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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 31 2015 17:55 GMT
#421
How do you build Nidalee now btw?

And she's only bad in teamfights Teut, AP Nid destroys people during skirmishes in the early-midgame, when they last long enough for her to move around and leave/reengage, and stuff like 2v2s or 3v3s in the jungle.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23460 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-31 18:09:58
January 31 2015 18:09 GMT
#422
only fi you get hit by spears

dunno i have reverse shaco syndrome with nidalee
my nidalee destroys the enemies but enemy team nidalees always seem useless to me
aka Teutonica
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
January 31 2015 18:13 GMT
#423
On February 01 2015 02:33 Slayer91 wrote:
yeah but who gets 4 gas and lair before getting a spire wtf


Not before, during. Used to be really popular years and years ago.

You could pop out like 8 mutas exactly the moment your spire pops and produce lings constantly to flood the map and create run-bys.

Kinda cheesy, but it was a legit thing before people / maps got figured out how to wall off consistantly, so people could just started doing hard timing attacks like 10 seconds before your spire would pop and you just kind of died.

I should stop talking I'm dating myself. lol.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23460 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-31 18:17:27
January 31 2015 18:17 GMT
#424
and then you realized you can just get 9 mutas instantly off 2 gas
tldr bad metaphor

just use phreaks all dude potential thing
count the number of dudes on the map, 5-that number is the number of dudes that can potentially be in any bush
depending on ward converage you can eliminate some areas of the map
aka Teutonica
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
January 31 2015 18:18 GMT
#425
On February 01 2015 02:28 Ketara wrote:
Pretty much the thing you never smite is wolves.


invade + wolf smite is really good actually
Carrilord has arrived.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-31 18:29:42
January 31 2015 18:28 GMT
#426
On February 01 2015 03:17 Slayer91 wrote:
and then you realized you can just get 9 mutas instantly off 2 gas
tldr bad metaphor

just use phreaks all dude potential thing
count the number of dudes on the map, 5-that number is the number of dudes that can potentially be in any bush
depending on ward converage you can eliminate some areas of the map


Holy shit, yeah you're right. Was thinking SCII style geysers, dont know why. My bad.

But yeah, that was my point. You can also further reduce that number depending on how much map awareness you have.

On February 01 2015 03:18 Slusher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 02:28 Ketara wrote:
Pretty much the thing you never smite is wolves.


invade + wolf smite is really good actually


Or you could just... ward it? Lasts longer.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23460 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-31 18:30:57
January 31 2015 18:30 GMT
#427
its still a valuable use of smite you can ward somewhere else you know
aka Teutonica
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
January 31 2015 18:32 GMT
#428
On February 01 2015 03:28 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 03:17 Slayer91 wrote:
and then you realized you can just get 9 mutas instantly off 2 gas
tldr bad metaphor

just use phreaks all dude potential thing
count the number of dudes on the map, 5-that number is the number of dudes that can potentially be in any bush
depending on ward converage you can eliminate some areas of the map


Holy shit, yeah you're right. Was thinking SCII style geysers, dont know why. My bad.

But yeah, that was my point. You can also further reduce that number depending on how much map awareness you have.

Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 03:18 Slusher wrote:
On February 01 2015 02:28 Ketara wrote:
Pretty much the thing you never smite is wolves.


invade + wolf smite is really good actually


Or you could just... ward it? Lasts longer.

Yeah but the spirit actively seeks champions that enter that side. It's pretty useful.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Prog
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom1470 Posts
January 31 2015 18:51 GMT
#429
The best situation for a wolf smite is when you are quite behind and have little control of your jungle, just because they cannot remove the vision you get.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 31 2015 18:54 GMT
#430
I picked Swain to goof around in a coop with low levels pals. Oh boy that "texture update", light pastel colours and smooth outlines don't suit him at all, you lose most of the "martial" air around him and all of the threatening feel of his bird form. x_x

Riot pls.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-31 19:11:50
January 31 2015 19:08 GMT
#431
Riot's update team's lack of nostalgia really bothers me, they always ditch my favorite lines

that said New Trist seems decent, overall nerfed but the bomb has hilarious damage potential not comparing her to old her, just to other ADs I think her only problem that might keep her from being top tier is the cast time on E, it feels like an eternity.

The way the jump mechanic works with the bomb it feels really weird that the bomb does not reset on kill, I imagine they probly tested it and deemed it op, but it doesn't stop it from feeling weird when you are in cleanup mode and you get your jump back but not the bomb.

idk just my thoughts after like 3 games only
Carrilord has arrived.
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
January 31 2015 19:19 GMT
#432
On February 01 2015 04:08 Slusher wrote:
Riot's update team's lack of nostalgia really bothers me, they always ditch my favorite lines

anyone remember this thing called the journal of justice?

neither do i
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
Sonnington
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1107 Posts
January 31 2015 19:27 GMT
#433
On February 01 2015 00:21 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2015 23:27 Sonnington wrote:
On January 31 2015 22:46 Gahlo wrote:
On January 31 2015 20:58 kongoline wrote:
having no sweeper as a jungler is pretty big deal tho

Keep in mind we're talking about soloq right now. Everything exists within your own tiered meta. I, for example, see 30min games go by where a ad/mid/top uses their trinket maybe 5 times. Vision removal doesn't have much value because it's like playing battleship where everything is PT boats, it's hard as hell to actually find anything and adding more vision yourself tends to provide more value.

This is pretty much the reason I never change out my trinket as support. I can have 4 wards out at any given time and I can bait a sweep on my trinket ward. Another thing you have to keep in mind is: your allies can't tell you where someone's placed a ward if they see it happen.

I don't agree that wards are overrated. I just got through playing a game where our support placed 12 wards in a 40 minute game. We basically couldn't move away from the tower or we'd run the risk of being flanked and we lost all map control. We eventually won, but we couldn't contest Baron or Dragon and it made the game a lot more frustrating to play.


You know what is more frustrating? Having 1 sweeper in team because people are "never changing their trinkets because they can bait sweeps".

Sometimes I really miss my season 2/3, I better have 0 gold and setup vision alone than wait for some miracle when mid is going to change his trinket 50 minutes in.

Wow, that's oddly specific. You'd prefer your support not warding at all to a support who wards? Or do you have some sort of vendetta directed at me? Can't help but notice you keep disparaging my posts in bizarre or simply wrong ways.

I miss season 3 too sometimes. I had way too much fun playing LeBlanc building DFG-Void-Oracle with a handful of wards and nothing else. Just sitting in a brush waiting to 100 to 0 anyone who came close. Then taking towers because of the increased death timers. People thought LB was strong in early season 4. Totally untrue, she was way stronger season 3 when mid game picks actually made a big difference.
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
January 31 2015 20:07 GMT
#434
On February 01 2015 04:27 Sonnington wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2015 00:21 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On January 31 2015 23:27 Sonnington wrote:
On January 31 2015 22:46 Gahlo wrote:
On January 31 2015 20:58 kongoline wrote:
having no sweeper as a jungler is pretty big deal tho

Keep in mind we're talking about soloq right now. Everything exists within your own tiered meta. I, for example, see 30min games go by where a ad/mid/top uses their trinket maybe 5 times. Vision removal doesn't have much value because it's like playing battleship where everything is PT boats, it's hard as hell to actually find anything and adding more vision yourself tends to provide more value.

This is pretty much the reason I never change out my trinket as support. I can have 4 wards out at any given time and I can bait a sweep on my trinket ward. Another thing you have to keep in mind is: your allies can't tell you where someone's placed a ward if they see it happen.

I don't agree that wards are overrated. I just got through playing a game where our support placed 12 wards in a 40 minute game. We basically couldn't move away from the tower or we'd run the risk of being flanked and we lost all map control. We eventually won, but we couldn't contest Baron or Dragon and it made the game a lot more frustrating to play.


You know what is more frustrating? Having 1 sweeper in team because people are "never changing their trinkets because they can bait sweeps".

Sometimes I really miss my season 2/3, I better have 0 gold and setup vision alone than wait for some miracle when mid is going to change his trinket 50 minutes in.

Wow, that's oddly specific. You'd prefer your support not warding at all to a support who wards? Or do you have some sort of vendetta directed at me? Can't help but notice you keep disparaging my posts in bizarre or simply wrong ways.

I miss season 3 too sometimes. I had way too much fun playing LeBlanc building DFG-Void-Oracle with a handful of wards and nothing else. Just sitting in a brush waiting to 100 to 0 anyone who came close. Then taking towers because of the increased death timers. People thought LB was strong in early season 4. Totally untrue, she was way stronger season 3 when mid game picks actually made a big difference.


I just don't get, what is problem of having sightstone and bunch of other wards in inventory with upgraded oracle asap instead of having useless trinket ward which forces you to pink all the time and spend way more money than you do on oracles.
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iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
January 31 2015 20:10 GMT
#435
TL: I challenge you all to the SWAIN CHALLENGE.

Its simple, make a custom game on Howling Abyss. Pick Swain. Dont skill any skills. Dont buy any items. No Runes, no summoners, no Masteries. Race too 100 CS.

Theoretically possible at ~915 to 930, as 101 minions spawn by the 9 minute mark. That said, I am awful and can only do it in like 1045 .
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
January 31 2015 20:27 GMT
#436
On January 31 2015 22:59 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2015 18:00 cLutZ wrote:
Nah. Thresh's winrate is explained by the fact that he has 1 really OP move that is only 10-50% effective in soloQ compared to competitive play. And he is balanced around the latter. Lee Sin and Shen, are historically similar.

I'd agree but I can't tell which move you're talking about. His pull/gap closing/hard cc, or his shield ally save mechanic..


Lantern. The pull is good, but approximately as good in Solo as in Competitive.
Freeeeeeedom
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
January 31 2015 21:55 GMT
#437
On January 31 2015 23:27 Sonnington wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2015 22:46 Gahlo wrote:
On January 31 2015 20:58 kongoline wrote:
having no sweeper as a jungler is pretty big deal tho

Keep in mind we're talking about soloq right now. Everything exists within your own tiered meta. I, for example, see 30min games go by where a ad/mid/top uses their trinket maybe 5 times. Vision removal doesn't have much value because it's like playing battleship where everything is PT boats, it's hard as hell to actually find anything and adding more vision yourself tends to provide more value.

This is pretty much the reason I never change out my trinket as support. I can have 4 wards out at any given time and I can bait a sweep on my trinket ward. Another thing you have to keep in mind is: your allies can't tell you where someone's placed a ward if they see it happen.

I don't agree that wards are overrated. I just got through playing a game where our support placed 12 wards in a 40 minute game. We basically couldn't move away from the tower or we'd run the risk of being flanked and we lost all map control. We eventually won, but we couldn't contest Baron or Dragon and it made the game a lot more frustrating to play.

Agreed. Greens are only overrated if people upgrade to T3 yellow and actively use them. Then I could see only buying pinks. But by that point, sweepers are worth getting so Greens become valuable to get anyway. It's all a matter of where your meta sits in the cycle.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
January 31 2015 22:31 GMT
#438
I try to prioritise smiting raptors, but I'll often just smite whatever I can. Since I mostly play Fiddle with ranger's right now, I don't smite gromp that often since the AoE is better elsewhere.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
January 31 2015 22:48 GMT
#439
On February 01 2015 05:10 iCanada wrote:
TL: I challenge you all to the SWAIN CHALLENGE.

Its simple, make a custom game on Howling Abyss. Pick Swain. Dont skill any skills. Dont buy any items. No Runes, no summoners, no Masteries. Race too 100 CS.

Theoretically possible at ~915 to 930, as 101 minions spawn by the 9 minute mark. That said, I am awful and can only do it in like 1045 .


Tyrant Swain allowed?
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
January 31 2015 23:38 GMT
#440
sejuani my new favourite jungler, might be the most underrated jungler right now shes great at shoving lanes, has decent pre 6 ganks, great jungle speed (after early lvls ;/), can jump over walls, provides engage, has good late game, everything i want from a jungler and the she isnt fotm like j4,lee or vi which my inner hipster loves
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