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On December 16 2014 12:51 JazzVortical wrote:
Can we go back to harshly criticising every move Riot makes, instead of arguing about statistical garbage?
Although, I like the new Void Portal item in theory. It got a buff on the PBE that gives bonus AD and AP based on your armour and magic resist when you are near the portal. In addition, if it goes though as is on PBE, it will be only the 2nd item currently in the game that gives both Armour and Magic Resist. Neat.
So, like how they buffed the jungle monsters and moved the spawn time to 2 minutes to make sure you won't get a leash ever? x)
Man Nautilus is gonna be even sadder. Any health increase is critical because it's health he'll have to take down with his shield down, eg. bare autoattacks tied for 2nd worst base AD in the game.
That would also destroy Scip's 6 camps clears where he ends up below 50 HP with a bunch of kiting involved.
Ganking without falling behind the duo lanes in terms of exp is bad guys, 'mkay?
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On December 16 2014 18:34 JazzVortical wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 16:46 wei2coolman wrote:On December 16 2014 16:35 JazzVortical wrote:On December 16 2014 16:00 wei2coolman wrote:On December 16 2014 15:40 JazzVortical wrote:On December 16 2014 15:14 739 wrote:
Well, yeah.
Morellonomicon
Recipe cost increased to 880 from 680
Total Cost increased to 2300g from 2100g
Escalated quickly :D And they increased hp amount of jungle monsters ? Goddamn. This needed to be done though, it never needed the price reduction in the first place. I didn't mind morello's cost tbh, the problem was there were no alternative at that pricepoint that is worth getting for most mages Because alternatives are costed more appropriately (Grail). 2100 is stupidly cheap. I would say the closest equivalent is mpen boots+haunting guise. What? How on earth are those two items an alternative to Morello? Neither occupy the same intended spot in your inventory (mana regen + CDR item) or fulfil the same role. I can't think of a single champ that would go for that item combination over Morello, except for like Rumble, and he isn't getting Morello anyway. The closest I can think of is Malz, and even then every single Malz I see goes for a mana item first. They aren't anywhere near alternatives.
You don't need morello or athene's on Malzahar. I generally just get two doran's.
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On December 16 2014 18:38 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 18:34 JazzVortical wrote:On December 16 2014 16:46 wei2coolman wrote:On December 16 2014 16:35 JazzVortical wrote:On December 16 2014 16:00 wei2coolman wrote:On December 16 2014 15:40 JazzVortical wrote:On December 16 2014 15:14 739 wrote:
Well, yeah.
Morellonomicon
Recipe cost increased to 880 from 680
Total Cost increased to 2300g from 2100g
Escalated quickly :D And they increased hp amount of jungle monsters ? Goddamn. This needed to be done though, it never needed the price reduction in the first place. I didn't mind morello's cost tbh, the problem was there were no alternative at that pricepoint that is worth getting for most mages Because alternatives are costed more appropriately (Grail). 2100 is stupidly cheap. I would say the closest equivalent is mpen boots+haunting guise. What? How on earth are those two items an alternative to Morello? Neither occupy the same intended spot in your inventory (mana regen + CDR item) or fulfil the same role. I can't think of a single champ that would go for that item combination over Morello, except for like Rumble, and he isn't getting Morello anyway. The closest I can think of is Malz, and even then every single Malz I see goes for a mana item first. They aren't anywhere near alternatives. You don't need morello or athene's on Malzahar. I generally just get two doran's.
I don't play him extensively, just commenting on when I see him. I always see Morello, Grail or RoA first.
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On December 16 2014 15:40 GolemMadness wrote:
Banner on Soraka is pretty great, especially if you have baron. Just sits back and wrecks the other team's tower while you heal it constantly.
And then the team has to offer a physical damage source as tribute because banner buff is ridic.
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On December 16 2014 18:35 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 12:51 JazzVortical wrote:
Can we go back to harshly criticising every move Riot makes, instead of arguing about statistical garbage?
Although, I like the new Void Portal item in theory. It got a buff on the PBE that gives bonus AD and AP based on your armour and magic resist when you are near the portal. In addition, if it goes though as is on PBE, it will be only the 2nd item currently in the game that gives both Armour and Magic Resist. Neat. So, like how they buffed the jungle monsters and moved the spawn time to 2 minutes to make sure you won't get a leash ever? x) Man Nautilus is gonna be even sadder. Any health increase is critical because it's health he'll have to take down with his shield down, eg. bare autoattacks tied for 2nd worst base AD in the game. That would also destroy Scip's 6 camps clears where he ends up below 50 HP with a bunch of kiting involved. Ganking without falling behind the duo lanes in terms of exp is bad guys, 'mkay?
They also increased machete damage so it is the same.
Don't really understand what they want to do with 2:00 spawn on camps though.
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On December 16 2014 21:00 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 18:35 Alaric wrote:On December 16 2014 12:51 JazzVortical wrote:
Can we go back to harshly criticising every move Riot makes, instead of arguing about statistical garbage?
Although, I like the new Void Portal item in theory. It got a buff on the PBE that gives bonus AD and AP based on your armour and magic resist when you are near the portal. In addition, if it goes though as is on PBE, it will be only the 2nd item currently in the game that gives both Armour and Magic Resist. Neat. So, like how they buffed the jungle monsters and moved the spawn time to 2 minutes to make sure you won't get a leash ever? x) Man Nautilus is gonna be even sadder. Any health increase is critical because it's health he'll have to take down with his shield down, eg. bare autoattacks tied for 2nd worst base AD in the game. That would also destroy Scip's 6 camps clears where he ends up below 50 HP with a bunch of kiting involved. Ganking without falling behind the duo lanes in terms of exp is bad guys, 'mkay? They also increased machete damage so it is the same. Don't really understand what they want to do with 2:00 spawn on camps though.
Probably it has to do with bot lane starting jungle instead of lane
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holy cow the new 3 winter skins are so good, instant buy for me w00t!
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On December 16 2014 21:14 M2 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 21:00 nafta wrote:On December 16 2014 18:35 Alaric wrote:On December 16 2014 12:51 JazzVortical wrote:
Can we go back to harshly criticising every move Riot makes, instead of arguing about statistical garbage?
Although, I like the new Void Portal item in theory. It got a buff on the PBE that gives bonus AD and AP based on your armour and magic resist when you are near the portal. In addition, if it goes though as is on PBE, it will be only the 2nd item currently in the game that gives both Armour and Magic Resist. Neat. So, like how they buffed the jungle monsters and moved the spawn time to 2 minutes to make sure you won't get a leash ever? x) Man Nautilus is gonna be even sadder. Any health increase is critical because it's health he'll have to take down with his shield down, eg. bare autoattacks tied for 2nd worst base AD in the game. That would also destroy Scip's 6 camps clears where he ends up below 50 HP with a bunch of kiting involved. Ganking without falling behind the duo lanes in terms of exp is bad guys, 'mkay? They also increased machete damage so it is the same. Don't really understand what they want to do with 2:00 spawn on camps though. Probably it has to do with bot lane starting jungle instead of lane
Yea but that fucks junglers when they could just fix that by making you get less xp from jungle camps if you don't have machete at lvl1.
Maokai doing raptors and tp to lane was broken as well but now with extra hp on raptors not sure if it will be still.
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Bearded Elder29904 Posts
Short question, are you still able to do the proper pulverize/headbutt combo with Alistar?
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Your confusion might be due to the fact that they removed the headbutt-AA combo.
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Bearded Elder29904 Posts
On December 16 2014 22:18 Simberto wrote:
Your confusion might be due to the fact that they removed the headbutt-AA combo.
Ah, right. I knew they've changed something but I've messed up. Thx for clarifying.
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Pretty much everything that I said needed to happen so that Double Smite wouldn't completely wreck things happened. This is good.
I need to take a crack at the PBE jungle, but I'm mildly concerned that the increased Machete damage may not properly offset the increased Health of camps.
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I'm more concerned that the increased machete damage isn't enough to combat camps spawn 6 seconds later and the health increase, pushing back early gank timings and making laning even safer.
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I miss machete giving % damage on hit, that was the shiet
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On December 16 2014 18:34 JazzVortical wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 16:46 wei2coolman wrote:On December 16 2014 16:35 JazzVortical wrote:On December 16 2014 16:00 wei2coolman wrote:On December 16 2014 15:40 JazzVortical wrote:On December 16 2014 15:14 739 wrote:
Well, yeah.
Morellonomicon
Recipe cost increased to 880 from 680
Total Cost increased to 2300g from 2100g
Escalated quickly :D And they increased hp amount of jungle monsters ? Goddamn. This needed to be done though, it never needed the price reduction in the first place. I didn't mind morello's cost tbh, the problem was there were no alternative at that pricepoint that is worth getting for most mages Because alternatives are costed more appropriately (Grail). 2100 is stupidly cheap. I would say the closest equivalent is mpen boots+haunting guise. What? How on earth are those two items an alternative to Morello? Neither occupy the same intended spot in your inventory (mana regen + CDR item) or fulfil the same role. I can't think of a single champ that would go for that item combination over Morello, except for like Rumble, and he isn't getting Morello anyway. The closest I can think of is Malz, and even then every single Malz I see goes for a mana item first. They aren't anywhere near alternatives.
Not so much alternative but another build that offers strong power spike for such low price
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That poro icon is a bit much. 65 wins between now and January 6th, that's like 3 wins a day, so 6 ARAMs a day assuming you play every single day?
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I suggest playing the game mode before assuming how it works.You summon the poro king at least 4/5 times in a game.
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Oh, right, I read "win" instead of "summon the poro king", makes more sense.
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On December 17 2014 01:12 Gahlo wrote:
I'm more concerned that the increased machete damage isn't enough to combat camps spawn 6 seconds later and the health increase, pushing back early gank timings and making laning even safer.
My first concern isn't gank timings but simple jungle feasibility. On paper +7 damage per second doesn't make up for adding 120 health or more to every large monster unless you currently take 17+ seconds to clear a camp. So it's going to take longer to clear camps, and that translate into more damage taken. Those two factors combined are going to shrink the viable jungle champion pool, especially for players who don't have a bajillion runes and rune pages to mega-optimize like I do.
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