit she's in like every game now.
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On February 01 2015 00:46 Ketara wrote:
What's with Nidalee jungle in the past day or so holy shit she's in like every game now.
The fact that the hunt passive hits monsters now means you can jungle with her. And TheOddOne got in a couple games on her and just wrecked people in solo Q (mainly due to tons of dmg. in the early game with spear into kitty form combo). And he still has a pretty sizable fan base and is one of the few jungler streamers (Nightblue being the other big, consistent jungle streamer).
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On February 01 2015 00:30 M2 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2015 23:59 Slayer91 wrote:
nidalee is just shitty as well as hard to play I don't understand this. Couple of months ago nidalee was considered op and oppressing, nothing changed on her, now she is low...and this happens to many champs..
well her early game is really strong against melees because cougar is retarded pre 6
people started playing her ap mid though so she just kinda sucks because her spears arent as good and sh's too squishy to go melee
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Woah.. I never said that wards were bad. Just said I don't think you need and no one actually uses the 14 wards before the ten minute mark to make buying sights tone be more gold efficient than just buying greens and upgrading your trinket ward.
Raptor camp also let's you clear wards as frequently as the clearing trinket does and you don't even have to put thought into which brush it's in.
If you can get away with smiting wraith on cd its just better than buying sights tone to buy greens till you can upgrade your trinket. You likely get the same number of wards, and an additional 400 gold and item slot.
You don't actually need to see their team to know it's not safe, if you know enough places where they aren't you have a pretty good idea of where they are. That's pretty much a ward at every river entrance and one deep hickey ward. That's achievable with trinkets and maybe one or extra ward. Certainly not the 8 required to break even on the sight stone.
It's like in BW, you see Zerg powering on lair tech and 4 gas geysers but no gas units but your scout dies before you see his exact buildings. You don't really need to see a spire to know that's the threat that's coming.
If I have ask the river warded and he's not in the top side jungle then he's in the bottom side jungle. Every ward after that is wasted gold. Its not Christmas, you don't get points for having the most lit up tree, you get points for knowing where the fuck they are.
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United States37500 Posts
On January 31 2015 22:28 Scip wrote:
I use every smite on Frog. Am I the only jungler who does this?
Considering your jungle style, I'm not surprised?
But I also prioritize Smiting Gromp and Rocks up to like level 7, then Raptors after that. AoE poison and sometimes the stun is pretty useful to have when jungling before you can buy your first Ruby/defensive item.
On February 01 2015 00:30 M2 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2015 23:59 Slayer91 wrote:
nidalee is just shitty as well as hard to play I don't understand this. Couple of months ago nidalee was considered op and oppressing, nothing changed on her, now she is low...and this happens to many champs..
Nidalee's fine in solo q imo. I see her all too much in the jungle this week.
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I actually smite Gromp a lot (usually when I don't plan on going to red jungle soon) but then I'm plat.
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I don't plan it. I need mana, smite blue, health red, vision control raptors. The others I feel are not terribly relevant after first clear.
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Canada10567 Posts
I would always trade out for sweeper on jungle/support. Jungle after 1st or 2nd clear because that way you can almost single handedly ensure other team is blind through wraith/sweeper, and support because sightstone exists.
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smite gromp if you want to clear raptor if you want to gank a warded area and smite wolves only in the enemy jungle
pretty simple wat
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Pretty much the thing you never smite is wolves.
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On February 01 2015 01:44 Slayer91 wrote:
protoss player sighted
Actually played Zerg, just I'm bad and only know the names of the actual buildings for Z off the top of my head. lol.
Just figured that would be better than "You dont have to see the weird looking building with the net on it and the other claw looking thingy building to know he can Reaver drop you" or "You dont have to see the weird ass building with the Flathead Screw in the top of it to know he is going to fuck your day up with Irradiate".
-.-
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yeah but who gets 4 gas and lair before getting a spire wtf
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On February 01 2015 00:46 Ketara wrote:
What's with Nidalee jungle in the past day or so holy shit she's in like every game now.
Yeah, it feels really stupid to me. I was thinking about banning it because no one knows how to play against it and then she just skewers everyone. I tried it with the rune page I saw someone using and could barely clear though, so I'm not really sure how it works as far as clearing goes (I did find one route that worked, but it was extremely slow).
On the other hand, if you just go around and screw with people in their jungle all her skills do a billion damage and its nearly impossible to get away from her. It seems like freeing her from a lane makes her stupidly oppressive because she can just pounce on half health targets and kill them almost instantly without worrying about landing spears or anything. And she can gank from lane stupid effectively with bushes. I still don't understand pounce because I swear to god I'm not marked and she still leaps directly on top of me even if it's a mile away.
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EPT
