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GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
January 31 2015 08:26 GMT
#381
Nunu's win rate is higher than champions like Azir, Nidalee and Thresh. Mentioning his win rate is pretty meaningless.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-31 08:35:12
January 31 2015 08:30 GMT
#382
On January 31 2015 17:26 GolemMadness wrote:
Nunu's win rate is higher than champions like Azir, Nidalee and Thresh. Mentioning his win rate is pretty meaningless.

Those champions are also fucking terrible in terms of solo q
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-31 08:42:55
January 31 2015 08:38 GMT
#383
Thesh's winrate for example is easily explained by being the I hate support player's go-to
Carrilord has arrived.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
January 31 2015 09:00 GMT
#384
Nah. Thresh's winrate is explained by the fact that he has 1 really OP move that is only 10-50% effective in soloQ compared to competitive play. And he is balanced around the latter. Lee Sin and Shen, are historically similar.
Freeeeeeedom
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
January 31 2015 10:14 GMT
#385
So, trying out the whole Warmogs first big item while jungling trend I've seen. Amusing to, at times, back and go "What do I buy now?" and just plink 3 Ruby Crystals into my inventory.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-31 10:40:12
January 31 2015 10:39 GMT
#386
On January 31 2015 15:46 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2015 15:12 101toss wrote:
On January 31 2015 15:09 iCanada wrote:
On January 31 2015 13:51 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On January 31 2015 13:46 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
He has strong waveclear...by ulting the wave?


Don't spoil things, ffs..


With 40 CDR its up every 50seconds... You can literally ult every second wave.

Its not exactly reliable wave clear, but he still has it. Which is more than most Junglers can say. Let me know the next time you see a LeeSin/Jarvan/et.al clear a full wave in 1 second safely from a range.

I mean compared to Ziggs he has no waveclear at all.

On January 31 2015 13:53 Slusher wrote:
The other thing I really like about Nunu is unlike other jungles I feel like there is no cost benefit to buying a sightstone, on like Jarvan I feel like I"m giving something up but on Nunu I feel like, what else would I rush?


He really likes the Tanky CDR items a lot. You get huge mileage out of like Cowl/Glacial. You can also build Nunu pretty much however the hell you want. Pretty much only champ in the game that likes basically every stat in the game.

I've found I dont buy sightstone much anymore, that Green Trinket upgrade gets you about the same warding power as SS realistically given the 3 ward per champion cap, and with double smite / wraith buff you dont even really need the red trinket as a jungler. You save 550 gold to spend on other stuff (and greens till level 9). 550g/75g/w = 7.33 wards. You have to place eight wards in addition to your trinket wards before level nine to get to the point where you save money by buying sightstone. You also dont have to spend that 250 gold until the 10 minute mark when its kind of pocket change, and you get to keep your item slot.

Honestly, I dont place 8 wards in addition to trinket wards by level 9, and I ranked like top 10% in wards per game last season according to: http://wardscore.loltools.net/

Eight wards... Thats a fuckload of wards to place by the 10 minute mark when you typically hit level 10. Most Challenger players average ~12 wards per game INCLUDING the trinket wards. According to Elophant, the average challenger player world wide only puts up 5.3 wards in addition to trinket wards per game.

http://www.elophant.com/league-of-legends/charts/tier

Math says not buying sightstone gets you more combat stats and same number of wards at a time when each and every combat stat is worth the most. I think the extra armor/MR/whatever lets me snowball a little harder.


You don't need much more than the trinket ward if you have game sense and map awareness


Don't ever post something like this ever again.

Obviously map awareness and game sense can't replace wards, but I myself avoid buying green wards just because they are so expensive. Especially as a jungler you should buy a lot of pink wards, because you can usually place them better than other people, but I think relying just on your trinket to provide rest of the vision is fine. I definitely reccomend upgrading into the 60s ward trinket asap though, it's extremely cost efficient imo.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
January 31 2015 10:45 GMT
#387
On January 31 2015 19:39 Scip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2015 15:46 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On January 31 2015 15:12 101toss wrote:
On January 31 2015 15:09 iCanada wrote:
On January 31 2015 13:51 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On January 31 2015 13:46 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
He has strong waveclear...by ulting the wave?


Don't spoil things, ffs..


With 40 CDR its up every 50seconds... You can literally ult every second wave.

Its not exactly reliable wave clear, but he still has it. Which is more than most Junglers can say. Let me know the next time you see a LeeSin/Jarvan/et.al clear a full wave in 1 second safely from a range.

I mean compared to Ziggs he has no waveclear at all.

On January 31 2015 13:53 Slusher wrote:
The other thing I really like about Nunu is unlike other jungles I feel like there is no cost benefit to buying a sightstone, on like Jarvan I feel like I"m giving something up but on Nunu I feel like, what else would I rush?


He really likes the Tanky CDR items a lot. You get huge mileage out of like Cowl/Glacial. You can also build Nunu pretty much however the hell you want. Pretty much only champ in the game that likes basically every stat in the game.

I've found I dont buy sightstone much anymore, that Green Trinket upgrade gets you about the same warding power as SS realistically given the 3 ward per champion cap, and with double smite / wraith buff you dont even really need the red trinket as a jungler. You save 550 gold to spend on other stuff (and greens till level 9). 550g/75g/w = 7.33 wards. You have to place eight wards in addition to your trinket wards before level nine to get to the point where you save money by buying sightstone. You also dont have to spend that 250 gold until the 10 minute mark when its kind of pocket change, and you get to keep your item slot.

Honestly, I dont place 8 wards in addition to trinket wards by level 9, and I ranked like top 10% in wards per game last season according to: http://wardscore.loltools.net/

Eight wards... Thats a fuckload of wards to place by the 10 minute mark when you typically hit level 10. Most Challenger players average ~12 wards per game INCLUDING the trinket wards. According to Elophant, the average challenger player world wide only puts up 5.3 wards in addition to trinket wards per game.

http://www.elophant.com/league-of-legends/charts/tier

Math says not buying sightstone gets you more combat stats and same number of wards at a time when each and every combat stat is worth the most. I think the extra armor/MR/whatever lets me snowball a little harder.


You don't need much more than the trinket ward if you have game sense and map awareness


Don't ever post something like this ever again.

Obviously map awareness and game sense can't replace wards, but I myself avoid buying green wards just because they are so expensive. Especially as a jungler you should buy a lot of pink wards, because you can usually place them better than other people, but I think relying just on your trinket to provide rest of the vision is fine. I definitely reccomend upgrading into the 60s ward trinket asap though, it's extremely cost efficient imo.

I used to buy sightstone just about every game on just about every jungler and find myself ditching it for T3 Yellow more and more. Way too good for the cost.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
January 31 2015 11:02 GMT
#388
Passive Unique: Blocks 8 damage from single target attacks and spells from champions.


Since when does doran's shield block 8 damage from single target spells?
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
January 31 2015 11:07 GMT
#389
they changed it quite a bit ago, im curious if it works vs dots on every tick i could swear i did 0 dmg to malphite with doran shield as swain last time i played that matchup
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
January 31 2015 11:07 GMT
#390
On January 31 2015 20:02 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
Passive Unique: Blocks 8 damage from single target attacks and spells from champions.


Since when does doran's shield block 8 damage from single target spells?

4.20
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
January 31 2015 11:09 GMT
#391
Seems like they're missing more stuff in the patch notes recently. Too bad they waited until nobody plays Ryze anymore to change it.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23460 Posts
January 31 2015 11:28 GMT
#392
On January 31 2015 15:46 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2015 15:12 101toss wrote:
On January 31 2015 15:09 iCanada wrote:
On January 31 2015 13:51 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On January 31 2015 13:46 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
He has strong waveclear...by ulting the wave?


Don't spoil things, ffs..


With 40 CDR its up every 50seconds... You can literally ult every second wave.

Its not exactly reliable wave clear, but he still has it. Which is more than most Junglers can say. Let me know the next time you see a LeeSin/Jarvan/et.al clear a full wave in 1 second safely from a range.

I mean compared to Ziggs he has no waveclear at all.

On January 31 2015 13:53 Slusher wrote:
The other thing I really like about Nunu is unlike other jungles I feel like there is no cost benefit to buying a sightstone, on like Jarvan I feel like I"m giving something up but on Nunu I feel like, what else would I rush?


He really likes the Tanky CDR items a lot. You get huge mileage out of like Cowl/Glacial. You can also build Nunu pretty much however the hell you want. Pretty much only champ in the game that likes basically every stat in the game.

I've found I dont buy sightstone much anymore, that Green Trinket upgrade gets you about the same warding power as SS realistically given the 3 ward per champion cap, and with double smite / wraith buff you dont even really need the red trinket as a jungler. You save 550 gold to spend on other stuff (and greens till level 9). 550g/75g/w = 7.33 wards. You have to place eight wards in addition to your trinket wards before level nine to get to the point where you save money by buying sightstone. You also dont have to spend that 250 gold until the 10 minute mark when its kind of pocket change, and you get to keep your item slot.

Honestly, I dont place 8 wards in addition to trinket wards by level 9, and I ranked like top 10% in wards per game last season according to: http://wardscore.loltools.net/

Eight wards... Thats a fuckload of wards to place by the 10 minute mark when you typically hit level 10. Most Challenger players average ~12 wards per game INCLUDING the trinket wards. According to Elophant, the average challenger player world wide only puts up 5.3 wards in addition to trinket wards per game.

http://www.elophant.com/league-of-legends/charts/tier

Math says not buying sightstone gets you more combat stats and same number of wards at a time when each and every combat stat is worth the most. I think the extra armor/MR/whatever lets me snowball a little harder.


You don't need much more than the trinket ward if you have game sense and map awareness


Don't ever post something like this ever again.


you heard nrated
you dont need wards if you have brains
except around dragon and baron because they get too much power to bait fights around there
aka Teutonica
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
January 31 2015 11:58 GMT
#393
having no sweeper as a jungler is pretty big deal tho
AlterKot
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Poland7525 Posts
January 31 2015 12:48 GMT
#394
Just use every smite on raptors.
Americans don't like to use unblockables, it is considered not honest. You press a button at the wrong time and hit the other person, you are random, not a top player. You DP Sim's far fierce, it is random and not honest.
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-31 13:17:49
January 31 2015 13:17 GMT
#395
pretty sure most junglers already does this
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
January 31 2015 13:28 GMT
#396
I use every smite on Frog. Am I the only jungler who does this?
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
January 31 2015 13:46 GMT
#397
On January 31 2015 20:58 kongoline wrote:
having no sweeper as a jungler is pretty big deal tho

Keep in mind we're talking about soloq right now. Everything exists within your own tiered meta. I, for example, see 30min games go by where a ad/mid/top uses their trinket maybe 5 times. Vision removal doesn't have much value because it's like playing battleship where everything is PT boats, it's hard as hell to actually find anything and adding more vision yourself tends to provide more value.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
January 31 2015 13:59 GMT
#398
On January 31 2015 18:00 cLutZ wrote:
Nah. Thresh's winrate is explained by the fact that he has 1 really OP move that is only 10-50% effective in soloQ compared to competitive play. And he is balanced around the latter. Lee Sin and Shen, are historically similar.

I'd agree but I can't tell which move you're talking about. His pull/gap closing/hard cc, or his shield ally save mechanic..

On January 31 2015 19:14 Gahlo wrote:
So, trying out the whole Warmogs first big item while jungling trend I've seen. Amusing to, at times, back and go "What do I buy now?" and just plink 3 Ruby Crystals into my inventory.

Do they finish the jungle item first?
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
January 31 2015 14:03 GMT
#399
On January 31 2015 22:59 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2015 18:00 cLutZ wrote:
Nah. Thresh's winrate is explained by the fact that he has 1 really OP move that is only 10-50% effective in soloQ compared to competitive play. And he is balanced around the latter. Lee Sin and Shen, are historically similar.

I'd agree but I can't tell which move you're talking about. His pull/gap closing/hard cc, or his shield ally save mechanic..

Show nested quote +
On January 31 2015 19:14 Gahlo wrote:
So, trying out the whole Warmogs first big item while jungling trend I've seen. Amusing to, at times, back and go "What do I buy now?" and just plink 3 Ruby Crystals into my inventory.

Do they finish the jungle item first?

Yeah. I don't consider jungle items "big" and more "we fucked you over goldwise, so here's something we set up so it sucks when anybody but you buys it."
Sonnington
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1107 Posts
January 31 2015 14:27 GMT
#400
On January 31 2015 22:46 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2015 20:58 kongoline wrote:
having no sweeper as a jungler is pretty big deal tho

Keep in mind we're talking about soloq right now. Everything exists within your own tiered meta. I, for example, see 30min games go by where a ad/mid/top uses their trinket maybe 5 times. Vision removal doesn't have much value because it's like playing battleship where everything is PT boats, it's hard as hell to actually find anything and adding more vision yourself tends to provide more value.

This is pretty much the reason I never change out my trinket as support. I can have 4 wards out at any given time and I can bait a sweep on my trinket ward. Another thing you have to keep in mind is: your allies can't tell you where someone's placed a ward if they see it happen.

I don't agree that wards are overrated. I just got through playing a game where our support placed 12 wards in a 40 minute game. We basically couldn't move away from the tower or we'd run the risk of being flanked and we lost all map control. We eventually won, but we couldn't contest Baron or Dragon and it made the game a lot more frustrating to play.
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