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Nunu's win rate is higher than champions like Azir, Nidalee and Thresh. Mentioning his win rate is pretty meaningless.
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On January 31 2015 17:26 GolemMadness wrote:
Nunu's win rate is higher than champions like Azir, Nidalee and Thresh. Mentioning his win rate is pretty meaningless.
Those champions are also fucking terrible in terms of solo q
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Thesh's winrate for example is easily explained by being the I hate support player's go-to
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Nah. Thresh's winrate is explained by the fact that he has 1 really OP move that is only 10-50% effective in soloQ compared to competitive play. And he is balanced around the latter. Lee Sin and Shen, are historically similar.
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So, trying out the whole Warmogs first big item while jungling trend I've seen. Amusing to, at times, back and go "What do I buy now?" and just plink 3 Ruby Crystals into my inventory.
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On January 31 2015 15:46 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2015 15:12 101toss wrote:On January 31 2015 15:09 iCanada wrote:On January 31 2015 13:51 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On January 31 2015 13:46 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
He has strong waveclear...by ulting the wave? Don't spoil things, ffs.. With 40 CDR its up every 50seconds... You can literally ult every second wave. Its not exactly reliable wave clear, but he still has it. Which is more than most Junglers can say. Let me know the next time you see a LeeSin/Jarvan/et.al clear a full wave in 1 second safely from a range. I mean compared to Ziggs he has no waveclear at all. On January 31 2015 13:53 Slusher wrote:
The other thing I really like about Nunu is unlike other jungles I feel like there is no cost benefit to buying a sightstone, on like Jarvan I feel like I"m giving something up but on Nunu I feel like, what else would I rush? He really likes the Tanky CDR items a lot. You get huge mileage out of like Cowl/Glacial. You can also build Nunu pretty much however the hell you want. Pretty much only champ in the game that likes basically every stat in the game. I've found I dont buy sightstone much anymore, that Green Trinket upgrade gets you about the same warding power as SS realistically given the 3 ward per champion cap, and with double smite / wraith buff you dont even really need the red trinket as a jungler. You save 550 gold to spend on other stuff (and greens till level 9). 550g/75g/w = 7.33 wards. You have to place eight wards in addition to your trinket wards before level nine to get to the point where you save money by buying sightstone. You also dont have to spend that 250 gold until the 10 minute mark when its kind of pocket change, and you get to keep your item slot. Honestly, I dont place 8 wards in addition to trinket wards by level 9, and I ranked like top 10% in wards per game last season according to: http://wardscore.loltools.net/ Eight wards... Thats a fuckload of wards to place by the 10 minute mark when you typically hit level 10. Most Challenger players average ~12 wards per game INCLUDING the trinket wards. According to Elophant, the average challenger player world wide only puts up 5.3 wards in addition to trinket wards per game. http://www.elophant.com/league-of-legends/charts/tierMath says not buying sightstone gets you more combat stats and same number of wards at a time when each and every combat stat is worth the most. I think the extra armor/MR/whatever lets me snowball a little harder. You don't need much more than the trinket ward if you have game sense and map awareness Don't ever post something like this ever again.
Obviously map awareness and game sense can't replace wards, but I myself avoid buying green wards just because they are so expensive. Especially as a jungler you should buy a lot of pink wards, because you can usually place them better than other people, but I think relying just on your trinket to provide rest of the vision is fine. I definitely reccomend upgrading into the 60s ward trinket asap though, it's extremely cost efficient imo.
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On January 31 2015 19:39 Scip wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2015 15:46 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On January 31 2015 15:12 101toss wrote:On January 31 2015 15:09 iCanada wrote:On January 31 2015 13:51 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On January 31 2015 13:46 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
He has strong waveclear...by ulting the wave? Don't spoil things, ffs.. With 40 CDR its up every 50seconds... You can literally ult every second wave. Its not exactly reliable wave clear, but he still has it. Which is more than most Junglers can say. Let me know the next time you see a LeeSin/Jarvan/et.al clear a full wave in 1 second safely from a range. I mean compared to Ziggs he has no waveclear at all. On January 31 2015 13:53 Slusher wrote:
The other thing I really like about Nunu is unlike other jungles I feel like there is no cost benefit to buying a sightstone, on like Jarvan I feel like I"m giving something up but on Nunu I feel like, what else would I rush? He really likes the Tanky CDR items a lot. You get huge mileage out of like Cowl/Glacial. You can also build Nunu pretty much however the hell you want. Pretty much only champ in the game that likes basically every stat in the game. I've found I dont buy sightstone much anymore, that Green Trinket upgrade gets you about the same warding power as SS realistically given the 3 ward per champion cap, and with double smite / wraith buff you dont even really need the red trinket as a jungler. You save 550 gold to spend on other stuff (and greens till level 9). 550g/75g/w = 7.33 wards. You have to place eight wards in addition to your trinket wards before level nine to get to the point where you save money by buying sightstone. You also dont have to spend that 250 gold until the 10 minute mark when its kind of pocket change, and you get to keep your item slot. Honestly, I dont place 8 wards in addition to trinket wards by level 9, and I ranked like top 10% in wards per game last season according to: http://wardscore.loltools.net/ Eight wards... Thats a fuckload of wards to place by the 10 minute mark when you typically hit level 10. Most Challenger players average ~12 wards per game INCLUDING the trinket wards. According to Elophant, the average challenger player world wide only puts up 5.3 wards in addition to trinket wards per game. http://www.elophant.com/league-of-legends/charts/tierMath says not buying sightstone gets you more combat stats and same number of wards at a time when each and every combat stat is worth the most. I think the extra armor/MR/whatever lets me snowball a little harder. You don't need much more than the trinket ward if you have game sense and map awareness Don't ever post something like this ever again. Obviously map awareness and game sense can't replace wards, but I myself avoid buying green wards just because they are so expensive. Especially as a jungler you should buy a lot of pink wards, because you can usually place them better than other people, but I think relying just on your trinket to provide rest of the vision is fine. I definitely reccomend upgrading into the 60s ward trinket asap though, it's extremely cost efficient imo.
I used to buy sightstone just about every game on just about every jungler and find myself ditching it for T3 Yellow more and more. Way too good for the cost.
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Passive Unique: Blocks 8 damage from single target attacks and spells from champions.
Since when does doran's shield block 8 damage from single target spells?
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they changed it quite a bit ago, im curious if it works vs dots on every tick i could swear i did 0 dmg to malphite with doran shield as swain last time i played that matchup
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On January 31 2015 20:02 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +Passive Unique: Blocks 8 damage from single target attacks and spells from champions. Since when does doran's shield block 8 damage from single target spells?
4.20
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Seems like they're missing more stuff in the patch notes recently. Too bad they waited until nobody plays Ryze anymore to change it.
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On January 31 2015 15:46 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2015 15:12 101toss wrote:On January 31 2015 15:09 iCanada wrote:On January 31 2015 13:51 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On January 31 2015 13:46 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
He has strong waveclear...by ulting the wave? Don't spoil things, ffs.. With 40 CDR its up every 50seconds... You can literally ult every second wave. Its not exactly reliable wave clear, but he still has it. Which is more than most Junglers can say. Let me know the next time you see a LeeSin/Jarvan/et.al clear a full wave in 1 second safely from a range. I mean compared to Ziggs he has no waveclear at all. On January 31 2015 13:53 Slusher wrote:
The other thing I really like about Nunu is unlike other jungles I feel like there is no cost benefit to buying a sightstone, on like Jarvan I feel like I"m giving something up but on Nunu I feel like, what else would I rush? He really likes the Tanky CDR items a lot. You get huge mileage out of like Cowl/Glacial. You can also build Nunu pretty much however the hell you want. Pretty much only champ in the game that likes basically every stat in the game. I've found I dont buy sightstone much anymore, that Green Trinket upgrade gets you about the same warding power as SS realistically given the 3 ward per champion cap, and with double smite / wraith buff you dont even really need the red trinket as a jungler. You save 550 gold to spend on other stuff (and greens till level 9). 550g/75g/w = 7.33 wards. You have to place eight wards in addition to your trinket wards before level nine to get to the point where you save money by buying sightstone. You also dont have to spend that 250 gold until the 10 minute mark when its kind of pocket change, and you get to keep your item slot. Honestly, I dont place 8 wards in addition to trinket wards by level 9, and I ranked like top 10% in wards per game last season according to: http://wardscore.loltools.net/ Eight wards... Thats a fuckload of wards to place by the 10 minute mark when you typically hit level 10. Most Challenger players average ~12 wards per game INCLUDING the trinket wards. According to Elophant, the average challenger player world wide only puts up 5.3 wards in addition to trinket wards per game. http://www.elophant.com/league-of-legends/charts/tierMath says not buying sightstone gets you more combat stats and same number of wards at a time when each and every combat stat is worth the most. I think the extra armor/MR/whatever lets me snowball a little harder. You don't need much more than the trinket ward if you have game sense and map awareness Don't ever post something like this ever again.
you heard nrated
you dont need wards if you have brains
except around dragon and baron because they get too much power to bait fights around there
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having no sweeper as a jungler is pretty big deal tho
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Just use every smite on raptors.
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pretty sure most junglers already does this
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I use every smite on Frog. Am I the only jungler who does this?
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On January 31 2015 20:58 kongoline wrote:
having no sweeper as a jungler is pretty big deal tho
Keep in mind we're talking about soloq right now. Everything exists within your own tiered meta. I, for example, see 30min games go by where a ad/mid/top uses their trinket maybe 5 times. Vision removal doesn't have much value because it's like playing battleship where everything is PT boats, it's hard as hell to actually find anything and adding more vision yourself tends to provide more value.
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On January 31 2015 18:00 cLutZ wrote:
Nah. Thresh's winrate is explained by the fact that he has 1 really OP move that is only 10-50% effective in soloQ compared to competitive play. And he is balanced around the latter. Lee Sin and Shen, are historically similar.
I'd agree but I can't tell which move you're talking about. His pull/gap closing/hard cc, or his shield ally save mechanic..
On January 31 2015 19:14 Gahlo wrote:
So, trying out the whole Warmogs first big item while jungling trend I've seen. Amusing to, at times, back and go "What do I buy now?" and just plink 3 Ruby Crystals into my inventory.
Do they finish the jungle item first?
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On January 31 2015 22:59 obesechicken13 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2015 18:00 cLutZ wrote:
Nah. Thresh's winrate is explained by the fact that he has 1 really OP move that is only 10-50% effective in soloQ compared to competitive play. And he is balanced around the latter. Lee Sin and Shen, are historically similar. I'd agree but I can't tell which move you're talking about. His pull/gap closing/hard cc, or his shield ally save mechanic.. Show nested quote +On January 31 2015 19:14 Gahlo wrote:
So, trying out the whole Warmogs first big item while jungling trend I've seen. Amusing to, at times, back and go "What do I buy now?" and just plink 3 Ruby Crystals into my inventory. Do they finish the jungle item first?
Yeah. I don't consider jungle items "big" and more "we fucked you over goldwise, so here's something we set up so it sucks when anybody but you buys it."
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On January 31 2015 22:46 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2015 20:58 kongoline wrote:
having no sweeper as a jungler is pretty big deal tho Keep in mind we're talking about soloq right now. Everything exists within your own tiered meta. I, for example, see 30min games go by where a ad/mid/top uses their trinket maybe 5 times. Vision removal doesn't have much value because it's like playing battleship where everything is PT boats, it's hard as hell to actually find anything and adding more vision yourself tends to provide more value.
This is pretty much the reason I never change out my trinket as support. I can have 4 wards out at any given time and I can bait a sweep on my trinket ward. Another thing you have to keep in mind is: your allies can't tell you where someone's placed a ward if they see it happen.
I don't agree that wards are overrated. I just got through playing a game where our support placed 12 wards in a 40 minute game. We basically couldn't move away from the tower or we'd run the risk of being flanked and we lost all map control. We eventually won, but we couldn't contest Baron or Dragon and it made the game a lot more frustrating to play.
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