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[Patch 4.11] Maokai Rework General Discussion - Page 26

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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
July 04 2014 14:39 GMT
#501
I mean even buying the Frozen Heart, it gives you 400 mana, considering that a single QW combo costs 120 and your ult drains 30 per second, it means when you'd get oom, you get an additional QW combo and can maintain your ult to wait for it (~6s so 300 mana total). Later in the game, throwing an additional sapling is enough to offset the rest.

One thing to take out of this is that despite people saying Maokai has good damage because of Sapling Toss' base, he has to refrain from using it because the spell offers to little for its cost (especially compared to the rest, since it only gives damage but it's hard to get the explosion on the key enemies and Q has a decent base for half the cd already, then you add its cc), which is part of why his damage is so low. Sapling Toss really doesn't bring much apart from scouting later in the game, sadly.
Also it's hard to get FH early now, as when I played a bit of Mao before the patch you could get Golem -> boots -> Locket and be set HP-wise, with 550 HP + the shield (something like 150+ at that point), then rush FH.
Now the new passive incites you to build some more HP before you move on to resistances, to make up for the 150 HP you lose (although if Golem works on itself then you only lose 100 HP compared to before I guess, so a Belt or 2 ruby would more or less make up for it?). Anyway, I wouldn't feel as comfortable going the same build (unless I go kindlegem after boots for the generic HP over the negatron).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
July 04 2014 15:14 GMT
#502
NA dead?
UnKooL
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1667 Posts
July 04 2014 15:17 GMT
#503
I login and instant diconnected from chat in client, and lol site doesn't work.
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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-04 16:31:10
July 04 2014 16:18 GMT
#504
On July 04 2014 19:48 1godless wrote:
Not to drag this discussion back towards free champs--but to drag it back to free champs--did anyone participate in the Mac Beta way back in the day? If you did you received something along the lines of 20 free champs, it was crazy! Are there any other ways to receive a free bundle of this magnitude anymore?


I played in the mac beta from day 1 and received nothing.

also, yes NA is in full bedshit mode for me also
Carrilord has arrived.
GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
July 04 2014 17:49 GMT
#505
I know mikael's is generally considered a shit item now but wouldn't that go pretty well with maokai's tank/peel role while providing him with enough mana for years?
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 04 2014 17:57 GMT
#506
On July 05 2014 02:49 GTPGlitch wrote:
I know mikael's is generally considered a shit item now but wouldn't that go pretty well with maokai's tank/peel role while providing him with enough mana for years?

mikaels still really good, just not first buy after sightstone. I can't believe they made it so fucking expensive though, really wish they just gave other support items the low gold costs, rather than make mikaels so expensive.
liftlift > tsm
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
July 04 2014 18:06 GMT
#507
Watching some Doom Bots on http://www.twitch.tv/skinspotlights while I eat, this shit looks pretty awesome actually.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-04 18:09:40
July 04 2014 18:08 GMT
#508
That looks so crazy lol.Can't believe I kinda want to play vs bots LOL.Why didnt riot change the ad items though?All of em play rush bt for some reason.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
July 04 2014 18:09 GMT
#509
We need to organize TL bot slayers teams.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
July 04 2014 18:11 GMT
#510
?
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
July 04 2014 18:12 GMT
#511
On July 05 2014 03:06 red_ wrote:
Watching some Doom Bots on http://www.twitch.tv/skinspotlights while I eat, this shit looks pretty awesome actually.

Karthus' Triangle of Pain looks hilarious.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
July 04 2014 18:13 GMT
#512
On July 05 2014 03:12 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2014 03:06 red_ wrote:
Watching some Doom Bots on http://www.twitch.tv/skinspotlights while I eat, this shit looks pretty awesome actually.

Karthus' Triangle of Pain looks hilarious.


Illuminati
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
July 04 2014 18:15 GMT
#513
I don't even know what is happening. There's randomly Anivia eggs and Hecarim ghosts and Icebound Gauntlet frozen zones and shit, on top of all the crazy skill alterations.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
July 04 2014 18:16 GMT
#514
The random garens in bushes is the best
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
July 04 2014 18:21 GMT
#515
Surprise Fiddle/Garen from where you don't have vision prob "worse".

On July 05 2014 02:57 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2014 02:49 GTPGlitch wrote:
I know mikael's is generally considered a shit item now but wouldn't that go pretty well with maokai's tank/peel role while providing him with enough mana for years?

mikaels still really good, just not first buy after sightstone. I can't believe they made it so fucking expensive though, really wish they just gave other support items the low gold costs, rather than make mikaels so expensive.

Crucible costs basically 800 more gold for 10% CDR (mp5 is ignorable because between chalice's own mp5 and mana font Riot managed to find the worst stat to slap on it). You'd think "well that a kindlegem a bit worse", but take it this way: Crucible's price was increased by 50% in exchange for 10% CDR. That's expensive as balls and while the item was already slot-ineffective and cost-ineffective, they made it barely more slot-effective while utterly destroying its slot effectiveness. You pay 1600 for 10% CDR and the active. You pay its previous price for the active, basically, and you happen to have a chalice lying in your inventory.

It's still good but it's not about the item itself, it's about the timing. It's considerably delayed unless you want to hurt your midgame (1600 gold is basically enough to get the active from your gold item, and they give you real stats/improvements for the cost too). Like Flare wasn't nerfed that much on paper, but because of how it delays your timing by 5 camps, so 2-3 minutes at best, which so happens to be right at the time you'd want to group and fight in pub games, making you have to choose between fighting with a weak item, or losing even more map presence and relinquishing the initiative to the enemy team, so that you can get stonger. Happening right as you start grouping it means a lot in terms of tempo/map control.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
July 04 2014 18:29 GMT
#516
On July 05 2014 03:15 red_ wrote:
I don't even know what is happening. There's randomly Anivia eggs and Hecarim ghosts and Icebound Gauntlet frozen zones and shit, on top of all the crazy skill alterations.

Jesus christ Ziggs is like his own bullet hell generator what is even going on
Bronze player stuck in platinum
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-04 18:33:40
July 04 2014 18:32 GMT
#517
On July 05 2014 03:29 Nos- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2014 03:15 red_ wrote:
I don't even know what is happening. There's randomly Anivia eggs and Hecarim ghosts and Icebound Gauntlet frozen zones and shit, on top of all the crazy skill alterations.

Jesus christ Ziggs is like his own bullet hell generator what is even going on


That Ziggs ult ROFL.

And Blitz has an always on Swain ult, and Cho has either Twitch or Eve stealth can't tell which yet. Edit: Apparently Akali bubble, didn't see the bubble circle a few times though, some visuals look crazy bugged.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
July 04 2014 18:32 GMT
#518
HOLY FUCK LUX PLS LOL WHAT IS GOING ON
Bronze player stuck in platinum
UnKooL
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1667 Posts
July 04 2014 18:41 GMT
#519
I don't think my laptop can run that mode...
LoL: UnKooL and SoloQFiendUnKooL, SC2: UnKooL
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
July 04 2014 18:43 GMT
#520
That lux.....
Porouscloud - NA LoL
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