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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On November 23 2014 03:44 PrinceXizor wrote: If you are at the point you are wanting to dive inhib turrets you are in position to control dragon until it auto wins for you. If your at that point then you have full baron control as well... which essentially did the same thing. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On November 23 2014 03:45 wei2coolman wrote: If your at that point then you have full baron control as well... which essentially did the same thing. that was why i said it was incredibly difficult to stop sieges. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On November 23 2014 03:47 PrinceXizor wrote: that was why i said it was incredibly difficult to stop sieges. Yeah, but why should i have to siege? Thats ridiculous, because probably 40 of the 120 champions actually are completely useless in those situations. The thing that compounds it, is the changes to the towers hurt the champions already hurt the most by mobility creep. Shyvana? Garen? Singed? Volibear? Xin? Darius? Nasus? Morde? Nunu? Malphite? Swain? Pantheon? Udyr? etc... These champions feel the shit out of these changes. Ironically, Riot wants to see more diversity, but hasn't balanced the game in a manner in which getting more diversity is a thing. If I dont have a dash or CC, I should be WAY more combat effective than someone who has both. Realistically, Kalista/Vayne hit as harder than Sivir/Quinn, and Yasuo/Zed can rofl 1v1 anyone in the game. The utility of being incredibly mobile and having CC doesn't give you combat deficincies compared to a champion that has none of those. I think thats stupid. But this is also a company that bitches about how hard the burden of range is... so lol. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
if your aim is to make sure you can dive inhib turrets with an advantage, then draft for that and it gets far easier. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
You cant even dive bots 1v3 at inhib before 20 minutes anymore. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On November 23 2014 04:55 cLutZ wrote: Oh PX, never change. You cant even dive bots 1v3 at inhib before 20 minutes anymore. try it with blitz or thresh next time then buddy. or literally any of the couple dozen champions that are great at forcing fights or juggling tower aggro maybe if its really that hard for your composition, plan ahead and buy an ohmwrecker. not even sure how you can possibly think that you can't dive the t3 anymore with any draft. | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On November 23 2014 04:35 iCanada wrote: But this is also a company that bitches about how hard the burden of range is... so lol. Well let's be fair what he said was that because melee champions have better base stats, ranged champions must kite in order to win fights. That being said, there are three changes which are going to shake things up a bit. 1) Per level advantages are smaller until the end game. This means that the stat advantage of melee champions is weaker at the points when it matters. 2) everyone can buy on demand CC now. The CC smite is a powerful slow on a short CD and once you get past 2200 gold you have no deficiencies because the jungle items are so efficient on the upgrades. 3) holy fuck CertainlyT can't make a reasonable champion to save his life. Edit: forgot to say that if you're having trouble sieging, buy banner of command. It's a fucking aegis which makes minions magic immune and out range turrets. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Celial
2602 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
Its not strategic diversity if you just make all the strategies from before awful... its just strategic shuffling. Its not even that I can't adapt, I just think its change for the sake of change. | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On November 23 2014 05:20 Celial wrote: iem just became interesting: hotshot vs saint vicious ARAM for 10k, sponsored by intel and hp Oh wow that's really cool it's gonna be like an official thing. | ||
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
The hype for saint vs hotshot is going to be real but let's be honest here we all know Saint will win that. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Fildun
Netherlands4124 Posts
On November 23 2014 04:55 cLutZ wrote: Oh PX, never change. You cant even dive bots 1v3 at inhib before 20 minutes anymore. In games that end up in long sieges the sieging team often has a lot of global gold. This gold can be used by the support or jungler to buy an Ohmwrecker or other such items, now that it gives decent stats as well. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
You can play him in any comp, he ganks well, he can deal with seiging, he can deal with counter jungling, he can counter jungle, AND he can control objectives like a mother fucker. Honestly, I'm calling it now... Trundle will make an impact this season. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
also in other news. Nothing makes me lol more than a silver 5 scrub in a normal game trying to call you out for "not grouping" in an empty lane who's inhib is down... Like why are they trying to talk shit when they can't even farm properly? | ||
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derc
France126 Posts
On November 23 2014 04:35 iCanada wrote: Yeah, but why should i have to siege? Thats ridiculous, because probably 40 of the 120 champions actually are completely useless in those situations. The thing that compounds it, is the changes to the towers hurt the champions already hurt the most by mobility creep. Shyvana? Garen? Singed? Volibear? Xin? Darius? Nasus? Morde? Nunu? Malphite? Swain? Pantheon? Udyr? etc... These champions feel the shit out of these changes. Ironically, Riot wants to see more diversity, but hasn't balanced the game in a manner in which getting more diversity is a thing. If I dont have a dash or CC, I should be WAY more combat effective than someone who has both. Realistically, Kalista/Vayne hit as harder than Sivir/Quinn, and Yasuo/Zed can rofl 1v1 anyone in the game. The utility of being incredibly mobile and having CC doesn't give you combat deficincies compared to a champion that has none of those. I think thats stupid. But this is also a company that bitches about how hard the burden of range is... so lol. I main xin, and this patch is even more ridiculous than the Feral Flare 's one. I literally 1v2 or 3 at then end of each game, even full stuffed champs. (well except when it was wukong warwick and malz + ignite) Those tower have 80% armor reduction, if you really wanna dive, do it with support or someone with more hp less armor that do not need to be close contact to ennemies. | ||
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TheHumanSensation
Canada1210 Posts
On November 23 2014 08:35 wei2coolman wrote: uhhhhh, I still have no idea how to kite out blue buff correctly as ADC in jungle. red buff is easy enough, but for whatever reason I'm fucking up the blue buff kite. What problem are you having with it? If you find it to be resetting on you while doing the invincible spot thing, try moving slightly closer. It should look like it keeps cancelling it's own auto-attack (if it's not even trying to AA you, then you're too far away). If you're getting this effect, but it just eventually resets anyway, I recommend saving your burst damage until the end and then executing it before it can do this. Rock buff or any kind of slow / dash lets you kite it in circles as an alternative. It's basically all about finding the right spot and being consistent about it. If you can do Red I'm sure you can do Blue. Maybe try it like 5 times in empty customs? | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On November 23 2014 07:37 krndandaman wrote: hotshot vs saint match seems fun but 10k seems like wayy too much money for it. do lcs players even get that much each for winning a split? Intel is fronting it, not Riot, so they don't care what it is compared to Riot salaries. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On November 23 2014 08:44 TheHumanSensation wrote: What problem are you having with it? If you find it to be resetting on you while doing the invincible spot thing, try moving slightly closer. It should look like it keeps cancelling it's own auto-attack (if it's not even trying to AA you, then you're too far away). If you're getting this effect, but it just eventually resets anyway, I recommend saving your burst damage until the end and then executing it before it can do this. Rock buff or any kind of slow / dash lets you kite it in circles as an alternative. Yeah, when I get to the invincible zone he tends to reset. With Red it doesn't happen nearly as much, or if it does he only resets partially before trying to after you again. Blue tends to full reset on me. | ||
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